GIVE ME YOUR TIER LISTS NOW !

[MasterEn]

im illiterate because it took me 3 whole minutes to try to read the category below trash but unless i really cant read why is the growlanser series not applicable?

there's no telling. i checked and it's an rpg series. only one game hasn't been release in america, the first one. he may just not have played any of them yet.

 

[Leon]

im illiterate because it took me 3 whole minutes to try to read the category below trash but unless i really cant read why is the growlanser series not applicable?

I consider growlanser like langrisser more tactical strategy, both have jrpg like stories but neither are what i'd call "jrpg's".

 

[MasterEn]

I consider growlanser like langrisser more tactical strategy, both have jrpg like stories but neither are what i'd call "jrpg's".

do characters level up in growlanser and langrisser?

 

[Leon]

there's no telling. i checked and it's an rpg series. only one game hasn't been release in america, the first one. he may just not have played any of them yet.

Like i said i don't consider it a jrpg series but a form of tactical strategy due to a few reasons, if i was to rank it and langrisser though i'd put langrisser as B and growlanser as B as well.

 

[MasterEn]

Like i said i don't consider it a jrpg series but a form of tactical strategy due to a few reasons, if i was to rank it and langrisser though i'd put langrisser as B and growlanser as B as well.

that didn't answer my question.

 

[Leon]

do characters level up in growlanser and langrisser?

Yes, but that's not enough to be considered a jrpg to me, it needs to involve the combat system, how in depth the story is, how character focused it is, how it handles items, etc.
I guess i should say growlanser just barely made it into not applicable, but i couldn't justify ranking it because of the way the story and game mechanics around the item system of 2 was.

that didn't answer my question.

You posted this while i was typing up a reply.

 

[MasterEn]

Yes, but that's not enough to be considered a jrpg to me, it needs to involve the combat system, how in depth the story is, how character focused it is, how it handles items, etc.
I guess i should say growlanser just barely made it into not applicable, but i couldn't justify ranking it because of the way the story and game mechanics around the item system of 2 was.

You posted this while i was typing up a reply.

if they level up, then it's a tactical rpg; like fire emblem. more about strategy, but leveling up has importance. if it was just tactics, then it would just be strategy, like advance wars. static stats but good use of tactics will determine the outcome of the battle.

 

[Leon]

if they level up, then it's a tactical rpg; like fire emblem. more about strategy, but leveling up has importance. if it was just tactics, then it would just be strategy, like advance wars. static stats but good use of tactics will determine the outcome of the battle.

Then we will have to agree to disagree on this, because i can also level up in borderlands, that isn't a game i'd consider a rpg.
You can also level up in a few sports games, again not what i'd call a rpg.

 

[MasterEn]

Then we will have to agree to disagree on this, because i can also level up in borderlands, that isn't a game i'd consider a rpg.
You can also level up in a few sports games, again not what i'd call a rpg.

that's why you put the main genre first. that would be a shooter rpg. gears of wars also has a level up system. i'd say next time add some extra info if you are excluding something that seems to belong to a group. it was very confusing to see that game listed as an rpg, but not count on your list.

 

[Leon]

that's why you put the main genre first. that would be a shooter rpg. gears of wars also has a level up system. i'd say next time add some extra info if you are excluding something that seems to belong to a group. it was very confusing to see that game listed as an rpg, but not count on your list.

I made it very clear in my post that it was a ranking of JRPG's also no, borderlands was a looter shooter, which is a known subgenre of the fps genre.

Nearly every game these days has a form of leveling system, but far less true rpg's come out these days in comparison to a decade ago

A JRPG is a heavily story and world focused game with exploration, worldbuilding and character building, battle system is somewhat effected but if that was all then langrisser and growlanser would have been added to the list, the fact they weren't was due to the fact that the games are far less focused on the world and story than most on the list, i should point out that i nearly disqualified vandal hearts over this, but it's very story heavy which is why i kept it, langrisser was a borderline case but i could not justify it being considered a jrpg for the exact same reason vandal hearts is, while the story is important in langrisser, it has too many minuses in the genre for me to put it in the jrpg genre, same with growlanser.

There is a sliding scale of what counts as a rpg and what doesn't out there i'm sure, but both of those have too few genre requirements for me to count them as jrpg's and i stand by that statement, even though i personally love langrisser (haven't played enough of the growlanser series to say that yet).

Again this is like asking about whether the legend of zelda games are rpg's are not, half the people will say it's a action-rpg, half would say it's action adventure.

 

[MasterEn]

I made it very clear in my post that it was a ranking of JRPG's also no, borderlands was a looter shooter, which is a known subgenre of the fps genre.

Nearly every game these days has a form of leveling system, but far less true rpg's come out these days in comparison to a decade ago

A JRPG is a heavily story and world focused game with exploration, worldbuilding and character building, battle system is somewhat effected but if that was all then langrisser and growlanser would have been added to the list, the fact they weren't was due to the fact that the games are far less focused on the world and story than most on the list, i should point out that i nearly disqualified vandal hearts over this, but it's very story heavy which is why i kept it, langrisser was a borderline case but i could not justify it being considered a jrpg for the exact same reason vandal hearts is, while the story is important in langrisser, it has too many minuses in the genre for me to put it in the jrpg genre, same with growlanser.

There is a sliding scale of what counts as a rpg and what doesn't out there i'm sure, but both of those have too few genre requirements for me to count them as jrpg's and i stand by that statement, even though i personally love langrisser (haven't played enough of the growlanser series to say that yet).

Again this is like asking about whether the legend of zelda games are rpg's are not, half the people will say it's a action-rpg, half would say it's action adventure.

i don't think i saw your first post. so i didn't know.
only zelda 2 is an action rpg. you do level up in that one. hyrule warriors is the only other set of zelda games with level up mechanics in it. everything else is action adventure. i thought that was obvious but i guess most people don't check out the zelda games.

 

[Leon]

i don't think i saw your first post. so i didn't know.
only zelda 2 is an action rpg. you do level up in that one. hyrule warriors is the only other set of zelda games with level up mechanics in it. everything else is action adventure. i thought that was obvious but i guess most people don't check out the zelda games.

Honestly the biggest problem is the RPG genre itself, what consittutes a rpg?
If it's player control of a character, then every game is a rpg, including sonic and mario, if it's story again 90% of games have a story.
Hence why the rpg is basically a constitution of multiple different aspects that make up a whole, hence why strict criteria is required for something to classify as a jrpg, which stands for japanese rpg, there are a couple i came real close to disqualifying as well, soulsborne and monster hunter, monster hunter has alot of factors that honestly make it not fit the genre, but it's just close enough that i couldn't disqualify it, this is one of the reasons it's at C tier, in soulsborne's case i only played elden ring so i put it in not played because it really doesn't fit as a jrpg in itself as it's more similar to WRPG's, but i also didn't play enough of the series to qualify or disqualify it.

Leveling in itself is not required for the rpg genre, just some kind of growth progression, final fantasy 8, 10 and 13 for example didn't really have leveling systems but had a growth progression, in 8's case leveling actually hurt you, now that i think about it i don't believe nier or drakengard have leveling in the normal sense either, this is one of the reasons zelda is so hard to classify and everyone has their opinion on it.

Also my tier list was more about quality of the series, not nessisarily of my opinion on the games, my most hated game of all time is unlimited saga yet i still gave the series a A, wheras i'm personally fond of the lufia series and definitely loved parasite eve 1, but both of those series are C ranked due to factors involving the series, trash to a extent also has that as i really don't dislike agarest, but there are problems in the trash tier that i could not get them a C rank for.

 

[RanmyakuIchi]

Here's another one, this time Retro FPS/Boomer Shooters:

Realizing I missed Powerslave and Turok 3, just put 'em somewhere in B tier.

 

[starseeker300]

Spoiler: ordered in tier fire emblem three hopes character tier list (unmarked spoilers)

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every pokemon game ive played(except for very last tier but you have to pay me an exorbitant sum to play those)

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every fire emblem game

 

[Aziamuth]

The only one I have at hand that I care about is this one rating playable characters in Thracia 776 based on effectiveness. Could whip up a new one about something else if I felt like it.

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every pokemon game ive played(except for very last tier but you have to pay me an exorbitant sum to play those)
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every fire emblem game
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Play the Tellius duology INMEDIATELY

 

[dropsmegamega]

Honestly the biggest problem is the RPG genre itself, what consittutes a rpg?
If it's player control of a character, then every game is a rpg, including sonic and mario, if it's story again 90% of games have a story.
Hence why the rpg is basically a constitution of multiple different aspects that make up a whole, hence why strict criteria is required for something to classify as a jrpg, which stands for japanese rpg, there are a couple i came real close to disqualifying as well, soulsborne and monster hunter, monster hunter has alot of factors that honestly make it not fit the genre, but it's just close enough that i couldn't disqualify it, this is one of the reasons it's at C tier, in soulsborne's case i only played elden ring so i put it in not played because it really doesn't fit as a jrpg in itself as it's more similar to WRPG's, but i also didn't play enough of the series to qualify or disqualify it.

Leveling in itself is not required for the rpg genre, just some kind of growth progression, final fantasy 8, 10 and 13 for example didn't really have leveling systems but had a growth progression, in 8's case leveling actually hurt you, now that i think about it i don't believe nier or drakengard have leveling in the normal sense either, this is one of the reasons zelda is so hard to classify and everyone has their opinion on it.

Also my tier list was more about quality of the series, not nessisarily of my opinion on the games, my most hated game of all time is unlimited saga yet i still gave the series a A, wheras i'm personally fond of the lufia series and definitely loved parasite eve 1, but both of those series are C ranked due to factors involving the series, trash to a extent also has that as i really don't dislike agarest, but there are problems in the trash tier that i could not get them a C rank for.

I would say RPGs like their name say are exactly about playing the role of a character, so the progression, interactions and the more personal focus on the story are main factors- like it doesn't matter if you're the best player ever, a level 1 adventurer will not even be able to damage a great boss. It's not the player fighting, is the character he created that at level 1 should be struggling with goblins. So I wouldn't consider souls an action rpg or games where the progression system isn't completely vital. Diablo would be my example for action rpg and maybe Tales of series. Also even if there is a deep progression system, if there is no proper exploration or the scale is just too big to be personal with you controlling armies I wouldn't call it a RPG either.