Ideal Nation to Settle Down ?

[ThatOneLum]

Isle of man UK its a tax free haven and every summer theres a massive motorbike race in may which would be the busiest week of the year. As im from Northern Ireland it would be very possible. The cats there have no tails. Manx cat.

Manx cats are the best cats. Look at this little guy:

 

[Retro Doomer]

I just get real tired of hearing my countrymen bitch about my country. Its not perfect sure but there are way worse places to live. Especially for some of these folks that hate it so.

Im used to it, and half of its called for to an extent. Its just the lowest fruit punching bag out there when there are absolutely insane alternates.

Honestly what really gets me is even when given the rails to be positive and expressive? Folks still choose negativity. Dunno, just not my cup of tea.

Yeah some people just hate there own Nation for some reason.I get that they dislike certain Policies or a Current leader,but that doesn't erase the Positive History a Country has,and some people like to point at the bad and Horrible history of a Nation completely Ignoring that no Nation has a Saint like History.I suppose those people just have very personally and Mental problems and are projecting it with hatred for there own Nation,as they probably dislike themselves.People should be reminded its not bad to love your Nation (The Nature/Culture/History) and even if the USA is a young Nation it still has a Rich and Interesting History that is worth being proud of.Like the Abolishing of Slavery and many Inventions.I know the US practiced Slavery but every People did at one point in History and they also Did Abolish it by themselves without being Forced from outside.

 

[Akiba]

Yeah some people just hate there own Nation for some reason.I get that they dislike certain Policies or a Current leader,but that doesn't erase the Positive History a Country has,and some people like to point at the bad and Horrible history of a Nation completely Ignoring that no Nation has a Saint like History.I suppose those people just have very personally and Mental problems and are projecting it with hatred for there own Nation,as they probably dislike themselves.People should be reminded its not bad to love your Nation (The Nature/Culture/History) and even if the USA is a young Nation it still has a Rich and Interesting History that is worth being proud of.Like the Abolishing of Slavery and many Inventions.I know the US practiced Slavery but every People did at one point in History and they also Did Abolish it by themselves without being Forced from outside.

Thank you. One who is able to see past the current landscape and take history into account objectively while holding it to the standards of others at the time.

Youre right, nationalism and patriotism isnt bad, it can make an economy and nation prosper. Its a shame that I always find myself one of the few every saying the phrase "My countrymen". Cause its like so much of that has been thrown out. And most folks have absolutely heel turned on the US just because of the last 10 or 11 years majorly. 15 at most.

Folks forget how every nation grieved for us after 9/11.....I do understand how that wore off as we went into a war we never should have been in for....20 years that screwed up our youth and nation but, regardless. America was at one point looked at highly and as a front runner, maybe not the best but certainly respectable.

However its like the more the net has come into our lives and people naturally turn more cynical, depressed and jaded, they would just rather take shots at it rather then come at it with a level head.
Personally, I dont think anyone should sell out their country so easy but eh, touch subject and Im getting off track of the main point of thread. My apologies.

Manx cats are the best cats. Look at this little guy:
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[Ikagura Ikagura]

I meant by Social degeneration the raising Egoism/Nihilism and the raising Drug use of Medical Drugs and Illegal once.Wich leads to less trust Safety and Social Coherence,and the breakdown of Family structure also helped a lot by alienating many people from the broader Society.

I could agree about egoism and nihilism but medical drugs to help people shouldn't be forbidden because the context is different from someone using them for recreational use only.

If you had a chronic disease that makes your life a pain you wouldn't say no to that kind of relief.

As for the family structure breakdown the nuclear family isn't the only existing model, we have a lot of monoparental, same gender and even families where the caretakers aren't the direct family or by guardians.

I don't think that a single mother would alienate people in society.

Japan is a country where they don't give you a gift when you do a good thing, like a dog, they just assume that's the correct behaviour. What they do is they punish you when you do a bad thing, which is the right behaviour in my humble opinion. If we get used or educate our children to get things when they behave good, they will always behave bad to get what they want. It's an horrible western type of education.

I'm sorry but getting rewarded for a good action wouldn't encourage people from doing good things? It's the idea behind that kind of education.


The issue is that this whole "if you do well then it's good if you make a single mistake we'll blame you all the time" is basically why some people in the gaming industry got fired even if they made their companies making millions, that'd be horrible if employees are working hard without any form of retribution but will get kicked out even for a small mistake (which humans do naturally).

The kids that behave bad normally get denied from any reward.

I just get real tired of hearing my countrymen bitch about my country. Its not perfect sure but there are way worse places to live. Especially for some of these folks that hate it so.

Agreed, they don't know that people can have it worse...

Yeah some people just hate there own Nation for some reason.I get that they dislike certain Policies or a Current leader,but that doesn't erase the Positive History a Country has,and some people like to point at the bad and Horrible history of a Nation completely Ignoring that no Nation has a Saint like History.I suppose those people just have very personally and Mental problems and are projecting it with hatred for there own Nation,as they probably dislike themselves.People should be reminded its not bad to love your Nation (The Nature/Culture/History) and even if the USA is a young Nation it still has a Rich and Interesting History that is worth being proud of.Like the Abolishing of Slavery and many Inventions.I know the US practiced Slavery but every People did at one point in History and they also Did Abolish it by themselves without being Forced from outside.

Sorry but nobody should forget the bad side of History simply because those who forget history are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Abolishment of slavery was a good step yet the country was also the first to profit from it because without them they couldn't have built the country. It's not because "everyone also did" that it should excuse anything. I also see that this wasn't the first country to abolish it (permanently).

Youre right, nationalism and patriotism isnt bad.

No, nationalism is actually harmful to the country and its people. Patriotism isn't exactly the same thing and is healthier at least.

 

[Retro Doomer]

I could agree about egoism and nihilism but medical drugs to help people shouldn't be forbidden because the context is different from someone using them for recreational use only.

If you had a chronic disease that makes your life a pain you wouldn't say no to that kind of relief.

As for the family structure breakdown the nuclear family isn't the only existing model, we have a lot of monoparental, same gender and even families where the caretakers aren't the direct family or by guardians.

I don't think that a single mother would alienate people in society.


I'm sorry but getting rewarded for a good action wouldn't encourage people from doing good things? It's the idea behind that kind of education.


The issue is that this whole "if you do well then it's good if you make a single mistake we'll blame you all the time" is basically why some people in the gaming industry got fired even if they made their companies making millions, that'd be horrible if employees are working hard without any form of retribution but will get kicked out even for a small mistake (which humans do naturally).

The kids that behave bad normally get denied from any reward.

Agreed, they don't know that people can have it worse...

With Medical Drugs I meant the Overuse of such as many do nowadays and even more people get subscribed ? those Drugs more and more especially against Depression wich is bad.I am not against using Legal Drugs if needed of course.
In Forms of Family Structure I am a Christian After all and have my Own Idea on that,but I am not forcing anyone to adapt that.
And coming from a Single Parent Household I can say its not good my Mother is a Good Woman that did everything she could but a Mother can't replace a Father and vise versa.A strong Father is needed for a Boy especially in his rebellious Teenage years where he doesn't listen to his Mother anymore,there is a Strong and Powerful Father needed.
And the Traditional Family Worked for Centuries regardless of Culture and Religion and proven to work,so why change it now especially as we can see the outcome of abolishing it.I could go farther into that but I stop before I get to political on that.

 

[nobitakun]

Yeah some people just hate there own Nation for some reason.I get that they dislike certain Policies or a Current leader,but that doesn't erase the Positive History a Country has,and some people like to point at the bad and Horrible history of a Nation completely Ignoring that no Nation has a Saint like History.I suppose those people just have very personally and Mental problems and are projecting it with hatred for there own Nation,as they probably dislike themselves.People should be reminded its not bad to love your Nation (The Nature/Culture/History) and even if the USA is a young Nation it still has a Rich and Interesting History that is worth being proud of.Like the Abolishing of Slavery and many Inventions.I know the US practiced Slavery but every People did at one point in History and they also Did Abolish it by themselves without being Forced from outside.

It's not about hating, it's about knowing it too well. Every country has its own flaws and own good things, but when you are born in a country that does not fit you then you only see negative stuff because, specially when you are young, you can't escape easily, so it's like a punishement. That aggravates with the time until you have the resources to flee to another place that suits better.

What makes me crazy is people who state that the best country is the one you were born, because reasons. That's far from reality, and only applies to "patriotism", which I feel is another cancer in this society.

I'm sorry but getting rewarded for a good action wouldn't encourage people from doing good things? It's the idea behind that kind of education.

The issue is that this whole "if you do well then it's good if you make a single mistake we'll blame you all the time" is basically why some people in the gaming industry got fired even if they made their companies making millions, that'd be horrible if employees are working hard without any form of retribution but will get kicked out even for a small mistake (which humans do naturally).

The kids that behave bad normally get denied from any reward.

Agreed, they don't know that people can have it worse...

Not exactly. Little kids are usually highly cruel little life beings without any remorse or mercy, just because their brains are not adults and they don't measure the reach of their deeds. The good side is that they have very little impact in society because they are "controlled" by adults.

But they can be clever, and if they want something they will do whatever it takes to get it. If they know they are going to get things from behaving correctly, it means they have to behave bad first, so they will get the attention of their parents, who will promise them some "big" reward in exchange of their good behaviour.

When they get what they want, pretending they are behaving correctly, they will know that works, and will repeteadly do it until the judgement day. It's a win-win, if parents don't give them any prize for good behaviour, they will get used to behave correctly as they will be punished if they don't do.

The difference here is the perception the kids have when they do good or bad. Simple scenario would be if they do good, they get things, if they do bad they get scolded. The change of the mood from their parents is what makes them go from one side to the other. In other words, it's like a roller coaster. Then, you're raising people who will probably expect to be praised and when they are adults they will behave that way, and if they don't get what they want they will start bitching around, adult way.

But if they get nothing from behaving correctly they will feel that's the "normal thing to do". And if they behave bad, that will have big consequences.

I don't know how to explain it more clearly, because that's what I got from a psychologist woman.

It could seem awkward, but it is proven to work. The issue is that parents were not educated that way, and it's like a disease that transmits generation over generation.

And by the way, the issue about workers that get fired is cultural perception. Each country has their own issues regarding working culture. For instance, in my country, the law protects you even if you're a retard doing your work. Laws were made for benefit of lazy people, and I really don't understand how people can still complain when a new law is made that takes some of their "wellbeing". Lazy people will always be lazy, and the only thing they will work hard for is to be able to continue being lazy.

Many other laws were created here for other purposes, always for the benefit of people who do not deserve it, so I don't know which example is worse.

 

[Retro Doomer]

It's not about hating, it's about knowing it too well. Every country has its own flaws and own good things, but when you are born in a country that does not fit you then you only see negative stuff because, specially when you are young, you can't escape easily, so it's like a punishement. That aggravates with the time until you have the resources to flee to another place that suits better.

What makes me crazy is people who state that the best country is the one you were born, because reasons. That's far from reality, and only applies to "patriotism", which I feel is another cancer in this society.

Not exactly. Little kids are usually highly cruel little life beings without any remorse or mercy, just because their brains are not adults and they don't measure the reach of their deeds. The good side is that they have very little impact in society because they are "controlled" by adults.

But they can be clever, and if they want something they will do whatever it takes to get it. If they know they are going to get things from behaving correctly, it means they have to behave bad first, so they will get the attention of their parents, who will promise them some "big" reward in exchange of their good behaviour.

When they get what they want, pretending they are behaving correctly, they will know that works, and will repeteadly do it until the judgement day. It's a win-win, if parents don't give them any prize for good behaviour, they will get used to behave correctly as they will be punished if they don't do.

The difference here is the perception the kids have when they do good or bad. Simple scenario would be if they do good, they get things, if they do bad they get scolded. The change of the mood from their parents is what makes them go from one side to the other. In other words, it's like a roller coaster. Then, you're raising people who will probably expect to be praised and when they are adults they will behave that way, and if they don't get what they want they will start bitching around, adult way.

But if they get nothing from behaving correctly they will feel that's the "normal thing to do". And if they behave bad, that will have big consequences.

I don't know how to explain it more clearly, because that's what I got from a psychologist woman.

It could seem awkward, but it is proven to work. The issue is that parents were not educated that way, and it's like a disease that transmits generation over generation.

And by the way, the issue about workers that get fired is cultural perception. Each country has their own issues regarding working culture. For instance, in my country, the law protects you even if you're a retard doing your work. Laws were made for benefit of lazy people, and I really don't understand how people can still complain when a new law is made that takes some of their "wellbeing". Lazy people will always be lazy, and the only thing they will work hard for is to be able to continue being lazy.

Many other laws were created here for other purposes, always for the benefit of people who do not deserve it, so I don't know which example is worse.

Thinking you are Born in the Best Country of the World is not Patriotism its Chauvinism there is a difference. Patriotism is simply the love for once Nation and nothing more.And I think when you feel you don't belong to a Place can be because of the larger societal problems and Alienation and less because of the Nation you are born in.I believe that today's Society is at fault here as it was less a Problem back then,but Social Coherence and Kinship greatly decreased in Western Nations wich leads to a Feeling of Isolation and none Belonging and you start to look to nations and People that have a greater Kinship and Societal Coherence like Japan and you yearn for it making you even more frustrated being stuck in a Egoistical Culture.Every Country has problems of course but hating the Country you are born in is not Natural and has broader Societal causes in my Opinion.

 

[nobitakun]

Thinking you are Born in the Best Country of the World is not Patriotism its Chauvinism there is a difference. Patriotism is simply the love for once Nation and nothing more.And I think when you feel you don't belong to a Place can be because of the larger societal problems and Alienation and less because of the Nation you are born in.I believe that today's Society is at fault here as it was less a Problem back then,but Social Coherence and Kinship greatly decreased in Western Nations wich leads to a Feeling of Isolation and none Belonging and you start to look to nations and People that have a greater Kinship and Societal Coherence like Japan and you yearn for it making you even more frustrated being stuck in a Egoistical Culture.Every Country has problems of course but hating the Country you are born in is not Natural and has broader Societal causes in my Opinion.

Yeha, that's why I used quotes to the word "patriotism". Being a patriot to any country is neither good nor bad. I consider it more bad than good because I feel patriotism cares about the country, protecting it over all things, because reasons. Chauvinism is just a worse connotation of Nationalism, which considers someone's country better than the rest, again, because reasons.

Hating is also a bad feeling nobody should experience, because it only brings negative emotions. I never said I hated my country, but there are many things being done incorrectly. But sure, like in any other country.

What you're telling me is that, whether I am born in a country that is summer all year along it's not natural that I despise hot weather. The problem is mine, because I didn't adapt myself to the summer.

Everyone is different, and there are people who like to go to the beach and other to go to the mountain. In my country getting tanned means getting beautiful, but for me getting tanned is getting skin cancer and uglyness. My opinion is the whiter the better. Who's right? it depends what you are: patriot, nationalist or chauvinist.

Anybody has the right to dislike its own country, as well as their own parents, if they are crappy. Thinking otherwise means being "closed minded".

 

[job32]

Nations were created to seperate people of the same stock and create division amongst them. Divide and conquer. They are doing that now inside these nations, rich & poor, left & right, male & female, straight & lgbtq, black & white, etc, ad nauseum.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Nations were created to seperate people of the same stock and create division amongst them.

And because of natural barriers such as mountains, seas and even rivers.

And because of our tribal way of living before.

They are doing that now inside these nations, rich & poor, left & right, male & female, straight & lgbtq, black & white, etc, ad nauseum.

Discrimination and segregation happened before, not just now.

Chauvinism is just a worse connotation of Nationalism, which considers someone's country better than the rest, again, because reasons.

Chauvinism is really one of the worst things to do. I think it was from a french guy in the 19th century.

What you're telling me is that, whether I am born in a country that is summer all year along it's not natural that I despise hot weather. The problem is mine, because I didn't adapt myself to the summer.

I'd argue that we screwed up the environment so we're not always adapted to it.

Everyone is different, and there are people who like to go to the beach and other to go to the mountain. In my country getting tanned means getting beautiful, but for me getting tanned is getting skin cancer and uglyness. My opinion is the whiter the better. Who's right? it depends what you are: patriot, nationalist or chauvinist.

Clear skin was a sign of being rich long ago. Same with being overweight when people couldn't eat properly.

 

[nobitakun]

Clear skin was a sign of being rich long ago. Same with being overweight when people couldn't eat properly.

Yeah, but by society standards, which means nothing to me, and should mean nothing to anybody that isn't a sheep.

In my country is also normal for girls to have ear lobes pierced for some reason, but that's unnatural for me, I wouldn't want that for my children at all, like baptize, because I have no right to do that to a life being without their consent, and even if they are too young to understand nobody has the right to decide it for them. They will do when they grow up.

Everyone has their own likes which are absolutely not bound to their idea regarding their country, and should not interfere at all in their decissions.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Yeah, but by society standards, which means nothing to me, and should mean nothing to anybody that isn't a sheep.

Sorry but if you live in a certain society you'd be expected to respect and understand its rules.

And no, things like being polite or respectful don't mean being a sheep. It's not because you go against the current that you're systematically going towards the right direction, that's why laws are there.

In my country is also normal for girls to have ear lobes pierced for some reason, but that's unnatural for me, I wouldn't want that for my children at all, like baptize, because I have no right to do that to a life being without their consent, and even if they are too young to understand nobody has the right to decide it for them. They will do when they grow up.

I'm also sorry but "unnatural" is a moot point when the Internet, your computer and even your house are not natural either. They're all man-made.

Piercings existed since the dawn of humanity (like tattoos). If your children are adults they're allowed to do that at the end of the day. It's their bodies after all.

I would agree about baptism but it's more of a cultural thing.

 

[Akiba]

Jesus Christo yallre still at it....

Its a thread about where you want to retire not arguing the philosophical nature of a nation and the human condition. Some of yall must be a fuckin riot at parties

 

[nobitakun]

Sorry but if you live in a certain society you'd be expected to respect and understand its rules.

And no, things like being polite or respectful don't mean being a sheep. It's not because you go against the current that you're systematically going towards the right direction, that's why laws are there.


I'm also sorry but "unnatural" is a moot point when the Internet, your computer and even your house are not natural either. They're all man-made.

Piercings existed since the dawn of humanity (like tattoos). If your children are adults they're allowed to do that at the end of the day. It's their bodies after all.

I would agree about baptism but it's more of a cultural thing.

You're confusing rules with cognitive society standards. Rules are for people to "respect" other people, and they are made by law. Standards are fixed by society but are not rules, so if everyone wants to go black to a mourning and you want to go dark brown, you go dark brown. If everyone thinks you should go to the beach, marry and have kids and you don't want, you just don't. If you have enough personality, you will never succumb to anything that society tells you have to do. That's what I meant.

Jesus Christo yallre still at it....

Its a thread about where you want to retire not arguing the philosophical nature of a nation and the human condition. Some of yall must be a fuckin riot at parties

I haven't started it, but you're right. I am kind of a riot at parties, I find boring parties where nothing happens, just people eating, talking and dancing :(

 

[Retro Doomer]

I promise I am not getting political also a few drinks later....the Thread.
Anyway lets focus on the Ideal Nation.As this is not a Political Thread and nobody is convincing here anyone anyway.Just know I am right and people disagreeing with me are wrong ;). This was a Joke,
Anyway in a Perfect World with no Problems so Ignoring all the shit that is happening my Ideal Nations to settle down would be in Order.
1.Germany
2.America
3.Ireland or France
4.Japan
5.Switzerland
6.Sweden
7.Canada
8.Greek
9.Spain
10.Argentina Maybe
those would be my top 10 but in a perfect World completely Ignoring all and any Political Landscape otherwise.
1.America
2.Japan
3.Switzerland
4.Hungary
5.Poland

 

[nobitakun]

I promise I am not getting political also a few drinks later....the Thread.
Anyway lets focus on the Ideal Nation.As this is not a Political Thread and nobody is convincing here anyone anyway.Just know I am right and people disagreeing with me are wrong ;). This was a Joke,
Anyway in a Perfect World with no Problems so Ignoring all the shit that is happening my Ideal Nations to settle down would be in Order.
1.Germany
2.America
3.Ireland or France
4.Japan
5.Switzerland
6.Sweden
7.Canada
8.Greek
9.Spain
10.Argentina Maybe
those would be my top 10 but in a perfect World completely Ignoring all and any Political Landscape otherwise.
1.America
2.Japan
3.Switzerland
4.Hungary
5.Poland

Your world is very different from mine :)

I suggest you take a look at the Global Peace Index in order to find the safest countries in the world, by objective statistics. Hint: US isn't even in the top 50.

Safest Countries in the World 2025

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[Retro Doomer]

Your world is very different from mine :)

I suggest you take a look at the Global Peace Index in order to find the safest countries in the world, by objective statistics. Hint: US isn't even in the top 50.

Safest Countries in the World 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

Each there own and I know the US is not very save but than it also depends on wich State and City we are Talking About there a very save places in the US.I planned on Moving more into Idaho or Montana those are pretty save.And I Believe with a First and Second amendment I would feel allot saver than now where I am living where only Criminals own Guns and Police Officers that follow every Order.But that is just me.

 

[kamille]

Without falling into politics what war? Where? When? And why?

And let's be honest, if any kind of nuclear warfare may happen there's virtually nowhere safe unless you have a bunker deep below the ground (or underwater).

I'm not going to talk about it here since its not allowed here and there are probably people from the country that will start the war here. no more mention of it.

 

[nobitakun]

Each there own and I know the US is not very save but than it also depends on wich State and City we are Talking About there a very save places in the US.I planned on Moving more into Idaho or Montana those are pretty save.And I Believe with a First and Second amendment I would feel allot saver than now where I am living where only Criminals own Guns and Police Officers that follow every Order.But that is just me.

I guess so. You better go where nobody can own a gun, only police :)

 

[Retro Doomer]

I guess so. You better go where nobody can own a gun, only police :)

For my savety reasons I don't comment on that.just one do you trust your goverment and the people enforcing there will and gun laws never stopped criminals from owning them.As they don't follow laws in the first place.I end it here as i don't enjoy the same freedom regarding expression than people in the US

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I end it here as i don't enjoy the same freedom regarding expression than people in the US.

Even if in the USA there's freedom of speech there are still rules made by sites since they're private.

 

[Retro Doomer]

I guess so. You better go where nobody can own a gun, only police :)

For my savety reasons I don't comment on that.just one do you trust your goverment and the people enforcing there will and gun laws never stopped criminals from owning them.As they don

Even if in the USA there's freedom of speech there are still rules made by sites since they're private.

Yeah but as a US citizen worst thing you get banned.In my country in the other hand you can get thrown into prison for wrongthink and tought crime.So I have to be very careful with my speech.

 

[nobitakun]

For my savety reasons I don't comment on that.just one do you trust your goverment and the people enforcing there will and gun laws never stopped criminals from owning them.As they don

Yeah but as a US citizen worst thing you get banned.In my country in the other hand you can get thrown into prison for wrongthink and tought crime.So I have to be very careful with my speech.

Wait, you're not from US and you want to live in the US?

 

[Retro Doomer]

Wait, you're not from US and you want to live in the US?

Yes but I am a US Citizen stuck in Germany with no rights and protections of a US citizen.But still all duties of an American.I am born and raised in Germany and always longed for the Freedom people in th US enjoy that I don't have.

 

[nobitakun]

Yes but I am a US Citizen stuck in Germany with no rights and protections of a US citizen.But still all duties of an American.I am born and raised in Germany and always longed for the Freedom people in th US enjoy that I don't have.

I am curious enough. You were born in Germany but you're not german? you sound like you were a jewish born in 1940 :O.

Maybe your situation is very special, but I consider Germany a good country, way better than my own country, Spain.