Ideal Nation to Settle Down ?

[secreto7]

Somewhere I could be at peace and people cared and stayed with me.

 

[_Lorenzo_]

I love my country despite its paradoxes and problems. I love traveling, discovering new places, and meeting people from cultures different from mine, but I wouldn't move away from where I am now—I’ve already done that when I was younger...

 

[Retro Doomer]

Man muss erstmal weg gehen um heimzukommen
You have to leave first to come Home.Is a saying
Many people only learn to appreciate there Homeland when they where away from it and than Returning Home.

I love my country despite its paradoxes and problems. I love traveling, discovering new places, and meeting people from cultures different from mine, but I wouldn't move away from where I am now—I’ve already done that when I was younger...

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

The nation you were born in. We would have a happier world if people respected the land of their ancestors and kept their roots there.

I'm sorry to tell you but humanity has always been about population moving places. Even your ancestors were probably from somewhere else, there's barely any "pure" people from the place they're born in (even in small villages there are some exoduses).

And I'm not even talking about travelling communities.


PS: Also it'd be bad for the genetic pool if we were all staying in the same place because of inbreeding after several generations. We really need some chromosome variety and moving to other places to keep the offspring healthy and devoid of any defects.



Back to the subject there's sadly no perfect place on Earth and the ones that are still kept intact shouldn't be stained by humanity's presence (like Antarctica or even an island with a lush jungle) and if a country is better to live in I think it'd be harder to be accepted as a citizen in there.

 

[Retro Doomer]

I'm sorry to tell you but humanity has always been about population moving places. Even your ancestors were probably from somewhere else, there's barely any "pure" people from the place they're born in (even in small villages there are some exoduses).

And I'm not even talking about travelling communities.


PS: Also it'd be bad for the genetic pool if we were all staying in the same place because of inbreeding after several generations. We really need some chromosome variety and moving to other places to keep the offspring healthy and devoid of any defects.



Back to the subject there's sadly no perfect place on Earth and the ones that are still kept intact shouldn't be stained by humanity's presence (like Antarctica or even an island with a lush jungle) and if a country is better to live in I think it'd be harder to be accepted as a citizen in there.

I agree to the extend with him that people would be happier staying in the place of there ancestors is,that you can Improve on what is already there instead of beginning anew every time.There is pretty much centuries of work already put into it.Its its like building something for years just to abandon it and that time over time.Its also some good feeling knowing that your grandpa or great grandparents played as little kids where you still life when they where kids.It gives you are feeling of connection.But sure we Humans are also pioneers that love exploring and Conquering new places for us.Its really complicated and I can Understand leaving its not always Optimal where you life but I would recommend more on Improving what your forefathers build for you than to Abandon it, if you have something like that at least.And when I say I agree that Humans would be happier staying where there Ancestors come from its on Average its not for everyone Migration always will exist but less than today as the Average Human is not that much of a risk taker I would say.Because Migration always comes with the Risk of where to life what Job can you get there and will you like it there after you spend time and who know how much money to get there.

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This is also as far as Discussion should go before it becomes Political I also did not become Political here I Would say as Its more About building what is already there and About Risk taking.
So please no politics here.For Example I am more one of both I love my Homeland but I am also not opposed to Life somewhere else like Japan,but I also have to consider the Risks where to Life and will I be able to Life happily there after spending money and time on it.Those are all Risks that I would have to consider.Besides a Obvious Language barrier so how Easy or Hard will it be for me to learnt the Language there and do I even have the Money for it ?

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I agree to the extend with him that people would be happier staying in the place of there ancestors is,that you can Improve on what is already there instead of beginning anew every time.There is pretty much centuries of work already put into it.Its its like building something for years just to abandon it and that time over time.Its also some good feeling knowing that your grandpa or great grandparents played as little kids where you still life when they where kids.It gives you are feeling of connection.But sure we Humans are also pioneers that love exploring and Conquering new places for us.Its really complicated and I can Understand leaving its not always Optimal where you life but I would recommend more on Improving what your forefathers build for you than to Abandon it, if you have something like that at least.And when I say I agree that Humans would be happier staying where there Ancestors come from its on Average its not for everyone Migration always will exist but less than today as the Average Human is not that much of a risk taker I would say.Because Migration always comes with the Risk of where to life what Job can you get there and will you like it there after you spend time and who know how much money to get there.

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This is also as far as Discussion should go before it becomes Political I also did not become Political here I Would say as Its more About building what is already there and About Risk taking.
So please no politics here.For Example I am more one of both I love my Homeland but I am also not opposed to Life somewhere else like Japan,but I also have to consider the Risks where to Life and will I be able to Life happily there after spending money and time on it.Those are all Risks that I would have to consider.Besides a Obvious Language barrier so how Easy or Hard will it be for me to learnt the Language there and do I even have the Money for it ?

Talking about biological facts such as the dangers of having kids with someone too close to you is not inherently political.


On the other hand glorifying ancestry and thinking that we should stay there to build upon their foundation may be.

The United States of America exists because of people who moved away from their ancestor's home, without it we wouldn't live in a technologically advanced world. If Einstein never emigrated maybe he could've known a bad fate and science could still be half a century late compared to today.

A big part of my family is all over the place so I cannot properly have a specific place where they lived in.

 

[Retro Doomer]

Talking about biological facts such as the dangers of having kids with someone too close to you is not inherently political.


On the other hand glorifying ancestry and thinking that we should stay there to build upon their foundation may be.

The United States of America exists because of people who moved away from their ancestor's home, without it we wouldn't live in a technologically advanced world. If Einstein never emigrated maybe he could've known a bad fate and science could still be half a century late compared to today.

A big part of my family is all over the place so I cannot properly have a specific place where they lived in.

In the End Human Nature is Complex and how someone sees it is up to them I would say.And Genetic factors surely do exist but how long would it really take for a Genetic concern in a Population of a couple of thousand people like in Many cities for example,the danger is more in Smaller villages.Well I did not glorify Ancestry though as I merely state you could feel a connection because of it and there is also stuff already build for you normally,and abandoning it is not always the best Idea.I also really don't see it as Political to say that building what your Forefathers started is Political its the same when your Father begun Building a house but died and you continue to build it instead of just abandoning it.In the End if you want to Explore or not should be up to each Individual as without Risk takers there would be many things missing today and without People staying back and Building on what is already there we also would miss many things we have today,so both has its value

 

[bjork]

Good Choice but is it not kind of Expensive over there ?,and I could not leave anywhere near so many Vulcan's (Vulkan is what I mean),besides that the Nature stunning.

It depends on how you live and where. A person coming from the US midwest would probably be in shock, but when I lived there, coming from Southern California, it didn't seem that crazy to me. Living in Seattle now, seems about on par pricewise with what I remember, but it's been awhile.

 

[Retro Doomer]

It depends on how you live and where. A person coming from the US midwest would probably be in shock, but when I lived there, coming from Southern California, it didn't seem that crazy to me. Living in Seattle now, seems about on par pricewise with what I remember, but it's been awhile.

Well yeah hardly any Place as Expensive as Cali well probably New York.I guess Hawaii must look pretty cheap compared to Cali the Taxation State ;).

 

[bjork]

Well yeah hardly any Place as Expensive as Cali well probably New York.I guess Hawaii must look pretty cheap compared to Cali the Taxation State ;).

Right, but it's all proportional. If you can land a job there that lets you live within your means, it's definitely doable. I get daily emails from a Hawaiian job site and there's all kinds of stuff for people with actual qualifications, meanwhile I'm like "do you need a guy who can put cans in a straight line kinda decently?"

 

[job32]

I'm sorry to tell you but humanity has always been about population moving places. Even your ancestors were probably from somewhere else, there's barely any "pure" people from the place they're born in (even in small villages there are some exoduses).

And I'm not even talking about travelling communities.


PS: Also it'd be bad for the genetic pool if we were all staying in the same place because of inbreeding after several generations. We really need some chromosome variety and moving to other places to keep the offspring healthy and devoid of any defects.



Back to the subject there's sadly no perfect place on Earth and the ones that are still kept intact shouldn't be stained by humanity's presence (like Antarctica or even an island with a lush jungle) and if a country is better to live in I think it'd be harder to be accepted as a citizen in there.

I agree with a lot of what you said. In ancient times, we were tribes of the same original family in the Northern section of the world. I feel there were seperations and dispersions. When conditions became harsh, people had to move on and that created clashes but it was honerable warfare and usually the conquerers would settle down and join with the women of the defeated lands, naturally. They were of the same stock, originally, further back in my opinion.
This won't be popular, but I dont think the different races were ever of the same family originally. Obviously, there has been much inter-breeding between the different races but I think that has damaged more than it has helped.
As Muhammed Ali said :

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

This won't be popular, but I dont think the different races were ever of the same family originally. Obviously, there has been much inter-breeding between the different races but I think that has damaged more than it has helped.

I'd argue that "race" has no actual biological basis since this term isn't even used by biologists. You can say ethnic groups (it talks about groups much better than colours), the genus for the homo or just human species to be more broad. The only different human "race" I could see is the Neanderthal.

Taxonomy is quite a serious business.

PS: As much as I respect Mr. Ali for his career and impact over boxing I think that he's no biologist and his vision of things could also be biased (especially when even within blue birds there could be mutations due to evolution). Birds from millennia ago aren't the same as today's for that reason. Even the colour blue itself could come from a mutation that wasn't here to begin with.


But we're digressing quite a lot.

 

[kamille]

Somewhere I'm safe from the upcoming war

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Somewhere I'm safe from the upcoming war.

Without falling into politics what war? Where? When? And why?

And let's be honest, if any kind of nuclear warfare may happen there's virtually nowhere safe unless you have a bunker deep below the ground (or underwater).

 

[Akiba]

Japan, given they stop importing refugees.

 

[Dr.Kisaragi]

Philippines because they are nicest people and the price are cheap.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Japan, given they stop importing refugees.

I disagree, the Japanese society is far from being the heaven that animes are portraying.

Also there are Chinese and Korean people living in there (which sadly are suffering from Japan's xenophobic tendencies).

 

[Bonkers225]

My closet

 

[Akiba]

I disagree, the Japanese society is far from being the heaven that animes are portraying.

Also there are Chinese and Korean people living in there (which sadly are suffering from Japan's xenophobic tendencies).

I disagree from having lived there as a kid and traveling there regularly to see old friends.
Its a high trust society with a very solid cost of living, a culture which upkeeps the social contract more often then not and not to mention the small stuff. Amazing Public transportation and health care, land owning opportunities and over all a pleasant sort of population even if some of that pleasantness might be cultural obligation.
Are there issues? Well absolutely, there have been ever since changing of State Shinto to the worship of the almighty green God. Thats created a black sesspit of a working culture that grinds everyone down essentially to keep the elderly propped up as the small ability to even give that generation back a sliver of what they were promised. That leads to focus on work life, less on fam, birth decline, ect ect. Cultural stigmas, saving face, customs and proper language that has to be used, gender skewed society blah blah blah
No country is perfect but Japan is a hell of a lot nicer then others.


Of course there are, Chinese have their own issues depending on the area, the Chinese tourism however is hitting things hard. Just like Russian tourists, they have a bad rap for a reason.
Im not talking about them, Im talking about the ones theyre pulling from Pakistan, India, Kurds, Bangladesh. Also, you know Koreans and Chinese are just as Xenophobic and racist toward the Japanese in their own countries right? lol

And actually I thought about, I just answered the question and gave my conditional. I dont know how you can disagree that Japan is the ideal nation that I would want to live in. I just didnt give my why as I wanted to live there

 

[Retro Doomer]

I disagree from having lived there as a kid and traveling there regularly to see old friends.
Its a high trust society with a very solid cost of living, a culture which upkeeps the social contract more often then not and not to mention the small stuff. Amazing Public transportation and health care, land owning opportunities and over all a pleasant sort of population even if some of that pleasantness might be cultural obligation.
Are there issues? Well absolutely, there have been ever since changing of State Shinto to the worship of the almighty green God. Thats created a black sesspit of a working culture that grinds everyone down essentially to keep the elderly propped up as the small ability to even give that generation back a sliver of what they were promised. That leads to focus on work life, less on fam, birth decline, ect ect. Cultural stigmas, saving face, customs and proper language that has to be used, gender skewed society blah blah blah
No country is perfect but Japan is a hell of a lot nicer then others.


Of course there are, Chinese have their own issues depending on the area, the Chinese tourism however is hitting things hard. Just like Russian tourists, they have a bad rap for a reason.
Im not talking about them, Im talking about the ones theyre pulling from Pakistan, India, Kurds, Bangladesh. Also, you know Koreans and Chinese are just as Xenophobic and racist toward the Japanese in their own countries right? lol

As a German I rather don't take any open Opinion on that as I prefer my Freedom and I want to stay free in the most free system we ever had.So I won't commit a thougt Crime here.I really love having to walk on eggshels here.I hate being stuck in Germany I love my wait I don't want to commit wrong think here I meant I love my Economic Zone. :(

 

[Akiba]

As a German I rather don't take any open Opinion on that as I prefer my Freedom and I want to stay free in the most free system we ever had.So I won't commit a thougt Crime here.I really love having to walk on eggshels here.I hate being stuck in Germany I love my wait I don't want to commit wrong think here I meant I love my Evonomic Zone. :(

I totally get that, Ive got German friends and Ive heard the horror stories. Im sorry you gotta deal with that brother.

I wish your country didnt end up in such a state when it comes to surveillance. Ive always loved the culture, music, food, hell I even adore German language because of its absolute uniqueness. I would hope first that Germany heals and fixes itself but I know the issues are far too deep rooted to really hold out hope. Hopefully though at some point you can move away and find home elsewhere. Theres a lot of beautiful places in America that are rural and pleasant if youre looking for a peaceful life. And Japan has the same too but boy howdy is Japanese harder to learn in English once you get up to the big boy levels lol

 

[Retro Doomer]

I disagree from having lived there as a kid and traveling there regularly to see old friends.
Its a high trust society with a very solid cost of living, a culture which upkeeps the social contract more often then not and not to mention the small stuff. Amazing Public transportation and health care, land owning opportunities and over all a pleasant sort of population even if some of that pleasantness might be cultural obligation.
Are there issues? Well absolutely, there have been ever since changing of State Shinto to the worship of the almighty green God. Thats created a black sesspit of a working culture that grinds everyone down essentially to keep the elderly propped up as the small ability to even give that generation back a sliver of what they were promised. That leads to focus on work life, less on fam, birth decline, ect ect. Cultural stigmas, saving face, customs and proper language that has to be used, gender skewed society blah blah blah
No country is perfect but Japan is a hell of a lot nicer then others.


Of course there are, Chinese have their own issues depending on the area, the Chinese tourism however is hitting things hard. Just like Russian tourists, they have a bad rap for a reason.
Im not talking about them, Im talking about the ones theyre pulling from Pakistan, India, Kurds, Bangladesh. Also, you know Koreans and Chinese are just as Xenophobic and racist toward the Japanese in their own countries right? lol

As a German I rather don't take any open Opinion on that as I prefer my Freedom and I want to stay free in the most free system we ever had.So I won't commit a thougt Crime here.I really love having to walk on eggshels here.I hate being stuck in Germany I love my wait I don't want to commit wrong think here I meant I love my Evonomic Zone.

I totally get that, Ive got German friends and Ive heard the horror stories. Im sorry you gotta deal with that brother.

I wish your country didnt end up in such a state when it comes to surveillance. Ive always loved the culture, music, food, hell I even adore German language because of its absolute uniqueness. I would hope first that Germany heals and fixes itself but I know the issues are far too deep rooted to really hold out hope. Hopefully though at some point you can move away and find home elsewhere. Theres a lot of beautiful places in America that are rural and pleasant if youre looking for a peaceful life. And Japan has the same too but boy howdy is Japanese harder to learn in English once you get up to the big boy levels lol

If I had the Money I would move to America for the Freedom of Speech there would be a lot of things I would love to say.And yes german really took 1984 to much to hearth.Funny thing is I am an American born in Germany but I am also a German and stuck here wich means I have all the duties an American but none of the Rights and protections of one.I hate having to life in constant anxiety here and hsving to hide what I really feel and think.

 

[Akiba]

If I had the Money I would move to America for the Freedom of Speech there would be a lot of things I would love to say.And yes german really took 1984 to much to hearth.Funny thing is I am an American born in Germany but I am also a German and stuck here wich means I have all the duties an American but none of the Rights and protections of one.I hate having to life in constant anxiety here and hsving to hide what I really feel and think.

Ahhh, I see, goodness, I genuinely do hope your situations improves my dude. I know that kinda shit can be absolute hell.

 

[MajesticSiN]

The fire nation

 

[Retro Doomer]

The fire nation

But one day everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.