Gaming Headcanons

[MasterEn]

But wouldn't seeing squall again snaps something in her? Also for rinoa to become a sorceress squall has to defeat edea so we have to ask then when and how did squall die if we are going along with this narrative

And removing entire sections of time to prevent SEED from existing and SEED is to fight the sorcerer that's their entire reason for existing she needs those out of the way and through time compression she can control the world it makes the most sense really.

+I don't see edea or adel going insane from being powerful spellcasters , and if Ultimecia knight is seifer then rinoa knight is squall right?

Also she has timber , those 2 guys with her in the train , laguna kiros and ward +the remaining SEED who all would be there for her , the details are extremely vague and we can't be sure of it because Final Fantasy games conclude by the end of the game so we never know what happens after.

+I just remembered when you speak with rinoa in the ragnarok she says something along the lines of "even if we defeat Ultimecia my powers will pass into generation after generation and eventually get to Ultimecia" and wouldn't Ultimecia or with this theory future rinoa see past rinoa and be surprised or something? Maybe tell her to protect squall? I mean come on if square were really onto it they would have left a hint.

I think them using same weapon was just a design choice to reference 8 more.

well, that's the main point. we don't know anything about ultimecia.
the only explanation for her not recognizing squall might be if she was possibly thousands of years old and driven to complete madness. over time, she would have forgotten what he looked like if she was that old.
with this being a time paradox, the original start point and events would be critical to knowing how everything started. but we are never shown or given any hints to that. in fact, we seem to be so far into the looping that it became perfect. a perfect circle of events with no true start or stop.
yeah, you would be perfectly spot on with that comparison. ultimecia does try to recruit seifer as her knight, and squall does fill the role for rinoa.
that part might have lead to something else if the game had more development time. it could be very well that they planed on ultimecia being a descendant of rinoa, maybe even being her daughter or granddaughter. and since no one seems to have found or release any notes from the devs at around the time of development, we will never know.
it could just be a reference. ff9 is full of them.

 

[Cu-Neo]

In infamous 1 the bad Karma is the canon path mostly because the bad karma choices are what Cole think first and later in Infamous 2 after cole basically looses everything because of his actions he learns how to be a hero in the new city where infamous 2 take place.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

well, that's the main point. we don't know anything about ultimecia.
the only explanation for her not recognizing squall might be if she was possibly thousands of years old and driven to complete madness. over time, she would have forgotten what he looked like if she was that old.
with this being a time paradox, the original start point and events would be critical to knowing how everything started. but we are never shown or given any hints to that. in fact, we seem to be so far into the looping that it became perfect. a perfect circle of events with no true start or stop.
yeah, you would be perfectly spot on with that comparison. ultimecia does try to recruit seifer as her knight, and squall does fill the role for rinoa.
that part might have lead to something else if the game had more development time. it could be very well that they planed on ultimecia being a descendant of rinoa, maybe even being her daughter or granddaughter. and since no one seems to have found or release any notes from the devs at around the time of development, we will never know.
it could just be a reference. ff9 is full of them.

I think the vague background is done on purpose.

By 8 end you go back in time when squall was little boy and you see a injured Ultimecia giving her powers to matron later known as edea , I think she refers to you as squall in front of Ultimecia so wouldn't that prompt a reaction? Also seifer constantly mentioning squall in front of edea who is possessed by Ultimecia shouldn't it all have rang bells in her ears? No?

Yeah its usually the case fans look too deep into something that can explained as simple as a design choice or a small funny reference.

 

[MasterEn]

In infamous 1 the bad Karma is the canon path mostly because the bad karma choices are what Cole think first and later in Infamous 2 after cole basically looses everything because of his actions he learns how to be a hero in the new city where infamous 2 take place.

that's not headcanon, that's exactly what happens in the game.
that's just canon.

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I think the vague background is done on purpose.

By 8 end you go back in time when squall was little boy and you see a injured Ultimecia giving her powers to matron later known as edea , I think she refers to you as squall in front of Ultimecia so wouldn't that prompt a reaction? Also seifer constantly mentioning squall in front of edea who is possessed by Ultimecia shouldn't it all have rang bells in her ears? No?

Yeah its usually the case fans look too deep into something that can explained as simple as a design choice or a small funny reference.

yeah, sometimes things are left vague on purpose.

i think you keep missing the point that makes this part make sense. if she is crazy, she wouldn't really remember him, and if she did, she wouldn't know if her memories were true or not.
we are given nothing about her. we know nothing other than the goal of time compression. why does she want to do it? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
how did she learn to do it? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
why go back to this specific time? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
why does she speak with a "k" in most of her words that would have a "c" in them? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
we got nothing. N/A, zero.
you brought excellently valid points that deal critical, super effective, +4,000,000,000% buffed up with berserk, swords dance, cheer, luck and many more abilities added to it.
in the end, all we have are guesses and clues so vague not even sherlock holmes, batman and jimmy kudo working together couldn't solve this mystery.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

yeah, sometimes things are left vague on purpose.

i think you keep missing the point that makes this part make sense. if she is crazy, she wouldn't really remember him, and if she did, she wouldn't know if her memories were true or not.
we are given nothing about her. we know nothing other than the goal of time compression. why does she want to do it? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
how did she learn to do it? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
why go back to this specific time? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
why does she speak with a "k" in most of her words that would have a "c" in them? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
we got nothing. N/A, zero.
you brought excellently valid points that deal critical, super effective, +4,000,000,000% buffed up with berserk, swords dance, cheer, luck and many more abilities added to it.
in the end, all we have are guesses and clues so vague not even sherlock holmes, batman and jimmy kudo working together couldn't solve this mystery.

No I'm not missing the point but I'm in doubt , how would a crazy and mad person be able to pull off such a scheme? Well idk man sounds like a conclusion with no evidence to support it.

I think she speaks in K instead of C cuz she has a russian accent that's how I imagine her

Good read btw and you provided me with a document too I shall use it in court

 

[CG4R12I4N]

The point is that it's a headcanon because it's all so vague, and Square itself did nothing to refute this. If anything they further fanned the flames with Dissidia, XIV and Brave Exvius making them even more similiar.
So no, I don't need to explain to you in detail about the theory according to the game, because there're never any actual evidences whatsoever.

Square localizations are always kinda sketchy anyway, so telling me it doesn't make sense according to character actions and personality is pretty irrelevant because for all we know they probably changed things to make them slightly differ anyway.
The infamous "...Whatever." comes to mind, and IIRC there's a JP guy who explain the theory in even more specifics based on Rinoa and Ultimecia's lines that actually have different meaning in localizations.

 

[Ikagura]

Remember Hitchens's razor:

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence

 

[MasterEn]

No I'm not missing the point but I'm in doubt , how would a crazy and mad person be able to pull off such a scheme? Well idk man sounds like a conclusion with no evidence to support it.

I think she speaks in K instead of C cuz she has a russian accent that's how I imagine her

Good read btw and you provided me with a document too I shall use it in court

for that first point, the joker from batman shows that crazy people can still function to a high degree. their actions just usually doesn't make sense to others.
i'll check the wiki and see if anyone ever found anything. i was guessing that she had some sort of accent in the japanese version, and that was the best approximation for the english version.
you're welcome. : )

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The point is that it's a headcanon because it's all so vague, and Square itself did nothing to refute this. If anything they further fanned the flames with Dissidia, XIV and Brave Exvius making them even more similiar.
So no, I don't need to explain to you in detail about the theory according to the game, because there're never any actual evidences whatsoever.

Square localizations are always kinda sketchy anyway, so telling me it doesn't make sense according to character actions and personality is pretty irrelevant because for all we know they probably changed things to make them slightly differ anyway.
The infamous "...Whatever." comes to mind, and IIRC there's a JP guy who explain the theory in even more specifics based on Rinoa and Ultimecia's lines that actually have different meaning in localizations.

yes, it's been so long that even if notes existed for any of this, they are long gone.
hopefully one day, someone might find some and the game's story can actually be completed.

 

[miguk]

While it's a fine headcanon I don't really like when some people claims that one is LGBT merely because the game does not focus on the hero having romantic interest with the main girl.

There are other female characters in the franchise and I'd say that romance isn't the main focus of the series therefore it's not telling anything about the possible orientation of the character.

I get that, but it's noticeable that they once tried to push the idea of them being romantic and then *poof* it's gone from the series. They are so platonic these days it stands out.

Now, you could argue that Japanese people don't do PDA or that it's a family-friendly series so they are keeping it "clean", but a lot of Japanese media makes romance explicit and Nintendo isn't afraid to let Peach kiss Mario (not to mention Luigi automatically gets a girlfriend because Mario isn't dating her). Of the male & female pairings in Nintendo games, they stand out as the most non-romantic.

As for the other female characters, Link doesn't really do much to show them any interest. He even runs away from his fish-waifu when she tries to declare her love for him and freaks out when pulled into the lair of the Great Fairy for, er, "upgrading". (If anything, we can at least say Link does not have a giantess fetish, and is not Troy McClure.)

That said, I'm not trying to say that Nintendo is trying to hint at anything; it's most likely an accident resulting from their official policy to make Link a player self-insert for both male and female players. (This is why his character design is so effeminate.) I'm just saying that it's super easy to headcanon that from how they've presented the characters.

 

[Tbest25]

I subscribe to the theory: "Nomura and Nojima's brains are dead".

I believe in this theory too. Especially after some plot holes in Kingdom hearts

 

[Leon]

Serious theories here:
All endings in chrono trigger and chrono cross are canon, leading to different stories and series, some where cross doesn't happen, some where it does, some that lead to entirely different series.

Chaos is the main character of xenosaga saga, merely ensuring everything happens as it should to end the eternal regression cycle.

 

[Skeleben]

For the longest time I actually just thought this was canon, but I looked it up apparently it's never been confirmed, so it's a headcanon I guess!

Every Ditto in Pokemon being a failed clone of Mew. Like look at this absolute little character. The undefined blob shape is already kind of giving failed science experiment, on top of Ditto and Mew being the only Pokemon who can naturally learn and use Transform, idk this one just feels canon to me.

 

[MasterEn]

I get that, but it's noticeable that they once tried to push the idea of them being romantic and then *poof* it's gone from the series. They are so platonic these days it stands out.

Now, you could argue that Japanese people don't do PDA or that it's a family-friendly series so they are keeping it "clean", but a lot of Japanese media makes romance explicit and Nintendo isn't afraid to let Peach kiss Mario (not to mention Luigi automatically gets a girlfriend because Mario isn't dating her). Of the male & female pairings in Nintendo games, they stand out as the most non-romantic.

As for the other female characters, Link doesn't really do much to show them any interest. He even runs away from his fish-waifu when she tries to declare her love for him and freaks out when pulled into the lair of a sexy giantess for, er, "upgrading". (If anything, we can at least say Link does not have a giantess fetish.)

That said, I'm not trying to say that Nintendo is trying to hint at anything; it's most likely an accident resulting from their official policy to make Link a player self-insert for both male and female players. (This is why his character design is so effeminate.) I'm just saying that it's super easy to headcanon that from how they've presented the characters.

zelda is far less family friendly than mario. you have seen cia from hyrule warriors and some of the ladies from twilight princess, and the infamous great fairy form the n64 games, right?
part of link not showing any specific interest in others in a romantic way would stem from the self insert perspective. but i would add to it that link is usually alone on his quests. he doesn't always have a companion with him. romance tends to build up and more naturally if two characters are together under going adventures and quests.

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For the longest time I actually just thought this was canon, but I looked it up apparently it's never been confirmed, so it's a headcanon I guess!

Every Ditto in Pokemon being a failed clone of Mew. Like look at this absolute little character. The undefined blob shape is already kind of giving failed science experiment, on top of Ditto and Mew being the only Pokemon who can naturally learn and use Transform, idk this one just feels canon to me.

not everything has to be directly stated to be canon. i remember reading that ditto is encountered more and more frequently when you are getting closer to mewtwo in the cerulean cave. it's not direct, but it is a nice subtle way of informing the player of a piece of lore without being blunt about it.
and it's further backed by mew knowing all moves, which ditto can do but to a more limited extent.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

The point is that it's a headcanon because it's all so vague, and Square itself did nothing to refute this. If anything they further fanned the flames with Dissidia, XIV and Brave Exvius making them even more similiar.
So no, I don't need to explain to you in detail about the theory according to the game, because there're never any actual evidences whatsoever.

Square localizations are always kinda sketchy anyway, so telling me it doesn't make sense according to character actions and personality is pretty irrelevant because for all we know they probably changed things to make them slightly differ anyway.
The infamous "...Whatever." comes to mind, and IIRC there's a JP guy who explain the theory in even more specifics based on Rinoa and Ultimecia's lines that actually have different meaning in localizations.

I read through half the document MasterEn sent it does a good job on proving this theory wrong , idk how people come up with such conclusions I never for a second thought "wait WAIT how can this be? Is rinoa also Ultimecia??" I mean its a headcanon but kinda shaky one if you ask me.

for that first point, the joker from batman shows that crazy people can still function to a high degree. their actions just usually doesn't make sense to others.
i'll check the wiki and see if anyone ever found anything. i was guessing that she had some sort of accent in the japanese version, and that was the best approximation for the english version.
you're welcome. : )

Well I guess you read through the document you sent the best answer lies there.

 

[MasterEn]

I read through half the document MasterEn sent it does a good job on proving this theory wrong , idk how people come up with such conclusions I never for a second thought "wait WAIT how can this be? Is rinoa also Ultimecia??" I mean its a headcanon but kinda shaky one if you ask me.



Well I guess you read through the document you sent the best answer lies there.

yeah, it was several years ago, but it was quite interesting to read. i think it was for several days i read it while eating lunch and dinner.
you do need to keep in mind that most people were thinking of this stuff around the time that it came out. you and i right now have the entire power of the internet, time and knowledge on our side and disposal. we can piece together and discuss what parts work and what doesn't. you disproved every point that can be made about "rinoa = ultimecia". everything that i added is pooling every piece of data and info that i have to come up with the least likely but still plausible outcome. and even then, it barely stands on its own. my other idea seems to hold more water though, but it's just as unlikely to be the actual answer to the paradoxical nature of ultimecia.

 

[CG4R12I4N]

There is no right or wrong here though, in fact there're no evidences whatsoever is what makes the imagination go wild because all those vague elements gave birth to that theory. You simply lacked that, everybody is different. Kinda funny that you still question this.

In the end, headcanon is just that, a headcanon. I stand by my opinion, you stand by your own. We'll just have to agree to disagree because there's nothing forcing us to change our sides whatsoever.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

yeah, it was several years ago, but it was quite interesting to read. i think it was for several days i read it while eating lunch and dinner.
you do need to keep in mind that most people were thinking of this stuff around the time that it came out. you and i right now have the entire power of the internet, time and knowledge on our side and disposal. we can piece together and discuss what parts work and what doesn't. you disproved every point that can be made about "rinoa = ultimecia". everything that i added is pooling every piece of data and info that i have to come up with the least likely but still plausible outcome. and even then, it barely stands on its own. my other idea seems to hold more water though, but it's just as unlikely to be the actual answer to the paradoxical nature of ultimecia.

Idk man I think we can just enjoy her sexy I mean intimidating appearance we can all agree on it

 

[Tonberry]

I like to imagine that Red (the character) is always the strongest trainer no matter what generation of Pokémon game you play even if he appears or not, since he’s been around the longest.

Until you beat him.

 

[MasterEn]

Idk man I think we can just enjoy her sexy I mean intimidating appearance we can all agree on it

i will never disagree on that. just a few months ago, i was wanting to draw something, and i happen to see a drawing of ultimecia, and i sat down and made a quick drawing of her. now i have about 40 drawings of my favorite ladies of the final fantasy series to work on making digital versions of.

 

[ciro64]

Yoshis can indeed make kazoo sounds

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Bowser Jr exists because the storks that canonically deliver babies in the Mario universe saw how much time Peach and Bowser spend together and misinterpreted their relationship. That's why she's confused by the idea in Super Mario Sunshine, but can't dismiss it out of hand.

That's a pretty good one

 

[Gorse]

Every Ditto in Pokemon being a failed clone of Mew.

My single favourite plot element in any Pokemon game is that, in Generation 1, it's very clear that human beings are trying (and succeeding) to make Pokemon. So many of the original 151 involve direct human intervention, and there's a whole buggering movie about how how scientists are using genetic engineering to understand and control these weird fucking creatures they have to co-exist with. Gen 1 has a load of weird futuristic tech shit that I think is really cool – the teleporter incident, the shady laboratory funded by Team Rocket, the electric plant, all the digital and mechanical Pokemon...

I really liked the early idea in the series that Pokemon are their own distinct class of creature that, while usually existing naturally, can be interfered with and produced independently. It's an idea that's completely incongruous with the rest of the series, but I think it's cool that, prior to Gen 2, Pokemon existed in parallel to both human beings and "real" animals. It makes them seem more like monsters or youkai or something. They dropped that aspect of the franchise after Red & Blue, and I think it really took away a lot of the sci-fi mystery and intrigue surrounding those games (though the GameCube games kind of touch on it a little, which was appreciated).

My personal Pokemon headcanon is that Kanto is specifically known as the most technologically-advanced of all the regions in the series, with Johto being its quirky backwards neighbour country full of hicks and Orre being the gritty criminal underworld that no decent person wants to visit. I hate how all the new games' settings are just "IT'S LIKE A REAL COUNTRY, WITH POKEMON TO MATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[trickybus]

Bowser Jr exists because the storks that canonically deliver babies in the Mario universe saw how much time Peach and Bowser spend together and misinterpreted their relationship. That's why she's confused by the idea in Super Mario Sunshine, but can't dismiss it out of hand.

YES! This has always been my favorite headcanon. I will revise it a bit, though: the storks don't always deliver to couples. Bowser himself doesn't have two parents; canonically, he was delivered to and raised by Kamek.

The storks are also the reason why the Koopalings are no longer considered Bowser's children. He intended for them to be his heirs until a stork arrived with Bowser Jr.

 

[Gorse]

Bowser himself doesn't have two parents; canonically, he was delivered to and raised by Kamek.

What game confirms this?

 

[trickybus]

What game confirms this?

Kamek as a father figure was established in Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, and Yoshi's Island DS. He runs the Koopa army in Bowser's stead as baby Bowser isn't old enough to do it himself, fusses over him when he's throwing a tantrum or wants something (in Partners in Time, it was cookies and Kamek made sure to give baby Bowser "evil milk" to wash them down), tries to intercept threats during naptime, and tends to Bowser's wounds when he's been beaten.

Yoshi's Island DS also confirms that storks don't even always deliver babies to people. In the DS sequel, the storks have an active role in rescuing and returning all the babies that Kamek has kidnapped. There's a brief scene where you witness the kidnapping of baby Bowser and see Kamek stealing him...from himself. Then, during the end-game cutscene, you watch all the storks return the babies to their parents. Baby Wario apprarenly has NO parents because he gets dropped off on a treasure barge by his stork.

 

[What's His Face]

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild & Tears of the Kingdom are not their own separate titles from the main series.

You know how the "Zelda Timeline" splits into three due to Zelda herself using the Ocarina of Time?

1. Once when Link dies to Ganon and gains the complete Triforce, with Zelda using the Ocarina to gather the Sages, and going back in time 7 years to Seal Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm, thereby creating the "downfall timeline" that the majority of the 2D games are based in.
2. Once to send Link back in time to relive his childhood, thereby leading to Twilight Princess.
3. And from there the timeline that remained, where Ganondorf returned, there was no Link to save Hyrule, thereby leading to the Great Ocean Hyrule.

Some may say "why aren't there a billion timelines for every time Link dies?" But the simple fact is that these split timelines only occur when Zelda herself causes them/is the cause of them. Now, is there another game where Zelda screws around with time? There is!

Skyward Sword.

The VAST majority of the game is based on the plot that a great even rose in the distant past, defeated Goddess Hylia's champion, and was sealed by the Goddess herself, becoming The Imprisoned. Near the end of the game, Link defeats The Imprisoned and, with the aid of the Triforce, squishes him with a good chunk of Skyloft. This is only achieved, however, by both Zelda and Link utilizing a Gate of Time to travel back-and-forth between the past and the present. Just as everyone is set to celebrate, Ghirahim, Demise's servant, shows-up, kidnaps Zelda, takes her into the past, and uses her to bring back his master, Demise.

This is leading to the NEW split in the timeline.

Demise, upon meeting Link, is shocked that a Hylian is confronting him as no other Hylian had done so before (thereby proving that Link is, himself, the "Goddess' Chosen Champion"). The battle rages, and this is where the timeline splits once more:

1. Link is triumphant, brings Zelda back to the future, and from here the Hyrule we all know is born, leading to the rest of the timeline.
2. Link dies like a bitch, Zelda turns Demise into a giant avocado, seals him away, leading to Skyward Sword. As Link is dead (and Hylia gets reincarnated eventually as a Hylian herself), no Hyrule can be born after Link and Zelda disappear into the past after The Imprisoned got guacamole'd.

My headcanon states that this is where the Space Bunnies/Zonai showed-up in the land and established Hyrule in the #2 Skyward Sword timeline, which acts as a parallel reality to the rest of the series. Events happen in BotW/TotK are similar to the rest of the series, but ultimately not the same. Thereby explaining everything.