Man, the existential crisis just keeps getting fueled huh? lol, but seriously no way. The way technology is advancing these days frightens the hell out of me. Everyone thought it was badass that the first guy to get a Neuralink was popping dudes in Counter Strike but that stuff scares the shit out of me. You don't know how much control the company actually has over that type of thing. Media like Ghost in the Shell and The Matrix exist for a reason I feel.
If you could, would you transfer your mind/brain into a robot body?
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I wouldn't really hesitate, a few dozen more years in a "prime" state of body sounds like a thrill. The only part of growing old that scares me is feeling my body slowly betray me, negating that sounds perfect even if my brain were to pass around the same time in human years.
I’m a devout hedonist, so prolly not. I like thinking about stuff and all, and art is pretty cool, but I’m mostly here for the food and sex. I kinda doubt what most folks think of as a “self” can really be isolated in the mind/brain anyway. My sense of self is generated by my experience of reality, and that’s a relationship between my mind/brain and my central nervous system. Swap that nervous system for something else and my experience of reality changes completely, and then who am I? Course I also kinda actually think I die every time I go to sleep, so tomorrow me might decide I wanna be hot and beat up robotanks like the Major. So long as I pass away before the heat death of the universe. Living forever scares the shit out of me.
No, I'd rather not.
If the technology was an actual option, and go Cyberpunk or Battle Angel Alita?
Depends on how it handles maintaining the mind. If anyone thinks and you test and see that you're starting to lose memory or things related to age, then that's the perfect time to switch over, and stop that. Or after some debilitating accident, where your quality of life is so low it's not worth keeping a body.
This also assumes chemicals and regulation of the brain can be maintained or done better than the aging body provided.
As for Would I? Hard to say. Maintenance costs may be prohibitive. But let's assume they aren't.
I don't know. Humans could live for a couple hundred years if their bodies are taken care of and they have the right minerals and chemicals in their bodies. So going from 60-70 yearold body to having another 100 years to live as a cyborg. But how i feel now and how i feel in 40 years are very different things.
1) Sleep apnea and other disorders would have to be able to be removed. I don't want to be tired as hell
2) Can't be too expensive
3) It has to give me a new lease on life other than surviving. If i'm going to be a cyborg, being able to do a task i couldn't do before and do it very well would be preferred, like welding in areas that are otherwise too dangerous for normal humans.
3b) Need to have meaning and/or be fun... and pain-free.
4) Probably include full-dive technology. Plugging into VR space and playing in skyrim or something so i can remember what flesh feels like.
5) I'll need to still have personal (and sexual) connections with people. Feeling like a brain in a box or not feeling either sensory or emotional feelings would be bad.
I'll consider it if it becomes an option.
100% yes.
We already live in a dystopian hellscape, might as well have some fun with it. Let me have a robot body and just vibe in a city covered in bright neon lights.
We already live in a dystopian hellscape, might as well have some fun with it. Let me have a robot body and just vibe in a city covered in bright neon lights.
Soma made me think about this a lot and ultimately I'd say no. If my brain was just copied over to a robot, what's the point? Even if you died the instant the transfer happened, you'd still be dead, the original you would cease to be. It would seem seamless to the robot you, but the you who is here right now would be gone forever. Your actual life wouldn't continue on, just a copy of it. So what would be the point? If you wanted to live forever you already failed, you're still going to die as a hunk of meat either as an old person or some other way, there will just be a copy of you running around and that copy of you will become someone entirely different when they start having their own experiences. The ending to Observer touches on this as well. Both great games.
If it was more of a soul transfer so you'd literally be transferred, I'd still have to say no. I'd only say yes if my loved ones would do so as well. I don't really care if I live forever, though it'd be cool to see more of our galaxy if we ever get that far.
If it was more of a soul transfer so you'd literally be transferred, I'd still have to say no. I'd only say yes if my loved ones would do so as well. I don't really care if I live forever, though it'd be cool to see more of our galaxy if we ever get that far.
This is what led to the events of Dune (in some way) and I think this could lead to a world where a small group of people wealthy enough to stay immortal could outlive us all.
I think life as it was meant to be should be respected, us humans should never play with life itself.
If humanity becomes immortal then we will no longer be human since we would have no more reasons to be.
I think life as it was meant to be should be respected, us humans should never play with life itself.
If humanity becomes immortal then we will no longer be human since we would have no more reasons to be.
What do you mean “lead to?”
Didn’t you get your draft papers for the Butlerian thing?
I'd rather just get some machine parts and be a cyborg, I think. Rather than a full robot.
Extending my life and living without pain in old age (not looking forward to that) would be great.
But eventually, I do want to die and be with the Lord. I would not want to be denied eternal afterlife.
Extending my life and living without pain in old age (not looking forward to that) would be great.
But eventually, I do want to die and be with the Lord. I would not want to be denied eternal afterlife.
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Okay, so having a world of only wealthy people would be pretty horrific, as most wealthy people are just dumb ultra-sheltered trust-fund babies drunkenly coasting on the statistical probability of success that comes with gargantuan amounts of money (all of which would dry up without a consumer base to circulate the economy). It would be a worse dystopia than we could imagine.
That said, humans have played with life plenty, and it has been for the better. We killed off polio, and now burying your children is an abnormal thing in the developed world. We made tons of other medical advancements as well, and people now live longer than they have in the past. You can argue that there are downsides to that (the gerontocracy isn't something that anyone seems to be happy with), but overall it is generally seen as an improvement.
Humans have always sought immortality, whether through the afterlife, fame, or magical/technological means. The human mind doesn't handle the concept of "you do not exist" that well, as existence is the default state of it. If we had it, most of us probably wouldn't be so bothered by it, as it would not change our default mental state.
If I'm like 87 and suffering from some type of disease or organ failure and have only months to live, yeah sure. Absolutely, I'm going in. While you're at it, make me look like this:
But real talk now (very personal opinion incoming):
I think life is the rarest and most precious thing in the universe. I find it extremely unfair that in a universe with trillions of worlds and billions of years old, we were given an intellect that rivals the vastness of the cosmos in terms of unlimited possibility and yet we only live for what amounts to basically a micro-second as far the universe is concerned.
It's not fair. If I could extend my life in 25, 50, 100, a thousand years... hell, I'd do it. No amount of doomer corpo science fiction dystopia bullshit would be able to deter me from having a little more of the most precious thing in the universe.
But real talk now (very personal opinion incoming):
I think life is the rarest and most precious thing in the universe. I find it extremely unfair that in a universe with trillions of worlds and billions of years old, we were given an intellect that rivals the vastness of the cosmos in terms of unlimited possibility and yet we only live for what amounts to basically a micro-second as far the universe is concerned.
It's not fair. If I could extend my life in 25, 50, 100, a thousand years... hell, I'd do it. No amount of doomer corpo science fiction dystopia bullshit would be able to deter me from having a little more of the most precious thing in the universe.
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Only if there is a guarantee that my current self is transferred and not simply a replica copy. I don't want to see my digital self get to enjoy an extended life while my true self dies, if that makes sense.
And even if that were guaranteed, I would only be comfortable if there were laws in place that ensured my protection in this new form. For example, if my "digital self" were stored in the cloud, what legal protections do I have that prevents the cloud host from removing me to free up storage, or remove me due to the company not having a profitable year and needing to reduce costs, or anything that could potentially either put my digital life in jeopardy or reduce my quality of life? For example, if my cloud storage provider decides to introduce 30 second ads that I cannot ignore throughout the day to gain some revenue or enforces a server shutdown after 9pm to 8am to reduce maintenance costs.
Not to sound too pessimistic, but you would very likely lose a lot of your human rights if we were to do such as procedure. The End User Agreement you would likely have to sign for such a procedure would likely ensure you would not have the same rights as you do in your human form.
And even if that were guaranteed, I would only be comfortable if there were laws in place that ensured my protection in this new form. For example, if my "digital self" were stored in the cloud, what legal protections do I have that prevents the cloud host from removing me to free up storage, or remove me due to the company not having a profitable year and needing to reduce costs, or anything that could potentially either put my digital life in jeopardy or reduce my quality of life? For example, if my cloud storage provider decides to introduce 30 second ads that I cannot ignore throughout the day to gain some revenue or enforces a server shutdown after 9pm to 8am to reduce maintenance costs.
Not to sound too pessimistic, but you would very likely lose a lot of your human rights if we were to do such as procedure. The End User Agreement you would likely have to sign for such a procedure would likely ensure you would not have the same rights as you do in your human form.
Alright, lots of interesting answers, I wish to add my two cents with this comment:
Great book writen by my favorite author, Isaac Asimov, and amazing adaptation by Robin Williams.
It tells the story of a robot that wishes to become man, and throught his entire existence he slowly becomes more man over time, but humanity never reconizes him as a man because deep down, he's still a machine, he can't age so he can't die, all of his organs still work perfectly over 200 years of age.
This is where things split since the book and the movie have different answers to this dillema, I'll start with the book. On the book, Andrew, our protagonist, is owned (before he buys his freedom) by a family of lawyers, so it is through them that he achives his rights as a thinking machine, but after completing 150 years of age he's still referenced as "The century and a half machine" which makes him upset, so for the next 50 years of his life he fights in the court system to oficialy be reconized as a man, but everything that he does only bounces back, so in a moment of bewilderment he asks his lawyer "Why haven't I been reconized as a man yet? I have all the characteristics that make me one!" and his lawyer just smiles at him, sadden at his questioning and responds "Oh Andrew... You are trying to rationalize humans, but we do things that even ourselfs don't have an aswer for" and in that moment, some switch flipped on his brain, he knew what he had to do. He disapears for a few weeks before returning to the lawyer's office looking pale and twitchy, she asks him what happened, Andrew responds "I went to a doctor's office and asked them to perform a surgery on my brain, I wished to kill some of the protonic connections to my brain, essentially poisoning it and slowlly killing me in the process..." He realized that the difference between him and man was his imortality, so he took away the thing that made him imortal, his unaging brain. A month passes and he's on his death bed and he receives a call from the supreme court (I don't know the goverment organ so I might be wrong) and they wish to congratulate him on his 200th birthday, as "The Bicentennial Man", he did it, he finally got legaly reconized as a human, and a day later, he passes away from the poisoning of his own brain.
This book is a lot to take in, especially since I skiped a lot of context to use the ending as an example, but I used it as to make a point: why would a machine tell us to fuck off for asking if it wants to be human? If that statement is true, then the inverse is also true, if a machine asks the question "If you could, would you transfer your mind into a flesh body?" I'm sure there will be a machine that'll answer "If you ask a human if it wants a robot body, it'd tell you to go fuck yourself." Why? Well it all comes down to a deep psychological matter, we always want the ideal since we reconize the limitations of our bodies, so a machine body would be perfect, no? We can't say for sure (yet), since there isn't a single human in a machine body, so our points on it are pure speculation, but I'll say that it most likely would not be that cool, for starters: Our bodies regenerate small wounds and such, a machine can't do that "Oh but nano machines" they are not miracle workers, our cells regenerate tissue by exchanging nutrients to make fleshy substitutes, what will you exchange to create a steel like substance to the wound on your robot body? "Oh my body won't be made out of metal, maybe some carbon ligament"... So like a human's? I don't know man, your version of immortality sounds like being human with extra steps.
This is a really hard concept to translate into words, hell I had to rewrite this post 4 times before reaching this point, but I can say that the answer in my head is a lot more cathartic than what I'm trying to write here, but I want to wrap this up with a final message: Don't devalue your bodies, let alone yourself. I saw many comments about people having disabilities and such, and for them I'm sorry, while I don't understand the desier to switch bodies, I can respect the decision to move on to a healthier alternative, and for the ones wanting to "be a anime girl"... You might have gender dysphoria, and if so, start doing therapy to figure somethings out, have a psychiatrist that you trust, and if everything points to being a trans woman, I hope your transition goes well. If you don't have gender dysphoria and still wishes to be a anime girl for the funsies, why? All these comments made me upset, not because of the varying levels of doomerisims, but because people are so fast to throw their well being away for a "quick fix" so let me tell you something, and you WILL listen to me! Love your body, love yourself, and love this world, it's far from perfect but you are here, WE are here, and we enjoy bits and pixels on a screen for fun, and sometimes like to talk about our own mortality, but ultimately we are here to live, the highs and the lows. My dad always said this "The same way all happiness is fleeting, no suffering is eternal."
Please take care of yourselfs, I love you
(and sorry for the long ass text)
Has anyone here ever read/watched The Bicentennial Man?
Great book writen by my favorite author, Isaac Asimov, and amazing adaptation by Robin Williams.
It tells the story of a robot that wishes to become man, and throught his entire existence he slowly becomes more man over time, but humanity never reconizes him as a man because deep down, he's still a machine, he can't age so he can't die, all of his organs still work perfectly over 200 years of age.
This is where things split since the book and the movie have different answers to this dillema, I'll start with the book. On the book, Andrew, our protagonist, is owned (before he buys his freedom) by a family of lawyers, so it is through them that he achives his rights as a thinking machine, but after completing 150 years of age he's still referenced as "The century and a half machine" which makes him upset, so for the next 50 years of his life he fights in the court system to oficialy be reconized as a man, but everything that he does only bounces back, so in a moment of bewilderment he asks his lawyer "Why haven't I been reconized as a man yet? I have all the characteristics that make me one!" and his lawyer just smiles at him, sadden at his questioning and responds "Oh Andrew... You are trying to rationalize humans, but we do things that even ourselfs don't have an aswer for" and in that moment, some switch flipped on his brain, he knew what he had to do. He disapears for a few weeks before returning to the lawyer's office looking pale and twitchy, she asks him what happened, Andrew responds "I went to a doctor's office and asked them to perform a surgery on my brain, I wished to kill some of the protonic connections to my brain, essentially poisoning it and slowlly killing me in the process..." He realized that the difference between him and man was his imortality, so he took away the thing that made him imortal, his unaging brain. A month passes and he's on his death bed and he receives a call from the supreme court (I don't know the goverment organ so I might be wrong) and they wish to congratulate him on his 200th birthday, as "The Bicentennial Man", he did it, he finally got legaly reconized as a human, and a day later, he passes away from the poisoning of his own brain.
This book is a lot to take in, especially since I skiped a lot of context to use the ending as an example, but I used it as to make a point: why would a machine tell us to fuck off for asking if it wants to be human? If that statement is true, then the inverse is also true, if a machine asks the question "If you could, would you transfer your mind into a flesh body?" I'm sure there will be a machine that'll answer "If you ask a human if it wants a robot body, it'd tell you to go fuck yourself." Why? Well it all comes down to a deep psychological matter, we always want the ideal since we reconize the limitations of our bodies, so a machine body would be perfect, no? We can't say for sure (yet), since there isn't a single human in a machine body, so our points on it are pure speculation, but I'll say that it most likely would not be that cool, for starters: Our bodies regenerate small wounds and such, a machine can't do that "Oh but nano machines" they are not miracle workers, our cells regenerate tissue by exchanging nutrients to make fleshy substitutes, what will you exchange to create a steel like substance to the wound on your robot body? "Oh my body won't be made out of metal, maybe some carbon ligament"... So like a human's? I don't know man, your version of immortality sounds like being human with extra steps.
This is a really hard concept to translate into words, hell I had to rewrite this post 4 times before reaching this point, but I can say that the answer in my head is a lot more cathartic than what I'm trying to write here, but I want to wrap this up with a final message: Don't devalue your bodies, let alone yourself. I saw many comments about people having disabilities and such, and for them I'm sorry, while I don't understand the desier to switch bodies, I can respect the decision to move on to a healthier alternative, and for the ones wanting to "be a anime girl"... You might have gender dysphoria, and if so, start doing therapy to figure somethings out, have a psychiatrist that you trust, and if everything points to being a trans woman, I hope your transition goes well. If you don't have gender dysphoria and still wishes to be a anime girl for the funsies, why? All these comments made me upset, not because of the varying levels of doomerisims, but because people are so fast to throw their well being away for a "quick fix" so let me tell you something, and you WILL listen to me! Love your body, love yourself, and love this world, it's far from perfect but you are here, WE are here, and we enjoy bits and pixels on a screen for fun, and sometimes like to talk about our own mortality, but ultimately we are here to live, the highs and the lows. My dad always said this "The same way all happiness is fleeting, no suffering is eternal."
Please take care of yourselfs, I love you
(and sorry for the long ass text)
Alright, lots of interesting answers, I wish to add my two cents with this comment:
Has anyone here ever read/watched The Bicentennial Man?
Great book writen by my favorite author, Isaac Asimov, and amazing adaptation by Robin Williams.
It tells the story of a robot that wishes to become man, and throught his entire existence he slowly becomes more man over time, but humanity never reconizes him as a man because deep down, he's still a machine, he can't age so he can't die, all of his organs still work perfectly over 200 years of age.
This is where things split since the book and the movie have different answers to this dillema, I'll start with the book. On the book, Andrew, our protagonist, is owned (before he buys his freedom) by a family of lawyers, so it is through them that he achives his rights as a thinking machine, but after completing 150 years of age he's still referenced as "The century and a half machine" which makes him upset, so for the next 50 years of his life he fights in the court system to oficialy be reconized as a man, but everything that he does only bounces back, so in a moment of bewilderment he asks his lawyer "Why haven't I been reconized as a man yet? I have all the characteristics that make me one!" and his lawyer just smiles at him, sadden at his questioning and responds "Oh Andrew... You are trying to rationalize humans, but we do things that even ourselfs don't have an aswer for" and in that moment, some switch flipped on his brain, he knew what he had to do. He disapears for a few weeks before returning to the lawyer's office looking pale and twitchy, she asks him what happened, Andrew responds "I went to a doctor's office and asked them to perform a surgery on my brain, I wished to kill some of the protonic connections to my brain, essentially poisoning it and slowlly killing me in the process..." He realized that the difference between him and man was his imortality, so he took away the thing that made him imortal, his unaging brain. A month passes and he's on his death bed and he receives a call from the supreme court (I don't know the goverment organ so I might be wrong) and they wish to congratulate him on his 200th birthday, as "The Bicentennial Man", he did it, he finally got legaly reconized as a human, and a day later, he passes away from the poisoning of his own brain.
This book is a lot to take in, especially since I skiped a lot of context to use the ending as an example, but I used it as to make a point: why would a machine tell us to fuck off for asking if it wants to be human? If that statement is true, then the inverse is also true, if a machine asks the question "If you could, would you transfer your mind into a flesh body?" I'm sure there will be a machine that'll answer "If you ask a human if it wants a robot body, it'd tell you to go fuck yourself." Why? Well it all comes down to a deep psychological matter, we always want the ideal since we reconize the limitations of our bodies, so a machine body would be perfect, no? We can't say for sure (yet), since there isn't a single human in a machine body, so our points on it are pure speculation, but I'll say that it most likely would not be that cool, for starters: Our bodies regenerate small wounds and such, a machine can't do that "Oh but nano machines" they are not miracle workers, our cells regenerate tissue by exchanging nutrients to make fleshy substitutes, what will you exchange to create a steel like substance to the wound on your robot body? "Oh my body won't be made out of metal, maybe some carbon ligament"... So like a human's? I don't know man, your version of immortality sounds like being human with extra steps.
This is a really hard concept to translate into words, hell I had to rewrite this post 4 times before reaching this point, but I can say that the answer in my head is a lot more cathartic than what I'm trying to write here, but I want to wrap this up with a final message: Don't devalue your bodies, let alone yourself. I saw many comments about people having disabilities and such, and for them I'm sorry, while I don't understand the desier to switch bodies, I can respect the decision to move on to a healthier alternative, and for the ones wanting to "be a anime girl"... You might have gender dysphoria, and if so, start doing therapy to figure somethings out, have a psychiatrist that you trust, and if everything points to being a trans woman, I hope your transition goes well. If you don't have gender dysphoria and still wishes to be a anime girl for the funsies, why? All these comments made me upset, not because of the varying levels of doomerisims, but because people are so fast to throw their well being away for a "quick fix" so let me tell you something, and you WILL listen to me! Love your body, love yourself, and love this world, it's far from perfect but you are here, WE are here, and we enjoy bits and pixels on a screen for fun, and sometimes like to talk about our own mortality, but ultimately we are here to live, the highs and the lows. My dad always said this "The same way all happiness is fleeting, no suffering is eternal."
Please take care of yourselfs, I love you
Bold of you to assume I'm capable of feeling anything other than all-consuming emptiness.
Aight, fuck you too then.
I love robots quite a lot, and I think about this kind of thing a lot. I would never, but for a number of reasons that pertain to like, our technofeudalitic clusterfu-- uh, frick world.
If you get a robot body, that body will need to come for somewhere. It'll have patented parts made especially by so and so company, and eventually when that company goes out of business you'll have to find bootleg replacement parts or crumble. I've seen this happen with a brain something-or-other that prevents seizures. The people who relied on that part will now have to just have seizures forever. This isn't even mentioning the fact that you gotta AFFORD all that stuff. I can imagine the parts being made like iphones where they're built to wear out faster.
Also, your relationship to your body would change. Your voice might change, your height would change, the weight distribution would be all off, you have to take into account things like temperature sensing and pressure and all that... I can imagine a disconnect. Your body is a part of you. If you don't feel pain the same way, your sense memory might get all messed up and how you interface with the world would change drastically.
Wow, how depressing ^^" It's different if you're disabled, also the eternal urge to become a hot anime girl makes me smile (slides estrogen over the table) but the main issue with going full robot is the corporate greed. Somebody on the net once said "don't complain to me about your implant when they start putting your memories behind paywalls". In a perfect world however I can see robotics being used for better things. To specify, this is about going full robot and not like, getting a disability aid device like a leg or arm. Full consciousness in the tin can type beat.
If you get a robot body, that body will need to come for somewhere. It'll have patented parts made especially by so and so company, and eventually when that company goes out of business you'll have to find bootleg replacement parts or crumble. I've seen this happen with a brain something-or-other that prevents seizures. The people who relied on that part will now have to just have seizures forever. This isn't even mentioning the fact that you gotta AFFORD all that stuff. I can imagine the parts being made like iphones where they're built to wear out faster.
Also, your relationship to your body would change. Your voice might change, your height would change, the weight distribution would be all off, you have to take into account things like temperature sensing and pressure and all that... I can imagine a disconnect. Your body is a part of you. If you don't feel pain the same way, your sense memory might get all messed up and how you interface with the world would change drastically.
Wow, how depressing ^^" It's different if you're disabled, also the eternal urge to become a hot anime girl makes me smile (slides estrogen over the table) but the main issue with going full robot is the corporate greed. Somebody on the net once said "don't complain to me about your implant when they start putting your memories behind paywalls". In a perfect world however I can see robotics being used for better things. To specify, this is about going full robot and not like, getting a disability aid device like a leg or arm. Full consciousness in the tin can type beat.
Huh? What did I do?
I would, assuming I could service the synthetic body myself, and that my mind wouldn't be tampered with during the transfer.
Like the 2005 movie Robots
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Discarding the outdated robots its kinda like discarding underprivileged people. That scared me a lot as a kid. Hey, didn't Cars 2 frame the Lemons as evil disabled guys? They can't help that they were made like that! Now I'm going down the rabbit hole.I remember the cute lil' webcomic Space Boy and probably a buncha classic Tezuka comics also covered the subject, but more leaning towards the dysphoria aspects.
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