Castlevania Megathread

I do believe there was at least some semblance of a timeline even in the early days but nothing too set in stone, Igarashi clearly put more though into it, much more than Nintendo with Zelda that's for sure, there's some contradictions and retcons but you can clearly piece together a semi coherent line of events, something that to me is a huge stretch when applied to the Zelda games
 
Doesn't matter if it's considered the best or worse of them. I still don't like the genre as a whole. Aside from about two exceptions: Strider (2014), and Shadow Complex, if talking about 2D or 2.5D. You can add Shinobi: AoV as it has backtracking for upgrades and at larger levels, as you get further.
Wasn't trying to sway you one way or another.
 
as far as I'm aware, everything is canon except Legends. Most of the games take place like 100 years apart so it's pretty easy to piece together a timeline.
 
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as far as I'm aware, everything is cannon except Legends. Most of the games take place like 100 years apart so it's pretty easy to piece together a timeline.
I still consider Legends canon, minus a few details here and there, during the ending.
 
My canonical stance is that legends is canon while Circle of the Moon and Lament aren't, my personal chronology is:

Legends is first, it kickstarts the Belmont's bloodline while keeping Dracula's origin intact (seriously Lament? a regular human somehow became the setting's Satan by grief?, it also ruins the tragedy of SOTN's Lisa's death)

Dracula's curse comes after Dracula's latest revival, and in the interim of Simon's birth we get Curse of Darkness

The Adventure duology is Axed on my canon

Finally we get to Castlevania 1, and after that obviously Castlevania II

As much as it's bland in my book, Harmony is next, set after the events of the duology

The Belmonts gets a rest for a while, Order of Ecclesia occurs while trying to figure out gow to kick Drac's bloody arse without the Belmonts

...Byt they fail, so we get another Belmont, in this case Richard

Five years later, Alucard will give his old man a humbling beating

The last game before 1999, thereby Dracula finally... heh, BITING IT, will be Portrait of Ruin

And to conclude the series, we jump all the way to 2035 with Aria and Dawn of Sorrow concluding the feud of Dracula vs The Belmonts

Just like with Zelda, i prefer to make my own canon instead of relying on oftern retconned official timelines
 
My canonical stance is that legends is canon while Circle of the Moon and Lament aren't, my personal chronology is:

Legends is first, it kickstarts the Belmont's bloodline while keeping Dracula's origin intact (seriously Lament? a regular human somehow became the setting's Satan by grief?, it also ruins the tragedy of SOTN's Lisa's death)

Dracula's curse comes after Dracula's latest revival, and in the interim of Simon's birth we get Curse of Darkness

The Adventure duology is Axed on my canon

Finally we get to Castlevania 1, and after that obviously Castlevania II

As much as it's bland in my book, Harmony is next, set after the events of the duology

The Belmonts gets a rest for a while, Order of Ecclesia occurs while trying to figure out gow to kick Drac's bloody arse without the Belmonts

...Byt they fail, so we get another Belmont, in this case Richard

Five years later, Alucard will give his old man a humbling beating

The last game before 1999, thereby Dracula finally... heh, BITING IT, will be Portrait of Ruin

And to conclude the series, we jump all the way to 2035 with Aria and Dawn of Sorrow concluding the feud of Dracula vs The Belmonts

Just like with Zelda, i prefer to make my own canon instead of relying on oftern retconned official timelines
Dude… you genuinely opened my mind XD
(and sorry about my taste, but I actually like Lament of Innocence).

Sometimes I get lost and start thinking “is this all there is?” or “is this the only way it can be?”, you know?
That idea sounds really interesting to me…

And what about Kid Dracula?
Could it fit somewhere, since it’s technically part of the franchise?
 
The timeline goes like this...

1 - Castlevania: Lament of Innocence
2 - Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse
3 - Castlevania: Curse of Darkness
4 - Castlevania: The Adventure
5 - Castlevania 2: Belmont's Revenge
6 - Castlevania
7 - Castlevania 2: Simon's Quest
8 - Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
9 - Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
10 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
11 - Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
12 - Castlevania: Bloodlines
13- Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
14- Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
15 - Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow

A few additional notes;

-The reason Lament of Innocence is not considered the Belmont's first battle against Dracula is simply because Leon never actually fought Dracula.
-Legends, Circle of the Moon and the N64 games were all declared non-canon by Koji Igarashi when he was in charge of the series.
-Harmony of Despair doesn't have a story as such, and therefore no place on the timeline.
-The Lords of Shadow games are a separate universe with their own timeline.
-Super Castlevania 4, Vampire Killer, Castlevania X68000/Chronicles and Haunted Castle are all alternate versions of the original Castlevania, and are non-canon. Likewise, Rebirth is a remake of Adventure and Dracula X is a (bad) remake of Rondo of Blood.
-Castlevania Judgment is one great big headache. It's technically canon, it causes all kinds of problems with the timeline and brings in characters from the non-canon N64 games. It's an awful game anyway, so it's best to politely ignore it.
-The novel Dracula is also technically part of the Castlevania timeline, taking place between Order of Ecclesia and Bloodlines. In the Castlevania universe, though, Quincey Morris was a Belmont cousin, killed Dracula with the Vampire Killer instead of a bowie knife, and had a son who grows up to be one of the main characters of Castlevania: Bloodlines.
 
Dude… you genuinely opened my mind XD
(and sorry about my taste, but I actually like Lament of Innocence).
I like it too, but its lore is a spanner in the Lore, the Manual itself makes clear Lisa is Dracula's first love yet they shoved Matias' first love and left Alucard's mom in the bench
And what about Kid Dracula?
Could it fit somewhere, since it’s technically part of the franchise?
Maybe is a daydream Alucard has when we save the game and turn off the console?
 
This series I remember watching back then, the dude tried to connect them all in a way that would make sense.::dkapproves
 
I enjoyed playing Lament of Innocence, it had an amazing OST but it did establish something I wasn't too comfortable with. Before Lament, the whip was described by some manuals as a holy weapon which would make sense why it destroyed vampires. Lament made the whip into a magical creation of alchemy holding the soul of a vampire that trusted the first Belmont (I'm not sure why she trusts the succeeding Belmonts) and has emnity with it's own kind.

While it did make everything fit, why only Belmonts could use it which led to the drama behind Portrait of Ruin, it broke the narrative of the whip being a holy weapon. Because it's a creation of magic holding a vampire's soul, it sounds more like an unholy weapon because holy means something consecrated to God, or blessed and sanctified by Him and the whip now sounds like the opposite. And if Leon was catholic, I wonder if it occurred to him that by implanting Sarah's soul in the whip, he would be depriving Sarah of Heaven and her eternal rest. In any case, the implication here is that they had to resort to using possibly dark magic instead of holy powers to destroy a vampire.

Beyond the classicvanias, there were other things Iga added that I wasn't comfortable with either. It took 1 or 2 Shinto priests to imprison the WHOLE castle into an eclipse. In other words, they did something Christians or western powers couldn't do. Was there some kind of hidden religious statement Iga hid there that Shinto was superior to Christianity? Or Japanese culture was superior supernaturally?

My Catholic sensibilities were one of the things that made me like Castlevania. Inside Dracula's castle, a vampire hunter seeks to destroy Dracula, carrying a holy whip along with holy sacramentals, a cross and holy water as well as a silver knife, axe...and a stopwatch that um...stopped time. (Well, I'll just pretend it's a holy relic of St. Tempus or some other pretend saint since they never said where it came from...::sailor-embarrassed). In any case, the original idea was appealing. But Iga added some things which disrupted that.

So in my head, there's a Classicvania canon where only the classicvanias happened, and the regular timeline which is just for perusal.
 
I’m making a thread to discuss (or just hear people’s opinions) about Castlevania’s confusing timeline.
So, there’s this YouTuber who made a HUGE documentary about it, and that got me thinking:
“What do people actually think about all this?”
Random, right? Yeah, yeah… I know. Being random is kind of my talent.

And then I discovered that there are people who don’t even consider Lament of Innocence to be the first Belmont battle against the darkness.
And that is an ABSURD— HOLY SH— sorry, I lost my composure.

Whether it’s because the game feels kinda tedious to some people, or because they just never played it, I’m saying this based on my friends’ perspectives and the very different opinions I’ve seen.

Honestly… I don’t really know what else to write.
I just wanted to post a random thread, drop this here, and read the comments later XD


Here’s the video from the madlad himself:
well ain't that castlevania timeline is easier when you remember every protagonist,and some of them divided into canon,non canon,and alternate universe (like Lord Of Shadows Event)
 
I enjoyed playing Lament of Innocence, it had an amazing OST but it did establish something I wasn't too comfortable with. Before Lament, the whip was described by some manuals as a holy weapon which would make sense why it destroyed vampires. Lament made the whip into a magical creation of alchemy holding the soul of a vampire that trusted the first Belmont (I'm not sure why she trusts the succeeding Belmonts) and has emnity with it's own kind.

While it did make everything fit, why only Belmonts could use it which led to the drama behind Portrait of Ruin, it broke the narrative of the whip being a holy weapon. Because it's a creation of magic holding a vampire's soul, it sounds more like an unholy weapon because holy means something consecrated to God, or blessed and sanctified by Him and the whip now sounds like the opposite. And if Leon was catholic, I wonder if it occurred to him that by implanting Sarah's soul in the whip, he would be depriving Sarah of Heaven and her eternal rest. In any case, the implication here is that they had to resort to using possibly dark magic instead of holy powers to destroy a vampire.

Beyond the classicvanias, there were other things Iga added that I wasn't comfortable with either. It took 1 or 2 Shinto priests to imprison the WHOLE castle into an eclipse. In other words, they did something Christians or western powers couldn't do. Was there some kind of hidden religious statement Iga hid there that Shinto was superior to Christianity? Or Japanese culture was superior supernaturally?

My Catholic sensibilities were one of the things that made me like Castlevania. Inside Dracula's castle, a vampire hunter seeks to destroy Dracula, carrying a holy whip along with holy sacramentals, a cross and holy water as well as a silver knife, axe...and a stopwatch that um...stopped time. (Well, I'll just pretend it's a holy relic of St. Tempus or some other pretend saint since they never said where it came from...::sailor-embarrassed). In any case, the original idea was appealing. But Iga added some things which disrupted that.
sara wasn't a vampire yet when her soul was infused into the whip. she was turning, but was still considered human when the spell was done to power up the whip. i would presume that because she did it willingly, it added a boost to the normal amount of power that spell would add to the alchemy whip. i would also guess that her soul still exists in the whip, similar to fi from zelda, who resides in the master sword.
i'll also add in another guess that the eclipse might have boosted magic powers while it was occurring, which would lead to this rather unusual case of a priest sealing the castle away during the ultimate super awesome michael bay edition of the war of 1999, where julius unleashed his big dick energy so hard that he destroyed dracula and him, alucard and the priest combined their power into a kamehameha and blew the castle into the eclipse and gave himself amnesia.
this is mainly just some guesses based on my general knowledge of vampires and magic stuff.
 
I have the same stance on this as I do with the Zelda timeline. Prove it. Not to you, but to the creator. If they want to claim there is some continuity let them lay down the batshit insane ground work needed to justify that. Otherwise, I'll assume each is its own separate work/universe unless otherwise stated in the narrative.
But...a good chunk of the games are directly referential to other games in the franchise?
 
I do believe there was at least some semblance of a timeline even in the early days but nothing too set in stone, Igarashi clearly put more though into it, much more than Nintendo with Zelda that's for sure, there's some contradictions and retcons but you can clearly piece together a semi coherent line of events, something that to me is a huge stretch when applied to the Zelda games
I haven't read it because only Zelda 1 and 2 matter to me, but there's an entire book that was published with the official Zelda timeline
 
If anyone though the Zelda or Castlevania timeline are bad, wait until they get to Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive. Though granted, DMC at least fixed its timeline issues, and Ninja Gaiden 4 more or less implies it takes way after Ninja Gaiden 3 and DOA6.



 
But...a good chunk of the games are directly referential to other games in the franchise?
Like I said, as long as it's established I'll buy it. Otherwise, relying on 3rd party stuff to "rewrite" another work always struck me as being done in poor taste.
 
Interesting...
Just why is it look Sonia and they say Trevor.
Not complain, I mean anything to get Sonia out the de-canonized limbo is great but this specific detail.
 
I'd be happier if they announced a 3d Castlevania collection of the 2 ps2 games and Legacy of Darkness. I hope this doesn't put a damper to that hope.

So it seems like it's not in-house developed and made by an indie developer commissioned by Konami?

The thing is...there are a ton of metroidvanias on Steam and it might just seem like one of those but with an official CV label on it. What makes a game a real Castlevania IMO is the amazing OST that gets stuck in your head and gets your blood pumping. If the developer does not put some high priority on the OST, it'll just seem like an indie clone to me.

And why is he blond with a long braided ponytail? Isn't he supposed to have brown hair?

While it's unlikely, I really hope this does not suggest or establish the Netflix series as canon.
 
And it only took us nearly 20 years!

Surprised they took the 2D metroidvania route, but not that surprised. They’re the most popular ones, the most acclaimed ones, and the ones easiest to tie in artstyle wise with the Netflix show.
 
And it only took us nearly 20 years!

Surprised they took the 2D metroidvania route, but not that surprised. They’re the most popular ones, the most acclaimed ones, and the ones easiest to tie in artstyle wise with the Netflix show.
With all of the popular indie metroidvanias out there I am not surprised. Especially since they just hired the guys behind Dead Cells to make the game. They have a bunch of indie devs to choose from to make a 2d Castlevania which almost all of them would jump at the chance to make an official Castlevania
 

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