Favorite old films?

I think the 90s and early 00s should count. There are people posting on this board who weren't alive at that time.
That may be true, but that doesn't make them "old." You don't end up in a retirement home just because you're over 20. And if a film isn't significantly different from a recent film, can it really be consider that old?

I remember there was a huge controversy over some studio claiming they were going to make a new film of American Psycho. The big complaint was that the existing one was made so recently, with so little changed about cinema that would matter to the film, that there was no point in making it again. That goes to show that on a base level, films from that time aren't really that much different from what we have now.

My criteria for what makes a film old are ① it was made in a time of little or no CGI, ② camera technology was not advanced enough to have high resolution❉ and no grain effect, and ③ lighting and color correction could not be done digitally yet (or at least didn't resemble modern methods). At most, you can include some films from the beginning of the 90s as old, but once you get to 1991 (release of Terminator 2: Judgment Day), those criteria start to disappear.

❉ I know some film can be converted to high resolution, but not all; not everyone used high quality 35MM.
 
That may be true, but that doesn't make them "old." You don't end up in a retirement home just because you're over 20. And if a film isn't significantly different from a recent film, can it really be consider that old?
Then why a movie from 1999 would be considered retro while a 2005 one wouldn't be?

My criteria for what makes a film old are ① it was made in a time of little or no CGI, ② camera technology was not advanced enough to have high resolution❉ and no grain effect, and ③ lighting and color correction could not be done digitally yet (or at least didn't resemble modern methods). At most, you can include some films from the beginning of the 90s as old, but once you get to 1991 (release of Terminator 2: Judgment Day), those criteria start to disappear.
So what about a movie from today with little to no CGI, using film over digital cameras as well as no color correction?
 
I think I would casually define "old movies" as being at least pre-90's, if only because Netflix and other streaming services offer an incredibly small collection of anything before that decade. If it wasn't a smash hit or an Oscar winner, it's not really a part of modern offerings. (TCM on HBO Max excluded.)
 
Cause we're getting old! I'm becoming like a less racist version of Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino. All these kids need to get off my lawn!
Kids these days couldn't tell a Merchant-Ivory production from an MGM musical roadshow presentation!
 
I think I would casually define "old movies" as being at least pre-90's, if only because Netflix and other streaming services offer an incredibly small collection of anything before that decade. If it wasn't a smash hit or an Oscar winner, it's not really a part of modern offerings. (TCM on HBO Max excluded.)
I disagree sorry.

the 90's had some cultural elements and camera you don't see nowadays. CGIs or not.

I didn't see Starship Troopers or Forrest Gump thinking it could fit as a modern movie simply because they were not made from this century alone.
 
Well, my point is more that the broad availability still makes them part of the modern conversation. Like, to be pedantic, everything feels culturally removed after a bit of time and major world events.
 
CGIs were used in the 80's (like in Tron) so this is quite arbitrary.

90's movies (and even pre-HD early 00's) had a different look and feel from today (yes, even if TLotR looks modern for it).
CGI was used in the 70s (wireframe in the Star Wars trench run demo and the opening credits of Superman), but it was still very primitive. Modern CGI was barely used until the 90s. (Honestly, not enough people watched Willow for it to catch on until T2.)

There were artistic differences (such as the "90s cool" look of The Matrix, X-Men, etc), but the tech was basically the same. The only big change has been digital cameras, and the effect of them is replicated in remasters of 90s/00s films. (Ironically, early digital films like 28 Days Later and Attack of the Clones look more dated than these remasters.)

It's been fifteen years since the 2000s ended, I think we can consider them old (:
The rule used by historians is that it's not "history" if it happened less than 20 years ago; it's just current events which will eventually be history. That said, artistic movements don't fit into perfect numerical barriers; just look at how literary scholars can't decide if the post-modern era (1945 to ????) ended yet or not.

I've noticed that psychologically we're all acting as if the year 2000 is still the present for decades.

We've either stagnated or the psychology behind the turn of the millennium made us less far from it than the last century.

For music, it's a result of music technology stagnating. We've had 2 big changes in music tech since the early 00s: improved voice synthesizer software (such as Vocaloid) and AI. Neither of these have made big waves in mainstream music, as both are opposed by a lot of singer/songwriters and even by most of their fans. And pretty much all "new" genres that have emerged are just variants of older genres (synthwave, vaporwave, etc). So we essentially aren't getting "new" music because we haven't advanced the technology to the point that artists can/will/want to make anything "new."

(Note: This is not some rant against Vocaloid or anything mentioned above; I'm just explaining why it hasn't changed mainstream music worldwide.)

Then why a movie from 1999 would be considered retro while a 2005 one wouldn't be?


So what about a movie from today with little to no CGI, using film over digital cameras as well as no color correction?
Good question. There's a movie called The House of the Devil (2009) that I would recommend watching. It is extremely meticulous in making itself look like an early 80s film, down to the pacing being slowed down to the time's standard. So without context, you would assume it was an 80s film. But realistically, it is not. A really good imitation is not the real thing. The time period it was made in also matters because we're talking about old, not old cosplay.

Kids these days couldn't tell a Merchant-Ivory production from an MGM musical roadshow presentation!
Ya, so many kids these days claim Fritz the Cat is their favorite Disney film.

I disagree sorry.

the 90's had some cultural elements and camera you don't see nowadays. CGIs or not.

I didn't see Starship Troopers or Forrest Gump thinking it could fit as a modern movie simply because they were not made from this century alone.
You are right that the culture is different. That's especially true if you watch comedies or tech thrillers. But the technology used to make the films isn't too different, especially when compared to previous decades. The high quality 35MM film that became the Hollywood standard by then transfers very well to digital form, and color correction and lighting were much better than in decades past. (Only night shots stand out as looking different, as extreme low light shots were not yet possible.)

Starship Troopers was a future sci-fi movie. Forrest Gump was a period piece. They wouldn't be much different if filmed today.
 
CGI was used in the 70s (wireframe in the Star Wars trench run demo and the opening credits of Superman), but it was still very primitive. Modern CGI was barely used until the 90s. (Honestly, not enough people watched Willow for it to catch on until T2.)

The CGI for the trench run was obviously wireframe and likely coded in BASIC, capturing the various frames (which were slow as balls to calculate on early 8bit hardware 3D Demos) and used as a presentation rather than replacing most of the screen.

Other than the presence of modern hardware (well, laptops and computers) Wargames and Hackers would probably be in the same vein, where it's a set-piece and not doing heavy lifting on the screen itself.

CGIs were used in the 80's (like in Tron) so this is quite arbitrary.

Yeah obviously rough around the edges and quite primitive, although some of the tech was quite advanced for the time a lot of Tron's original style was a mix of what they had to do for capture and getting the look/feel among dozens of layers of work to make. Using something that wasn't quite ready but pushed for advancement in CGI.

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Course the premise of there being a universe inside computer chips vaguely working in tandum with programs we make, is quite a fruity level of silly sci-fi conjecture. But i did rather enjoy Reboot, so i like some of that fruity conjecture.

Though I'll agree each decade of CGI up to 2000 had their own look feel and jankiness to them. Though Jurassic Park and Terminator 2 did the best jobs in my mind.
 
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Amadeus is a really good one. My favorite movie because it's one of the only movie experiences I've had where I completely forgot the world around me and was just in this movie's world for ~3 hours. The setting and the costuming and everything is so good. It's a story where there really are no 'good guys' in it, so you can kind of just watch it unfold without picking a side.

Duel is an early Spielberg movie, maybe his first? Anyway, it's about a guy in a little car being chased by a menacing big rig. The premise sounds super dumb and maybe it is, but I liked how intense it got. If you've ever had troubles in an old car, bits of this will probably resonate with you.

Hell in the Pacific is one about two soldiers, one American and one Japanese, being stuck on an island together during World War II and tells their story. One of those movies you land on while channel surfing and the next thing you know, you're tracking it down to see the first part you missed.

La Jetee is a short one that is about an airport and it's almost more of a slide show presentation than a movie, but it's really good. Short enough to say 'just watch it.'

Cleo From 5 to 7 is a 1962 French film about a lady awaiting the details of her cancer biopsy, so it kind of follows her around for the whole movie. It's interesting as a slice of life, and also to see old architecture and cars, etc.
For me, too, Duel is one of my all-time favorite films along with many others. The atmosphere is made even darker because of the absence of music throughout the feature...almost like a famous Coen Brothers thriller.
 
You can have many interpretations of a work of art, but there are some that are just wrong on more than one level.
To chime in on this general discussion:

There’s the old line "there’s no bad publicity" which unfortunately applies to depicting literally anything in media. When you have movies like falling down, starship troopers, taxi driver, fight club etc. or a character like homelander in the boys to name a recent example of this, no matter how obvious you make your point as an author, how obvious the satire is, not everyone will get it and in turn will see the horrible things the characters say and do as aspirational rather than as a warning. In the same vein it’s virtually impossible to make an anti-war movie because of that. Full Metal jacket was very successfully used as a recruitment tool for the marines.

Btw it’s really funny to hear the term pre-hd for movies shot on celluloid because when you look at good scans of old movies they look incredibly crisp. 35mm film can easily be scanned at 4K without any loss of quality. 70mm even more. IMAX? Just ridiculous. If you think older movies automatically look low-res, lack color, are very grainy you’re not watching quality sources.

Also, just a sidenote: modern movies have a lot more cgi than you would think. Like so much more than you could imagine. To illustrate this: Forrest Gump has probably more visual effects shots than Jurassic park.

Even movies that use "no cgi" as a marketing gimmick use it a whole lot, it’s just become invisible. CGI has always been a marketing term. No one in the industry uses it. If someone wants to sell you a movie "without cgi" they’re trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
 
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To chime in on this general discussion:

There’s the old line "there’s no bad publicity" which unfortunately applies to depicting literally anything in media. When you have movies like falling down, starship troopers, taxi driver, fight club etc. or a character like homelander in the boys to name a recent example of this, no matter how obvious you make your point as an author, how obvious the satire is, not everyone will get it and in turn will see the horrible things the characters say and do as aspirational rather than as a warning. In the same vein it’s virtually impossible to make an anti-war movie because of that. Full Metal jacket was very successfully used as a recruitment tool for the marines.

There's a value in a movie working on the surface level as entertainment while having a deeper message for those who want to dig into those.
 
It's funny, I have no problem considering video games from my childhood "retro".
But any film that was made in my lifetime? "That isn't old!"

I'm not sure why this is. Maybe because film has been around a lot longer?
 
It's funny, I have no problem considering video games from my childhood "retro".
But any film that was made in my lifetime? "That isn't old!"

I'm not sure why this is. Maybe because film has been around a lot longer?
The basic language of cinema hasn’t changed all that much in the last 25 years compared to when motion pictures first evolved. Sure, certain gimmicks and trends have come and gone in that time but it’s more of an accent than a new dialect.

By contrast games have evolved a lot in that same time, well, with the exception of a couple of mainstream franchises and genres that are still using the same recipes as in the ps3 days.
 
To chime in on this general discussion:

There’s the old line "there’s no bad publicity" which unfortunately applies to depicting literally anything in media. When you have movies like falling down, starship troopers, taxi driver, fight club etc. or a character like homelander in the boys to name a recent example of this, no matter how obvious you make your point as an author, how obvious the satire is, not everyone will get it and in turn will see the horrible things the characters say and do as aspirational rather than as a warning. In the same vein it’s virtually impossible to make an anti-war movie because of that. Full Metal jacket was very successfully used as a recruitment tool for the marines.

Btw it’s really funny to hear the term pre-hd for movies shot on celluloid because when you look at good scans of old movies they look incredibly crisp. 35mm film can easily be scanned at 4K without any loss of quality. 70mm even more. IMAX? Just ridiculous. If you think older movies automatically look low-res, lack color, are very grainy you’re not watching quality sources.

Also, just a sidenote: modern movies have a lot more cgi than you would think. Like so much more than you could imagine. To illustrate this: Forrest Gump has probably more visual effects shots than Jurassic park.

Even movies that use "no cgi" as a marketing gimmick use it a whole lot, it’s just become invisible. CGI has always been a marketing term. No one in the industry uses it. If someone wants to sell you a movie "without cgi" they’re trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
Yes, there are always people who don't get art. But I'd hardly say that isn't bad for that art. Like I said, Verhoeven was not okay with people taking the total opposite perspective on ST, especially since it put his own reputation at risk.

As for anti-war films ,that is mostly true. The issue is that Hollywood constantly puts these films before test audiences, a group of artless idiots who want to be coddled with all the comforts of a kids' film even when watching serious art. So they whine about how the film is not doing its duty to show war as a good thing, and the director needs to make the "hero" come out a better person despite everything wrong, and the film becomes a feel-good safety blanket instead of what it was supposed to be. There are rare exceptions, though, so it's not 100% impossible.

There's a value in a movie working on the surface level as entertainment while having a deeper message for those who want to dig into those.
That's fine and all most of the time. There are a few problems, though. One is when the people who are there for just the entertainment do a poor interpretation of the work and mangle the message in the public eye. Another is when the message itself is pretty bad and gets overlooked by the public in favor of mere entertainment.
 
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been watching a lot of older movies recently (1960's-1980's mainly) to broaden my horizons (& theyre also very easy to watch online mostly) and wanted a place to talk them & get some recommendations. there isn't a specific genre or timeframe im referring to, interested in seeing more non-english works tho. anyways go crazy im curious what you guys have seen

I'm a huuuge John Waters fan, rewatched Hairspray (1988) today and it was so funny. I also love Female Trouble (1974). America's sweetheart, Divine (rip) kicks ass in both of these.
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High and Low (1963) by Akira Kurosawa was really good & suspensful, i have a few of his films saved on the internet archive that i've been meaning to watch.

lastly, What ever happened to Baby Jane? (1962) by Robert Aldrich is a new comfort classic for me, something about watching a lady go increasingly off the rails for an hour is so appealing to me lol
if you haven't seen it yet, i recommend the movie boeing, boeing, boeing from 1965. very funny movie with tony curtis and jerry lewis.it's about a man engaged to 3 women at the same time, and they all live in the same apartment and each woman doesn't even know about the other women, you may wonder how is that even possible? but they are all flight attendants. so they are in the air traveling while only one is at home.but even so it makes for a very chaotic way of living, he has his friend help him and it's still hard to juggle 3 women without them knowing about the other women.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVloiDfJDgk
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if you haven't seen it yet, i recommend the movie boeing, boeing, boeing from 1965. very funny movie with tony curtis and jerry lewis.it's about a man engaged to 3 women at the same time, and they all live in the same apartment and each woman doesn't even know about the other women, you may wonder how is that even possible? but they are all flight attendants. so they are in the air traveling while only one is at home.but even so it makes for a very chaotic way of living, he has his friend help him and it's still hard to juggle 3 women without them knowing about the other women.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVloiDfJDgk
 
A collection of various older films I've seen and notably liked:

-The original Star Wars and Indiana Jones trilogies (Gee what a surprise)
-Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Really high up there as one of the funniest films I've ever seen.
-Spaceballs, Robin Hood: Men in Tights, and The Producers (1967) are also all good honorable mentions for that title as well.
-A handful of Hitchcock films, but in particular Rear Window, North by Northwest, and The Lady Vanishes stand out among my favorites.
-The Goonies: There's really not much for me to say here that you probably haven't already heard from anyone else that loves this movie. Just a generally really solid misfit coming of age adventure story.
-The Great Race (1965): If you like the idea of a slapstick comedy about two rival daredevils getting into a race from New York to Paris then you'll probably enjoy this one. Wouldn't be surprised if it was an inspiration for Wacky Races.
-12 Angry Men (1957): Easily one of my favorite movies as well, and something I've only learned to appreciate and love more the more I've watched it, especially with its cinematography.
-Goodbye, Mr. Chips (1939): A surprisingly emotional, heartwarming, and extensive look at the life of a private schoolteacher. This one actually really caught me by surprise with the degree to which I enjoyed it.
-The Maltese Falcon (1941): I'd generally say this movie lives up to its reputation of being one of the best noir films out there.
-The Thin Man (1934) and its sequels: Though all six of these films are definitely not equal, I'd still say they're all at least notably enjoyable. The first three in particular feel stronger than the last three.
-To Kill a Mockingbird (1962): Not much to say about this that hasn't been said a thousand times.
-Arsenic and Old Lace (1944): Another film I find particularly hilarious, though this is definitely more of a black comedy. If you like the idea of some old ladies murdering old bachelors and comedic hijinks coming from that, you'll have a good time.
-In the Heat of the Night (1967): This is a really strong murder mystery with even stronger acting.
-Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939): This film in particularly surprised me given that there really aren't very many films of this era that do focus on the U.S. political system that are also willing to be blatantly critical of it. Definitely well worth the watch, especially for any Jimmy Stewart fans out there.
-Harvey (1950): A very thoroughly enjoyable movie about a man and his invisible friend having a great time together :)
-The Thing (1982): God, I love good body horror. And psychological horror.
-Death of a Salesman (1985): This was a TV film, so it might be a little hard to find, but it's a very solid adaptation of the play of the same name.
-The Dirty Dozen (1967): This is a great action film that has a really good focus on its characters. If you've ever wanted a film conceptually similar (Hell, likely even direct inspiration for) something like the Suicide Squad, but as a WWII film, this is what you're looking for.
-Them! (1954): A movie about giant radioactive ants trying to take over civilization as we know it? Hell yeah.
-Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977): Outside of the general praise that this film has gotten for decades, I'll say this is a particularly nostalgic feeling movie for me. Definitely one of the first live action films I can remember seeing that wasn't Star Wars.
-Top Secret! (1984): If you like Airplane! style spoof films, you'll probably have a good time here.
-Johnny Dangerously (1984): This is another parody film, but it's a lot less about specific films and more about parodying the general concept of mafia/organized crime movies. Also one of the first films to be rated PG-13, and Weird Al wrote the song "This Is the Life" (which also happens to be my favorite song of his) for this movie specifically.
-Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970): I'll admit, as a movie, I can't necessarily say this is absolutely the most enjoyable watch, but if you have an interest in history, in particular WWII and more specifically Pearl Harbor, you'll probably want to give it a watch sometime. As far as Hollywood war movies go, it's one of the most accurate when compared to what part of history it's trying to portray, and the events leading up to the attack on Pearl Harbor are definitely generally less talked about than what comes after.
-M*A*S*H (1970): Honestly, I just love the general attitude that this film has. The complete unwillingness to take anything even remotely seriously is something I find thoroughly entertaining.
-Fantastic Planet (1973): This movie is, just plainly put, fantastic all around.
 
For non-animated movies:
  • ’Wizard of Oz’ is one of my favorite films, so that probably an easy pick.
  • I also like ”Il Postino” a lot, but it’s newer than I remembered, releasing in 1994.
  • ’Conan the Barbarian’ from 1982 is one of my favorites, but science fiction or fantasy seems like such easy picks in general.
  • I watched ’The Last Temptation of Christ’ from 1988 last year and greatly enjoyed it.

My brother has been getting into watching a lot of movies lately and we’ve been talking about going through a lot of classical pre-1970s movies, so I’ll probably have more to go on once we do that.
 
Uhhhh… does Alien even count? I know it’s 1979, but it’s STILL 1979. People on this forum probably saw it around that time, so I don’t think it can be considered THAT old.

I’ve recently been reminded as to why 1954’s Godzilla is still a classic. Good movie, that one.

I’ve been meaning to get around to older films. Stuff from the 30’s, specifically. The issue is me being lazy and obsessed with other stuff, so I keep pushing it back.
 
The OP clearly defined pre 1990s movies and you're all writing essays?
Disney's The Brave Little Toaster from 1987 was an example of peak American animation and I am so glad that to my knowledge the franchise has been allowed to die peacefully without being tarnished and ruined by the modern wolrd.
 
Cool to see Kurosawa mentioned. Rashoumon left a very strong impression in me. I rewatch it from time to time. It draws upon heavy themes and invites self-reflection, as well as being cleverly told and laid out.

Others I can remember liking very much are Blade Runner (I know it doesn't fit the period stipulated exactly, but eh) mostly by virtue of Rutger Hauer's strong performance as Roy Batty. Conversely, I always thought Sean Young was absolutely the weakest link in that movie.

12 Angry Men is another classic I enjoy. It strikes me as the prototypical courtroom drama kind of affair, and it has been emulated heavily within this particular subgenre.

Clockwork Orange is the kind of uncomfortable food for thought; it asks very uncomfortable questions about control, freedom and the human nature in general.

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I read the Clockwork orange book last year and the story continues after the movie ends?
Some of the earlier novel prints omit the final chapter for being unrealistically positive. The version of the novel Kubric used as a basis for his movie was one such.
 

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