Games a youtuber you watched said is bad, but when you played you enjoyed it?

[J.F.C]

I think NES Silver Surfer is an alright game, it isn't a masterpiece or anything but it was fine. The only reason people shit on it as much as they do is because of the AVGN video.

 

[MasterEn]

VeryI never got why yhatzee's so popular

I remember he really hated metal gear solid 4 haha

he makes dick jokes. that's enough.

 

[Vir_Tual_Player]

Thinking of AVGN, I'd say Fester's Quest is one of my favorite NES game (at least the PAL version that solved some of the issues the US version has).

My biggest one is the Friday the 13th NES game. It's very flawed and stupidly difficult but I just love how different and ambitious the game is in it's design and atmosphere. It also offers some neat secrets / side quests. Definitely a game I feel should deserve a small remake to give it some polish and solve it's more game breaking issues.

 

[Tonberry]

Starfox Adventures.
It's a million miles away from being perfect, and it's frontloaded with all the good parts, but I think it's an overall enjoyable game.

 

[fake-kun]

Starfox Adventures.
It's a million miles away from being perfect, and it's frontloaded with all the good parts, but I think it's an overall enjoyable game.

Funny. When I played it, I thought it was much worse than the Youtubers said.

 

[Tonberry]

Funny. When I played it, I thought it was much worse than the Youtubers said.

It's probably because I liked it as a kid and was surprised at the JonTron video lambasting it a hundred years ago. Nowadays I can assume there are a thousand hour-long videos talking about how it's an underrated masterpiece like any other mediocre game.

I haven't watched Youtube reviewers/opinion havers in ages though, so I wouldn't know other than the video I mentioned lol

 

[ciro64]

Megaman 8
Castlevania 64
Donkey Kong 64

 

[TKarma]

I'm a long time fan of The Rageaholic/Razorfist, a Thief fanboy who has a long standing hate-boner for Metal Gear Solid. Being a huge fan of Thief myself, I found myself avoiding the series for a long time until I realized it would probably be healthier to have my own opinion on them.
Are MGS1~2 broken games without having the radar on? Absolutely. Are some of the boss battles clunky? YES. Is Kojima a pretentious writer? Undoubtedly. But for all the flaws that I see in them, I had a wonderful time with MGS1~3 as well as Metal Gear 1 & 2. If PS3 emulation ever becomes halfway decent, I'm sure I'll have a fun time with MGS4 as well.

 

[Bloodriver]

Megaman X6. At the time I had to use a guide to play the game cause it was japanese and still had great fun.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I think NES Silver Surfer is an alright game, it isn't a masterpiece or anything but it was fine. The only reason people shit on it as much as they do is because of the AVGN video.

the soundtrack is a masterpiece

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I'm a long time fan of The Rageaholic/Razorfist, a Thief fanboy who has a long standing hate-boner for Metal Gear Solid. Being a huge fan of Thief myself, I found myself avoiding the series for a long time until I realized it would probably be healthier to have my own opinion on them.
Are MGS1~2 broken games without having the radar on? Absolutely. Are some of the boss battles clunky? YES. Is Kojima a pretentious writer? Undoubtedly. But for all the flaws that I see in them, I had a wonderful time with MGS1~3 as well as Metal Gear 1 & 2. If PS3 emulation ever becomes halfway decent, I'm sure I'll have a fun time with MGS4 as well.

Play peace walker and portable ops too

And then Rising takes place after 4

I like razorfist too, it's sad to see what he did to his ex

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Megaman 8
Castlevania 64
Donkey Kong 64

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Rockman 8 is great

People saying otherwise dont know nothihg
The animation is superb how tf is it a bad game

 

[Ikagura]

I also feel that Youtubers from a specific generation have put some games on a pedestal to the point they are no longer "criticisable" like Ocarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII and if you dare pointing out even a small flaw you'd get an army of people telling you that you aren't allowed to say that.

 

[Tonberry]

like Ocarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII

I dunno, I think those games were marked as untouchable since the day they released.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I also feel that Youtubers from a specific generation have put some games on a pedestal to the point they are no longer "criticisable" like Ocarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII and if you dare pointing out even a small flaw you'd get an army of people telling you that you aren't allowed to say that.

The modern equivalent is sony exclusives

 

[Ikagura]

I dunno, I think those games were marked as untouchable since the day they released.

I think back then the Internet was barely a thing for the general public and while they were massive success in magazine reviews there was no such thing as "these are the best game ever made, anyone who dislike it isn't a real gamer." or having people saying "you had to be there, if not then you're too young to have the right to judge it".


That's also my issue with the gaming community, apparently if you haven't played a game upon release you are therefore illegitimate to tell anything about one.

Also using the "you had to be there" argument implies that the game is only great because of its context rather than the intrinsic values of said game.

The modern equivalent is sony exclusives

I was almost tempted to say The Last of Us but this game is still quite modern compared to the classics.

 

[Tonberry]

I think back then the Internet was barely a thing for the general public and while they were massive success in magazine reviews there was no such thing as "these are the best game ever made, anyone who dislike it isn't a real gamer." or having people saying "you had to be there, if not then you're too young to have the right to judge it".


That's also my issue with the gaming community, apparently if you haven't played a game upon release you are therefore illegitimate to tell anything about one.

Also using the "you had to be there" argument implies that the game is only great because of its context rather than the intrinsic values of said game.


I was almost tempted to say The Last of Us but this game is still quite modern compared to the classics.

True I suppose. I dunno if there's anything wrong with "you had to be there" when talking about the immediate cultural impact of something, though, because that's part of the fun when looking back at such events later on imo.
I wasn't "there" because I was two and three years old respectively when they released.

Though in general I don't think disparaging opinions are as interesting as positive opinions, so I usually don't see the point in arguing those kinds of opinions on a video game, unless the topic specifically calls for it because in the wrong space it just turns into "I think xyz sucks" vs "I think xyz rocks" without much substance other than the opinions in and of themselves.

 

[Ikagura]

True I suppose. I dunno if there's anything wrong with "you had to be there" when talking about the immediate cultural impact of something, though, because that's part of the fun when looking back at such events later on imo.
I wasn't "there" because I was two and three years old respectively when they released.

There's also the recency bias about many things. I cannot allow myself to call something a masterpiece until it gets some age so we'd have a better point of view of the qualities and impact of a game.

And if something is truly great then it should be good even if someone finally try it five years after or else it was just good for its epoch.

Though in general I don't think disparaging opinions are as interesting as positive opinions, so I usually don't see the point in arguing those kinds of opinions on a video game, unless the topic specifically calls for it because in the wrong space it just turns into "I think xyz sucks" vs "I think xyz rocks" without much substance other than the opinions in and of themselves.

The issue is that humans are naturally enclined to not want to follow the trend, hating on popular things is actually a popular behaviour. Hipsters are actually not that unique and many people are disliking trendy things for the sake of feeling unique instead of having a proper opinion.

 

[Tonberry]

There's also the recency bias about many things. I cannot allow myself to call something a masterpiece until it gets some age so we'd have a better point of view of the qualities and impact of a game.

I sort of disagree, because I feel that the very definition of something being able to be considered a masterpiece is contemporary. But your approach is valid too.

And if something is truly great then it should be good even if someone finally try it five years after or else it was just good for its epoch.

Sure, but there's no real objectivity to this. The further in the future you are when critiquing old media, the more you have to compare it to (which most people do subconsciously even if they don't want to), while I think that the best way to critiquing old media is by viewing the product through a lens of what was more appropriate when it was new.
It'd be stupid to claim, just for example, that FF7 was automatically workse than FF7R because the graphics are older.

 

[Ikagura]

I sort of disagree, because I feel that the very definition of something being able to be considered a masterpiece is contemporary. But your approach is valid too.

Michelangelo's Sistine is an absolute masterpiece because of how they managed to produce a quality content for its era.

I think a painting made today of the same level would have a "less impressive value" simply because of modern technologies allowing to do this more easily.

Ocarina of Time is still impressive for having put a massive game on a cartridge that didn't have the same storage capacities as a CD on the PS1.

On the other hand Ocarina of Time has 0 voice acting (when console games had it before '98) while still having slow text you cannot speed up and the framerate being at 20 FPS is objectively bad no matter the hardware or epoch (F-zero had constant 60 FPS so that's not even an excuse). Thankfully the 3DS remake had a better framerate (despite the weaker art direction but it's up to the person playing it) and faster text scroll.

I'd even argue that OoT owes ALTTP a lot for many ideas the SNES episode has brought (as well as Link's Awakening for the more prominent usage of a wind instrument and the owl giving you advices) like how MGS had many elements from Metal Gear MSX or how FFVII borrowed elements from both Chrono Trigger and FF VI.

Sure, but there's no real objectivity to this. The further in the future you are when critiquing old media, the more you have to compare it to (which most people do subconsciously even if they don't want to), while I think that the best way to critiquing old media is by viewing the product through a lens of what was more appropriate when it was new.
It'd be stupid to claim, just for example, that FF7 was automatically workse than FF7R because the graphics are older.

I'll say that as important Citizen Kane was for cinema I'd dare saying that aside from personal cinematographic culture I cannot say it could be objectively the best movie ever made, there are too many genres and themes that it would be too complex to properly answer (especially when it's Hollywood-centric most of the time).

I'd dare saying that FF7 Remake has an inferior art direction but that's just me.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Final Fantasy II. While the leveling mechanic is a hassle to manage, in practice, it becomes quite intuitive. What really peeves me about that game is the amount of backtracking and the dungeon layout.

Yes I think the game gets a lot of flak but its quite justified the gameplay isn't the best up until kas'ion I was trying to get maria to not die when touched by the enemy the devs thought its fun idea to make you gain HP only when hit everyone please a hard felt clapping session is needed to congratulate square for that genius design and the dungeons being full of traps I don't give a damn if they want to do me dirty like that I will gladly use the emulator save system to check what's behind that door.

Add on this the underwhelming bosses the weakest bosses up till this point in a final fantasy game I played there is this point in the game where you gain too much stats to the point enemies whether its normal or bosses became mild annoyances that has to be the island of the black mask I stepped into thinking its the dragoons home ended up becoming quite very strong after it.

Lackluster story and a forgettable cast doesn't help the game.

I mean there is no point in talking about the soundtrack I assume everybody knows and expects high quality music from final fantasy title so no point talking about that.

Is it an atrocious game? Well not so much if you are willing to forgive the weak magic damage and other issues my only positive thing about it is you play as a dude wearing a bandana so that's a win I guess.


Still it doesn't deserve a lot of hate (or maybe it does?) I say maybe its a rare case of game reviewers being correct.




But really who takes the words of some dude on YT to heart as a true review for a game? Games can be played in so many ways each player experience is different I had moronic episodes of playing final fantasy games does everyone have them? I don't think so as im not the best at RPG I just stick to assigning roles for the team that are lore accurate and hope it works it always does anyway.

You can solve a problem by shooting I can solve it by hacking the enemy with my steel pipe to death creating a different experience to how we dealt with a certain enemy.

I spammed this unit and got through the level , you played in a very turtle like manner making the level much harder for you.

All in all slowly add up to your final judgement of a game.

 

[Tonberry]

I think a painting made today of the same level would have a "less impressive value" simply because of modern technologies allowing to do this more easily.

Then that's on you. Everyone uses the tools they had at hand at the time.
As I said, there's no true objectivity to be had in art critique.

You don't need to prove anything to me, and you're entitled to whatever opinions you have so I'm not sure why you typed all those examples out. Of course all games have flaws.
My only arbitrary answer is that I think voice acting is a stylistic choice and isn't needed in any game, especially old ones with text.

I'll say that as important Citizen Kane was for cinema I'd dare saying that aside from personal cinematographic culture I cannot say it could be objectively the best movie ever made, there are too many genres and themes that it would be too complex to properly answer (especially when it's Hollywood-centric most of the time).

It's important to remember that "i think this is my favorite" doesn't have to equate to "i think this is the best" and it probably never shouldn't, and there are infact some people that are more qualified to critique something than oneself.
Doesn't mean they're always right of course, but someone who's watched a billion movies is probably in a more knowledgeable position to critique Citizen Kane than someone who's watched a hundred Marvel movies simply because the frame of reference is greater.

 

[Ikagura]

My only arbitrary answer is that I think voice acting is a stylistic choice and isn't needed in any game, especially old ones with text.

Well, you're right about how 90% of voice acting in older games are anecdotal at best or awful at worst.

Not every games could be MGS.

I still find it funny that Link's face in OoT is basically pasted 2D on a model like FF7's Cloud (and Snake has no eyes and doesn't have any labial movement).

It's important to remember that "i think this is my favorite" doesn't have to equate to "i think this is the best" and it probably never shouldn't, and there are infact some people that are more qualified to critique something than oneself.
Doesn't mean they're always right of course, but someone who's watched a billion movies is probably in a more knowledgeable position to critique Citizen Kane than someone who's watched a hundred Marvel movies simply because the frame of reference is greater.

Maybe? I just found CK to be interesting but calling it the best wouldn't be how I'd qualify it.

I'm also the weird one that didn't put The Matrix high above everything like many back then.

But we're digressing with cinema. Before we'll focus back on VG and Youtubers I'd say that as great Bohemian Rhapsody is I cannot put it as the objectively best song ever made.


Also ProJared is, like many youtubers, not the best players.

 

[Tonberry]

as great Bohemian Rhapsody is I cannot put it as the objectively best song ever made

It's not, and this opinion generally comes from young people who thinks this because it's the first accessible progressive rock song they ever heard. It's not even in Queen's top 5! ?

NOW we can return to video games.

 

[PhrawzT]

Dragon Warrior 2, everyone talks about how the story is bad and it's too hard at times. I have played through the SNES version of the game a few months ago, and I only got stuck once and just needed to level up a bit. I enjoyed the game and didn't see what all the hate was about.

 

[Xdqwerty]

And some of the games featured here:

 

[Korova]

Dark Half (Super Famicom), never felt that the hero's story was mediocre or generic. Quite the contrary.