Final Fantasy Thread

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I know its a bit unfair cuz its outdated and made on the tech of the time and what it allowed , many confusing things made it way less better for example i forgot what mallet does.... What does this job offer? Etc there is no text that explains like FF4 and FF5 , i get this is a 1990 product im playing in 2025 its quite sad they didn't remake it to the PS1 like FF1/FF2 with the new tech it would be a lot better visually/audio wise but yeah the way airships work the shadow cave thing the final dungeon all zeroed everything else that made the game ok , not to mention that the game can fuck you over pretty easily like the water dragon temple and needing to buy spells and all that and i nearly softlocked myself in the elder tree boss luckily i had an elixir that saved the day , its stupid that there is no tents and if i switch from a caster to a melee job i lose the spell points and vice versa , i gotta say magic is a lot better than 1/2 and toad can be pretty strong.

Its just these small and big things that made it a 3/10 experince

You should've played the DS/PSP/Mobile remake. It addresses all of your concerns while maintaining the same turn based gameplay and covering the same story.

 

[MasterEn]

You should've played the DS/PSP/Mobile remake. It addresses all of your concerns while maintaining the same turn based gameplay and covering the same story.

not entirely. the psp and i presume the mobile version would be based on the psp one; do fix a few problems, but stuff like the hien boss fight could still softlock; it's not very likely, but it could happen. he has knowledge of that fight, so he can go in better prepared next time. but the job switching now has a sickness phase, for lack of a better phrase. you have to wait from 4 to 16 battles depending on what job you switch from and to. the psp version is definitely the best option, since the new content isn't locked behind the mognet multiplayer thing.
the game will get more difficult as the story progresses, since later bosses get multiple turns per round.

 

[Deleted member 257420]

Ion play this franchise but I like this song that references it

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

You should've played the DS/PSP/Mobile remake. It addresses all of your concerns while maintaining the same turn based gameplay and covering the same story.

I think yeah since my new phone can handle psp emulator most likely in the future i will

not entirely. the psp and i presume the mobile version would be based on the psp one; do fix a few problems, but stuff like the hien boss fight could still softlock; it's not very likely, but it could happen. he has knowledge of that fight, so he can go in better prepared next time. but the job switching now has a sickness phase, for lack of a better phrase. you have to wait from 4 to 16 battles depending on what job you switch from and to. the psp version is definitely the best option, since the new content isn't locked behind the mognet multiplayer thing.
the game will get more difficult as the story progresses, since later bosses get multiple turns per round.

Oh well i guess no more job points cool.

 

[MasterEn]

I think yeah since my new phone can handle psp emulator most likely in the future i will


Oh well i guess no more job points cool.

yeah, no job points; just an adjustment phase for the new job. finishing any battle ticks the counter down so you can fight goblins at the starting area and be done adjusting to the new job in like 5 minutes. jobs also have levels in the remake which have some effects in battle, usually being more accurate and dealing more hits and some jobs like dragon and monk will deal more damage with higher job levels.
stats are also predetermined save for hp; i don't remember if the original was like that or not. the black belt/master monk class also gets the most stamina growth around level 34 which is important since that stat determines how much hp you get per level up and more stamina means a higher chance of getting more hp since that is partially randomized. you'll need a lot since the cloud of darkness gets 4 actions per round and can spam its particle beam 4 times in a row if you are unlucky enough for that to happen.
and that's not taking into account the superboss that was added in. you'll need to be max level to fight it with any amount of success.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Ion play this franchise but I like this song that references it

Trust me you don't want to play this utter piece of garbage called Final Fantasy franchise its a stain on humanity.

I don't know how people keep playing and buying this trash it sold 200 million copies by now like HOW???

Like the games are do bad.... The first game is a mess of a code trying to be a game

The second game tries to have a story but it fails misreably

The third game is a failed attempt at trying to fix the first game by adding a job system like they cant even get the name right instead of calling it classes they call it jobs like????

The fourth is a disaster and argubly the biggest disaster since WW2 that befell humanity like it doesn't even have a mini map...

The fifth game tries to fix the gameplay by adding the job should be called class system but it ends up being a mesh mash of poorly coded and balanced abilities and a story so forgetabble that it gets swept under the rug all the time

The sixith game has the worst villian ever written like he is a clown and he is a bad one he cant even do jokes right he is literally a useless worthless pile of colored meat.

The seventh game is even a worse disaster than the 6th it cant even load the overworld until near 8 hours of gameplay and not to mention magic is restricted by colored balls that fail at adding anything gameplay wise , not to mention the poorly made limit breaks that were first introduced in this game it removes any challenge.

The eigth game is a half assed piss poor attempt at romance driven game literally unplayable.

The ninth game has you play as an annoying insufferable monkey who keeps simping over a dumb princess who doesnt even like him.

And if you thought this torment ends boy wait until you play Final Fantasy tactics its the combination of all of the above but made 10 times worse with 1998 game of thrones kid friendly version , and a gameplay so bad it makes you sigh everytime you play it like they tried to mix strategy with RPG and add their shit job system and what you end up is this unholy piece of awful game.

Oh and it doesnt end here the protags are made with worst qualities in any human the 4th game has you play as a war criminal with self image issues , the 6th game has you play as a green haired teenage girl like WHO IN HIS RIGHT MIND THOUGHT MAKING YOU PLAY AS A GREEN HAIRED TEENAGE GIRL IS A GOOD IDEA????? Oh she also doesnt know jack shit and has self esteem issues the whole game , the 7th game has you play a delelu loser who larps as a elite soldier he is so useless his lover dies in front of his eyes and he does nothing , the 8th game has you play as an autistic kid.

I been playing for near 7/8 months these games not because i like them i just want to see will they ever get good but they never do , i know this asshole IRL who thinks square (the ones behind this mess) are master craftsmen who create the best RPGs ever , he is just that stupid that he thinks these games are worth anything..... More than belonging to the trash.

They cant even get the charcters right the dude in the poster of the first game is supposed to be this stupid warrior guy and its been near 40 years and despite all the remakes and re-releases they still cant draw his armor correctly to be in line with the cover art like do you expect them to a good game if they cant even fix this detail???

Everytime i finished one of these games i tear up not because i loved the game and finished a great adventure no because i figure i had the strength to go through these piles of trash and sink 50 hours in each one.

Everytime i beat one i end up feeling empty afterwards not because i beaten a great game but because i know i wasted another month playing a series with games that never get good but i keep expecting them to do like an idiot....

Everytime i beat one of the Final Fantasy games i get the urge to jump from the window so i can forget the memory about me playing this heresy.... All in all never play Final Fantasy trust me it will make your life worse.

 

[starseeker300]

@Pandaprewmaster325 @MasterEn @Mopeybloke @Strategist

On FF3(I only played the 3d remake btw for clarification's sake), I thinks that its the worst of the mainline ff games that I have played (1-5, 13 trilogy, and 15, and I'm also gonna say that I've played the first Bravely Default as well because its relevant to this discussion)

of the Job based games, FF1 is more unique in that you are locked into your jobs for the entire playthrough and both ff5 and bravely default do a job change system better by making every job more or less unique in some way. Out of the 22 jobs in the game (23 in the remake because it adds freelancer), 8 are just upgraded versions of previous jobs making them redundant, and 2 of those eight make all other jobs redundant, and then the red mage job is rendered useless by sage as well. Finally there is scholar, which only exists because of a gimmick for one boss in the entire game. so that's 7 out of the 22 jobs that are completely useless by the end of the game, oh and sage and ninja still outclass most of the other ones except for maybe black belt.

The gameplay is very gimmicky, in this dungeon you have to shrink down which makes physically classes useless, in this dungeon you have to turn into frogs which makes it just plain awful, in this dungeon you have to fight the boss 3 times, for this boss battle you have to use scholar, for this boss battle you have to use dragoon, etc. It leaves no room for experimentation, which is in my opinion half the point of the job based final fantasy games, for example in bravely default i tried a strategy where i used the move that attacks with your defense and double equipped shields and turned my characters into ICBMs, and in FF5, I beat the final boss with a party of all red mages plus the fact that the mimic class exists in that game as well, and even in FF2 i made guy a white mage/monk hybrid and Ricard into a pseudo Dark Knight. FF3 would never let you do anything like that, you have to use what the game s wants you to, when the game wants you to, it misses the point of a job/class system: to experiment.

And lastly the story is nothing special, it just feels like a different draft of FF1's story, though I do have one good thing to say here, when you leave the floating continent for the first time and see how big the world is compared to it and that it just looks like one town on the world map, and that up to this point you were just a big fish in a small pond, is probably one of my favorite story moments in the franchise from what I have played. But, that belies the problem as well, its the only memorable moment from that game, all the other ff games have multiple memorable story scenes or moments that stick with you, where i can barely remember the general outline of ff3's story and will probably completely forget it in a couple years

Overall I would go as far to say FF3, regardless of the version you are playing, is just a worse version of FF1. I genuinely think that it could be skipped by someone wanting to playthrough all the mainline ff games and they would lose nothing overall despite the one moment where you leave the floating continent for the first time

 

[snes9x]

Good post. I've only played like 45 minutes of III's 3D remake but it's something (along with I and II) I'll eventually get to just for completion's sake.

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I am a slave to this accursed franchise

 

[MasterEn]

@Pandaprewmaster325 @MasterEn @Mopeybloke @Strategist

On FF3(I only played the 3d remake btw for clarification's sake), I thinks that its the worst of the mainline ff games that I have played (1-5, 13 trilogy, and 15, and I'm also gonna say that I've played the first Bravely Default as well because its relevant to this discussion)

of the Job based games, FF1 is more unique in that you are locked into your jobs for the entire playthrough and both ff5 and bravely default do a job change system better by making every job more or less unique in some way. Out of the 22 jobs in the game (23 in the remake because it adds freelancer), 8 are just upgraded versions of previous jobs making them redundant, and 2 of those eight make all other jobs redundant, and then the red mage job is rendered useless by sage as well. Finally there is scholar, which only exists because of a gimmick for one boss in the entire game. so that's 7 out of the 22 jobs that are completely useless by the end of the game, oh and sage and ninja still outclass most of the other ones except for maybe black belt.

The gameplay is very gimmicky, in this dungeon you have to shrink down which makes physically classes useless, in this dungeon you have to turn into frogs which makes it just plain awful, in this dungeon you have to fight the boss 3 times, for this boss battle you have to use scholar, for this boss battle you have to use dragoon, etc. It leaves no room for experimentation, which is in my opinion half the point of the job based final fantasy games, for example in bravely default i tried a strategy where i used the move that attacks with your defense and double equipped shields and turned my characters into ICBMs, and in FF5, I beat the final boss with a party of all red mages plus the fact that the mimic class exists in that game as well, and even in FF2 i made guy a white mage/monk hybrid and Ricard into a pseudo Dark Knight. FF3 would never let you do anything like that, you have to use what the game s wants you to, when the game wants you to, it misses the point of a job/class system: to experiment.

And lastly the story is nothing special, it just feels like a different draft of FF1's story, though I do have one good thing to say here, when you leave the floating continent for the first time and see how big the world is compared to it and that it just looks like one town on the world map, and that up to this point you were just a big fish in a small pond, is probably one of my favorite story moments in the franchise from what I have played. But, that belies the problem as well, its the only memorable moment from that game, all the other ff games have multiple memorable story scenes or moments that stick with you, where i can barely remember the general outline of ff3's story and will probably completely forget it in a couple years

Overall I would go as far to say FF3, regardless of the version you are playing, is just a worse version of FF1. I genuinely think that it could be skipped by someone wanting to playthrough all the mainline ff games and they would lose nothing overall despite the one moment where you leave the floating continent for the first time

yep. this is all true. i could argue the ds version is just as bad as the nes version due to the onion knight class being locked behind the mognet along with the job exclusive weapons and gear and the training dungeon where you can get elixirs and onion knight gear. 45 hours into the game, level 60, and due to the absurd difficulty bonus that they gave to the late game bosses, it's nearly impossible to beat the final boss without extreme luck.
the psp version sets the extra content to unlock as you play through the game, which makes it a better choice to playthrough.
i will say that it is good for ff3 to exist, since it lays out the job system which is vastly improved upon in 5, tactics, tactics advance 1 and 2, 10-2 and 12's zodiac version. it bears the brunt of the imperfections and flaws which would have hurt the later instalments if it was held back from implementing them so early on.
that and some drawings that i made are based on a couple of classes from the game that i added to my art galleries on deviantart and newgrounds; a couple of which are some of my favorite drawings that i made so far. so, ff3 is a necessary evil to have in the franchise, a painful route on the journey to better games.

 

[MrBird]

FF3 is the definition of a halfway point between 1 and 5. You're not locked into your jobs like 1, but it's not as flexible as 5's Job System.

 

[Tonberry]

Trust me you don't want to play this utter piece of garbage called Final Fantasy franchise its a stain on humanity.

I don't know how people keep playing and buying this trash it sold 200 million copies by now like HOW???

Like the games are do bad.... The first game is a mess of a code trying to be a game

The second game tries to have a story but it fails misreably

The third game is a failed attempt at trying to fix the first game by adding a job system like they cant even get the name right instead of calling it classes they call it jobs like????

The fourth is a disaster and argubly the biggest disaster since WW2 that befell humanity like it doesn't even have a mini map...

The fifth game tries to fix the gameplay by adding the job should be called class system but it ends up being a mesh mash of poorly coded and balanced abilities and a story so forgetabble that it gets swept under the rug all the time

The sixith game has the worst villian ever written like he is a clown and he is a bad one he cant even do jokes right he is literally a useless worthless pile of colored meat.

The seventh game is even a worse disaster than the 6th it cant even load the overworld until near 8 hours of gameplay and not to mention magic is restricted by colored balls that fail at adding anything gameplay wise , not to mention the poorly made limit breaks that were first introduced in this game it removes any challenge.

The eigth game is a half assed piss poor attempt at romance driven game literally unplayable.

The ninth game has you play as an annoying insufferable monkey who keeps simping over a dumb princess who doesnt even like him.

And if you thought this torment ends boy wait until you play Final Fantasy tactics its the combination of all of the above but made 10 times worse with 1998 game of thrones kid friendly version , and a gameplay so bad it makes you sigh everytime you play it like they tried to mix strategy with RPG and add their shit job system and what you end up is this unholy piece of awful game.

Oh and it doesnt end here the protags are made with worst qualities in any human the 4th game has you play as a war criminal with self image issues , the 6th game has you play as a green haired teenage girl like WHO IN HIS RIGHT MIND THOUGHT MAKING YOU PLAY AS A GREEN HAIRED TEENAGE GIRL IS A GOOD IDEA????? Oh she also doesnt know jack shit and has self esteem issues the whole game , the 7th game has you play a delelu loser who larps as a elite soldier he is so useless his lover dies in front of his eyes and he does nothing , the 8th game has you play as an autistic kid.

I been playing for near 7/8 months these games not because i like them i just want to see will they ever get good but they never do , i know this asshole IRL who thinks square (the ones behind this mess) are master craftsmen who create the best RPGs ever , he is just that stupid that he thinks these games are worth anything..... More than belonging to the trash.

They cant even get the charcters right the dude in the poster of the first game is supposed to be this stupid warrior guy and its been near 40 years and despite all the remakes and re-releases they still cant draw his armor correctly to be in line with the cover art like do you expect them to a good game if they cant even fix this detail???

Everytime i finished one of these games i tear up not because i loved the game and finished a great adventure no because i figure i had the strength to go through these piles of trash and sink 50 hours in each one.

Everytime i beat one i end up feeling empty afterwards not because i beaten a great game but because i know i wasted another month playing a series with games that never get good but i keep expecting them to do like an idiot....

Everytime i beat one of the Final Fantasy games i get the urge to jump from the window so i can forget the memory about me playing this heresy.... All in all never play Final Fantasy trust me it will make your life worse.

 

[fake-chan]

Trust me you don't want to play this utter piece of garbage called Final Fantasy franchise its a stain on humanity.

I don't know how people keep playing and buying this trash it sold 200 million copies by now like HOW???

Like the games are do bad.... The first game is a mess of a code trying to be a game

The second game tries to have a story but it fails misreably

The third game is a failed attempt at trying to fix the first game by adding a job system like they cant even get the name right instead of calling it classes they call it jobs like????

The fourth is a disaster and argubly the biggest disaster since WW2 that befell humanity like it doesn't even have a mini map...

The fifth game tries to fix the gameplay by adding the job should be called class system but it ends up being a mesh mash of poorly coded and balanced abilities and a story so forgetabble that it gets swept under the rug all the time

The sixith game has the worst villian ever written like he is a clown and he is a bad one he cant even do jokes right he is literally a useless worthless pile of colored meat.

The seventh game is even a worse disaster than the 6th it cant even load the overworld until near 8 hours of gameplay and not to mention magic is restricted by colored balls that fail at adding anything gameplay wise , not to mention the poorly made limit breaks that were first introduced in this game it removes any challenge.

The eigth game is a half assed piss poor attempt at romance driven game literally unplayable.

The ninth game has you play as an annoying insufferable monkey who keeps simping over a dumb princess who doesnt even like him.

And if you thought this torment ends boy wait until you play Final Fantasy tactics its the combination of all of the above but made 10 times worse with 1998 game of thrones kid friendly version , and a gameplay so bad it makes you sigh everytime you play it like they tried to mix strategy with RPG and add their shit job system and what you end up is this unholy piece of awful game.

Oh and it doesnt end here the protags are made with worst qualities in any human the 4th game has you play as a war criminal with self image issues , the 6th game has you play as a green haired teenage girl like WHO IN HIS RIGHT MIND THOUGHT MAKING YOU PLAY AS A GREEN HAIRED TEENAGE GIRL IS A GOOD IDEA????? Oh she also doesnt know jack shit and has self esteem issues the whole game , the 7th game has you play a delelu loser who larps as a elite soldier he is so useless his lover dies in front of his eyes and he does nothing , the 8th game has you play as an autistic kid.

I been playing for near 7/8 months these games not because i like them i just want to see will they ever get good but they never do , i know this asshole IRL who thinks square (the ones behind this mess) are master craftsmen who create the best RPGs ever , he is just that stupid that he thinks these games are worth anything..... More than belonging to the trash.

They cant even get the charcters right the dude in the poster of the first game is supposed to be this stupid warrior guy and its been near 40 years and despite all the remakes and re-releases they still cant draw his armor correctly to be in line with the cover art like do you expect them to a good game if they cant even fix this detail???

Everytime i finished one of these games i tear up not because i loved the game and finished a great adventure no because i figure i had the strength to go through these piles of trash and sink 50 hours in each one.

Everytime i beat one i end up feeling empty afterwards not because i beaten a great game but because i know i wasted another month playing a series with games that never get good but i keep expecting them to do like an idiot....

Everytime i beat one of the Final Fantasy games i get the urge to jump from the window so i can forget the memory about me playing this heresy.... All in all never play Final Fantasy trust me it will make your life worse.

Are you okay?

 

[Tonberry]

mfw all these bustas hating on my beloved FF3

 

[Sheepy765]

Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light is a great game. I wish it would get a rerelease.

 

[Tonberry]

Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light is a great game. I wish it would get a rerelease.

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I never played it but I love the storybook aesthetic. One of my favorite looking DS games for sure.

 

[Sheepy765]

I never played it but I love the storybook aesthetic. One of my favorite looking DS games for sure.

I feel like a remake on switch would be perfect for it. A cozy game to pick up and play for a little bit while in bed after a long day or something along those lines.

 

[snes9x]

Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light is a great game. I wish it would get a rerelease.

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I forgot the reason but I couldn't get into it at all despite wanting to like it. Something to do with the combat

 

[Sheepy765]

I forgot the reason but I couldn't get into it at all despite wanting to like it. Something to do with the combat

It handles combat very differently from other Final Fantasy games. It’s turn based but instead of MP you just have energy orbs that you manage by attacking and defending.

 

[queensquest]

I played 4 Heroes of Light at release but remember so little about it. I also love the artstyle, though - I should go back and replay it.

At the moment I've re-playing FFIV on the PSP using a difficulty patch I found on gamefaqs. It was a thread on here about the best versions of FFIV a few weeks ago that reminded me I had downloaded this patch in the past and never got around to trying it. I'm only up to the bit where the twins join you, but so far it seems really well-balanced - makes the game harder, but not excessively so like a lot of fan-made difficulty patches.

 

[Zarathusta]

Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light is a great game. I wish it would get a rerelease.

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First jrpg l played in japanese pretty fun jrpg!
Sadly l think bravely default has overshadowed it so its probably never getting a re release.

 

[MasterEn]

First jrpg l played in japanese pretty fun jrpg!
Sadly l think bravely default has overshadowed it so its probably never getting a re release.

nowadays it is, but it was quite popular back in the day; and it even surprised the higher up as square enix buy selling well and being well received by gamers. they actually thought that people wouldn't want an old school kind of game to play.

 

[Required Username]

Haven't read through all 40 pages but has FF13 been shit on yet?
Not enough if so. Worst game in the series by far.
Only good thing about 13 was we could no longer say 8 was the worst main line entry.
(10 is the best, in my opinion).

 

[MasterEn]

Haven't read through all 40 pages but has FF13 been shit on yet?
Not enough if so. Worst game in the series by far.
Only good thing about 13 was we could no longer say 8 was the worst main line entry.
(10 is the best, in my opinion).

somewhat; mainly by me. i had 7 as the worst until 13 came along. 8 never got remotely enough time to finish cooking. it was supposed to be 8 discs long; and it's barely 3 and a half discs long upon release.

 

[Required Username]

somewhat; mainly by me. i had 7 as the worst until 13 came along. 8 never got remotely enough time to finish cooking. it was supposed to be 8 discs long; and it's barely 3 and a half discs long upon release.

Interesting, I never knew that. That helps to explain some things with that mess.
I mainly disliked the story with 8, but 13 was just a mess all over; combat, story, characters, pacing, everything.

 

[Zarathusta]

Haven't read through all 40 pages but has FF13 been shit on yet?
Not enough if so. Worst game in the series by far.
Only good thing about 13 was we could no longer say 8 was the worst main line entry.
(10 is the best, in my opinion).

I replayed back in japanese like 5 years ago.
I have played worse jrpgs to be honest l really like the combat and the music.
The story and characters are pretty lame though l do like lightning.