Do you like the paranormal?

[thecrow2313]

This is the best way to see this imo.


It will probably turn political to claim that because some people just hate how some believes that science could rationalise everything (either from some heavily religious people or just because they think that all scientists are behind one big conspiracy or something like that).

I can understand your viewpoint. I had taken my atheist friend to a haunted place, let's just say he became a believer.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I can understand your viewpoint. I had taken my atheist friend to a haunted place, let's just say he became a believer.

There are always explanations.

I mean the will-o'-wisp has been explained despite having been said to be wandering souls centuries ago.

PS: Having religious faith and believing in paranormal aren't really mutually exclusive imo.

 

[thecrow2313]

There are always explanations.

I mean the will-o'-wisp has been explained despite having been said to be wandering souls centuries ago.

PS: Having religious faith and believing in paranormal aren't really mutually exclusive imo.

This is a self-conscious debate that I will not argue with. Everyone has their views towards religion or faith towards ghosts or demons or what not. But I will shit you not, ghost are very real & its not a laughing matter.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

This is a self-conscious debate that I will not argue with. Everyone has their views towards religion or faith towards ghosts or demons or what not. But I will shit you not, ghost are very real & its not a laughing matter.

I thought that it was almost blasphemy to believe in ghosts and spirits while having a monotheistic religion.

Even the modern view on demons isn't fully biblically accurate either.

 

[Badseed]

Don't believe. All those ding-dong you tube ghost hunter do not help your case either

 

[Zerohour2k12]

I think I'm right in the Middle. I do love watching shows like Paranormal Caught on Camera.

 

[thecrow2313]

Don't believe. All those ding-dong you tube ghost hunter do not help your case either

There are some legit YouTube videos & fake AI click-bait videos.

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I thought that it was almost blasphemy to believe in ghosts and spirits while having a monotheistic religion.

Even the modern view on demons isn't fully biblically accurate either.

I blame Hollywood for that. From what I understood there's a book in the bible when Jesus & his apostles cast out a demonic spirit from a possessed person which the spirit fled into an unclean pig & fallen off a cliff. Note: Jews & Muslims don't eat pork, not kosher & forbidden. Interesting fact.

 

[Sfjeov]

I remember watching alien conspiracy theories on youtube when I was a kid. Was pretty entertaining

 

[thecrow2313]

I remember watching alien conspiracy theories on youtube when I was a kid. Was pretty entertaining

The X-Files back in the day had tripped out episodes. Also forgot about this, just the theme alone is memorable.

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Robert Stack in Airplane!

 

[Sfjeov]

The X-Files back in the day had tripped out episodes. Also forgot about this, just the theme alone is memorable.

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Robert Stack in Airplane!

X-files was pretty sick but I only know the theme as the illuminati theme back then

 

[thecrow2313]

X-files was pretty sick but I only know the theme as the illuminati theme back then

 

[diapered]

I thought that it was almost blasphemy to believe in ghosts and spirits while having a monotheistic religion.

Depends what you mean by "ghost". Can the souls of the dead return to earth to influence and haunt? No, that is not canonical. Likewise, they cannot be channeled or communicated with. Can demons take on the appearance of those departed to trick, deceive and frighten? Yes.

 

[trickybus]

If crypids really did exist, I feel like the most rational conclusion would be that they'd become extinct rather quickly. They aren't high in population numbers to begin with and humanity is really good at wiping out novel species, both intentionally and unintentionally.

Remember the Sasquatch mission in Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare and how that ended? That, ad nauseam.

 

[_Lorenzo_]

I think everyone is at the very least a tiny bit spiritual to some degree.

You're really optimistic...

 

[Spyrone]

I believe in it. I wouldn't say I like it, though. But I've had far too many experiences with that kind of stuff not to believe in it. I try to be as rational as possible with it, but when it comes to something that is nigh-impossible to lock inside a controlled environment to test it that's pretty difficult. But, sometimes things happen that get so real you can't deny them.

I list some of the things I've experienced to demonstrate that:

- I have had multiple premonitions. One came to me in dream when I was in the third grade, it ended up showing the exact circumstances in which I learned of our family cat's death in the 3rd grade. The other was even weirder, to the point I literally checked myself into a mental hospital. Essentially I had started hearing a woman's voice in June of 2019 that kept repeating stuff like "Just wait 'til March, there'll be a bat-borne illness that comes out of China and they'll try and lock everything down". I've always loved media involving viral pandemics, so I feel like that's what attracted the voice, whatever it was. I got out of the mental hospital in September 2019, despite the fact that the voice occasionally kept saying that kind of stuff. They chalked it up to Major Depressive Disorder w/ Psychotic Features. The last time I heard it was in March, right around the time the COVID lockdowns started. It's also the reason I think the zoonotic jump from bats explanation for COVID is true. I've had many others as dreams, but most of them are so mundane that I wonder why they even happened, like walking through Walmart and seeing a preview for Halo Infinite being displayed on the TVs in the electronics section.

- While exploring the ghost town Garnet, MT with my family in 2008, the pictures my mom took of the boarding house area above the saloon ended up being filled with orbs. It looked almost as if someone was blowing bubbles at the time the picture was taken. Just those pictures of that one particular room, not any of the pics before or after.

- While spelunking around the ghost town of Comet, MT with two of my friends, we decided to explore the old mining company warehouse at the top of a hill in town. Me and one friend, we'll call him W, started hearing rocks skipping around outside while climbing the hill. I had a flashlight, and I ended up shining it on the hands of our other friend, who we'll call B, who is quite the prankster. His hands were covered in dirt, and he had obviously been picking up rocks and throwing them around. I told him "B, stop throwing rocks, you're gonna piss off the ghosts". Well, he stopped, and the three of us returned to where we had parked the truck, near an old blacksmith shed on the edge of a crumbling Gilded Age mansion. W went to start the truck up (it was his) and while he was doing that, me and B heard an impossibly loud metallic banging noise come out of the shed. It sounded like Hephaestus banging a fucking gong he made for Cthulhu. Me and B looked at each other like "WTF?!" and booked to W's truck and told him to book it the fuck out of there. He didn't hear anything, when we got a sufficient distance away and were checking ourselves for scrapes and bruises in the truck's overhead light, me and B noticed he was crying. He didn't know that he was crying.

- While walking around the Cathedral of St. Helena in Helena, MT late at night, I saw an apparition. It looked like a shimmering white figure wearing an old Victorian capelet or something, but where it's face should have been there was nothing but shadow. I literally said "nope" to myself and turned around and went back home.

- While staying at a friends house in Bozeman, MT during the summer of 2023, I saw a bunch glowing red orbs in the sky. They started spinning around like a ferris wheel or something. I went inside and got my friend to come out and see if she could see them too. She did. They did their weird ferris wheel spiral, and then the lights kind of warped around themselves and disappeared. It rather looked like how I'd imagine a spaceship activating it's Alcubierre Drive to look, ie light and space wrapping around an object, then jumping forward in a narrow cone and dissappearing.

- When I was about three years old, I saw something that looked like rotting shoes attached to the legs of something walking around outside our home on Bly Mountain, OR. I slept on a bunk bed with my cousin on the lower bunk, and me on the top. The window had venetian blinds, and given how they were shuttered only I could see the lower half of whatever the fuck was walking around outside. I was terrified to say the least! I ended up waking the whole house, pissing everyone off, and ended up falling asleep later to the old late 90s NBC Peacock test signal they would play after everything had signed off.

So, yeah. It's why I think we live in a cosmic horror story. No idea WTF causes any of that crap, about the only explanations I can come up with are the whole Simulation Theory argument or Toxoplasmosii Gondii being even more insidious and mind-altering of a parasitic infection than is currently thought.

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We have full computers in our pockets that can communicate with anyone around the world instantly. We have gaming devices that can hold thousands of games at once from across gaming history. A full library of books, music, and movies can be digitized and pocketed. And we can flash freeze fish so they can be eaten raw without dying. We don't have magic, but I'd say we're close enough.

What's that quote from Arthur C. Clarke? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

What's that quote from Arthur C. Clarke? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I'd argue that this quote is true from someone technologically illiterate or if you travelled in the middle ages (well, the European one as the Arabian world had a golden age with more scientific advancements which would be considered witchcraft from some priests).

Also it's thanks to quantum physics, not magic for most of our current technologies.

Anyway, there's always a rational explanation for many thing.

 

[thecrow2313]

Depends what you mean by "ghost". Can the souls of the dead return to earth to influence and haunt? No, that is not canonical. Likewise, they cannot be channeled or communicated with. Can demons take on the appearance of those departed to trick, deceive and frighten? Yes.

You can chose whether if you want to believe or not. I'm not twisting your arm. I've been to haunted cemeteries & places, seen & heard for myself. I've heard screams, faint voices, shadow figures, ghosts, etc. There are some places I refused to go such as condemned buildings because of homeless vagrants abusing drugs who scream & chase people out of buildings. I've been to a haunted school never again, of course graffiti that's common, used needles on the ground, floors almost gone or none at all, stairs broken, glass & trash all over the place, stank to high heaven, pipes broken with some water on the floor, mold & mildew, always wear a mask & protective gear, tetanus shot a very important thing to do. Almost got arrested for trespassing which I would heavily advise don't do it. I've seen some crazy stuff.

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I'd argue that this quote is true from someone technologically illiterate or if you travelled in the middle ages (well, the European one as the Arabian world had a golden age with more scientific advancements which would be considered witchcraft from some priests).

Also it's thanks to quantum physics, not magic for most of our current technologies.

Anyway, there's always a rational explanation for many thing.

Now that's stuff not to mess with, witchcraft & voodoo. I know it as Brujeria, it is very real and very dangerous.

 

[diapered]

You can chose whether if you want to believe or not. I'm not twisting your arm.

No worries, I didn't think you were. @Ikagura had a biblical canon question and I answered it. The Bible would interpret hauntings as the work of demons: hauntings are not the work of souls of the former living, according to biblical canon, was my point.

 

[thecrow2313]

No worries, I didn't think you were. @Ikagura had a biblical canon question and I answered it. The Bible would interpret hauntings as the work of demons: hauntings are not the work of souls of the former living, according to biblical canon, was my point.

The sad truth is the bible was very poorly translated, sad but true.

 

[Ogmios]

Yes, I've visited several locations mainly in Louisiana and have even done the spirit box thing where I was called funny

 

[Spyrone]

I'd argue that this quote is true from someone technologically illiterate or if you travelled in the middle ages (well, the European one as the Arabian world had a golden age with more scientific advancements which would be considered witchcraft from some priests).

Also it's thanks to quantum physics, not magic for most of our current technologies.

Anyway, there's always a rational explanation for many thing.

Um, as far as I can tell quantum physics has only barely started produce actual, working tech. The first quantum computers literally came out in the past two years. Nothing I use on a daily basis has much reliance on exploiting the weirdness of quantum physics. Unless you want to count MOSFETs which AFAIK aren't generally lumped in with quantum mechanics (I might very well be wrong about that, but since it typically isn't talked about in relation to quantum mechanics I'm listing it with this disclaimer) I'd say that modern physics at that scale rarely effects our day to day lives. In fact, science has still yet to reconcile classical physics at a normally observable scale with modern quantum physics.

I agree with you that there is almost certainly a rational explanation for the things that I and others have experienced, but as to what it is I can only speculate. Like I said earlier, the only things I could think of that might explain it are Simulation Theory (which if you want to tie back to quantum physics, the immeasurably small thing/s at the Planck Length that is implicated in a number of equations could be interpreted as the smallest resolution that the universe is capable of producing, like the Matrix equivalent of a pixel) or that Toxoplasmosii Gondii can produce even more far-reaching mental and behavioral changes in their hosts than is currently understood. One of those things is literally untestable at the moment, and the other keeps having new discoveries made about it all the time related to how affects the behavior of it's hosts. Both of those possibilities are equally cosmically horrific IMO.

 

[diapered]

Unless you want to count MOSFETs which AFAIK aren't generally lumped in with quantum mechanics

They are. Semiconductors work based on the existence of what is called a "band gap" which hinges on Bloch's theorem which is very much grounded in quantum mechanics ^_^

Bloch's theorem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Basically, when atoms are "alone" they just have atomic orbitals of quantized allowed energies, but when certain (mostly those with electronegativity that encourages metallic type bonding) MANY atoms form a lattice, they create what is called a "band structure" (ranges of allowed and forbidden energies) and the material can then take on conducting or insulating (oversimplifying, but think 0's or 1's) properties depending on the Fermi level. In the case of mosfets which you mentioned, this is accomplished by doping.

Doping (semiconductor) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Graves Ruinwalker]

Interested ? Yes .
The paranormal phenomenas on their own are great to tell stories , deepen our cultures and gives to our reality that mystery that is above scientific knowledge and elevates our world to be more than just life , death consumption , survival and all objective aspects .

Believing it ? Not really .
Im more a realist , i guess. I still think that everything can be explained and has a reason to be there . I wouldnt deny about ghostly interventions and stuff but its hard to believe it when i didnt experience any of it while others can overdoing it with their perception what actually happened .
I believe it when i see it .

 

[Spyrone]

They are. Semiconductors work based on the existence of what is called a "band gap" which hinges on Bloch's theorem which is very much grounded in quantum mechanics ^_^

Bloch's theorem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Basically, when atoms are "alone" they just have atomic orbitals of quantized allowed energies, but when certain (mostly those with electronegativity that encourages metallic type bonding) MANY atoms form a lattice, they create what is called a "band structure" (ranges of allowed and forbidden energies) and the material can then take on conducting or insulating (oversimplifying, but think 0's or 1's) properties depending on the Fermi level. In the case of mosfets which you mentioned, this is accomplished by doping.

Doping (semiconductor) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for the correction. I couldn't remember the principles it was based on but had a feeling it was something like that, hence the disclaimer.

 

[Mr. SyS]

Yes. I want to believe.