I think the general opinion turned around now but I agree, Gex is a lot better than people used to say, it plays nice and the level design is quite hood, also I like how you get booted out of the level upon completing it like Mario 64, it gives a sense of completion, I hate games like DK 64 and Mario Odyssey where they feel like a chore.
- Adult jokes? check, all the way
- Duke silliness? from the "balls box" to the level where you go small on a burger tower
- Reference to other popular IP? Check as well, even giving some hits at Halo and Dead Space (for example)
It will definitely didnt live to the expectations of like 14 years (and like 3 development resets), but saying it has nothing to do us just ridiculous. It feel like a Duke Nukem 3D successor, maybe not the best sequel and it clearly has its flaws, but it fits right there. The "fans" and many other just hated it because it was the popular thing to do back then. Like the Star Wars prequels.
I agree with you largely. I think that the gameplay with the "modern fps" movement and tight gun limit was bad, and the game had severe pacing issues, like the parts where you're wandering around the desert or the innards of the Hoover Damn for way too long because there is very little for Duke to quip about or interact with. Duke Nukem is at it's best when it has Duke making one-liners or corny jokes or presenting references or cheeky situations at the player (like the section when Duke is shrunk and the lady is contemplating possibilities regarding shrunk Duke.
For all it's flaws DNF still has a lot of that Duke charm, and it gives you segments that provide a break from the core gameplay like the wrecking ball (sadly too early then for a Miley Cyrus reference), the forklift sections (if only you could properly lift pallets with the forklift!), a lot of interaction in the strip club, the platforming while shrunken at Duke Burger the RC car sequences. I wish they had
kept the Folsom twins around longer to provide Duke with motivation
but overall the game was decent, even good at the beginning and middle parts before the slog of the desert + dam endgame.
The DLC (Doctor Who Cloned Me) was actually really good as far as the pacing of all the quirky fun parts of Duke Nukem Forever goes, but unfortunately and unsurprisingly the flaws of the basic gameplay are there.
I don't think that Duke Nukem Forever is some kind of a masterpiece, far from it, but considering that so much of the Duke Nukem franchise is bad butchered ports of Duke 3d or thoroughly mediocre stuff like Land of the Babes, in my personal opinion Duke Nukem Forever sits in the upper mid parts of the Duke Nukem pyramid imho. Or at least doesn't deserve to as much of the scorn it receives.
Obviously everyone has their own preferences and rankings of all these various games so not belittling anyone's opinion but I think that as you said / implied in your other post, people have built up an image of Duke Nukem that is somehow more noble / complex / artistically sound than what he actually is. I love Civvie11's vids and he often has sound opinions to go with his comedy, but I think he also did this thing where he elevated Duke in non-Forever games to make the Forever-Duke seem worse by comparison.
Any other Devil May Cry 2 apologists out there? The tone was different to 1, but It's no worse playing in my opinion. I also really appreeciated there being a female main character to play (requiring a playthrough to unlock the next difficulty level, even!) Except for 3 and four, I think Devil may cry got better each entry, dMc -Devil May Cry- included. That was a fabulous game to play.
I agree with you largely. I think that the gameplay with the "modern fps" movement and tight gun limit was bad, and the game had severe pacing issues, like the parts where you're wandering around the desert or the innards of the Hoover Damn for way too long because there is very little for Duke to quip about or interact with. Duke Nukem is at it's best when it has Duke making one-liners or corny jokes or presenting references or cheeky situations at the player (like the section when Duke is shrunk and the lady is contemplating possibilities regarding shrunk Duke.
For all it's flaws DNF still has a lot of that Duke charm, and it gives you segments that provide a break from the core gameplay like the wrecking ball (sadly too early then for a Miley Cyrus reference), the forklift sections (if only you could properly lift pallets with the forklift!), a lot of interaction in the strip club, the platforming while shrunken at Duke Burger the RC car sequences. I wish they had
kept the Folsom twins around longer to provide Duke with motivation
but overall the game was decent, even good at the beginning and middle parts before the slog of the desert + dam endgame.
The DLC (Doctor Who Cloned Me) was actually really good as far as the pacing of all the quirky fun parts of Duke Nukem Forever goes, but unfortunately and unsurprisingly the flaws of the basic gameplay are there.
I don't think that Duke Nukem Forever is some kind of a masterpiece, far from it, but considering that so much of the Duke Nukem franchise is bad butchered ports of Duke 3d or thoroughly mediocre stuff like Land of the Babes, in my personal opinion Duke Nukem Forever sits in the upper mid parts of the Duke Nukem pyramid imho. Or at least doesn't deserve to as much of the scorn it receives.
Obviously everyone has their own preferences and rankings of all these various games so not belittling anyone's opinion but I think that as you said / implied in your other post, people have built up an image of Duke Nukem that is somehow more noble / complex / artistically sound than what he actually is. I love Civvie11's vids and he often has sound opinions to go with his comedy, but I think he also did this thing where he elevated Duke in non-Forever games to make the Forever-Duke seem worse by comparison.
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