Artists are leaving Spotify in droves

bandcamp is better
Agreed! You can also pay for and own the music (which is great and helps the artists as well) and aren't confined to just paying a for a subscription. Which is wild to even think about in the age of streaming
 
I don't think small artists leaving are really going to have any impact on Spotify... the backlash to their planned mandatory identification policy will though. I cannot forsee that going over well.
 
I don't think small artists leaving are really going to have any impact on Spotify... the backlash to their planned mandatory identification policy will though. I cannot forsee that going over well.
See, this shit will fly like a lead balloon filled with sulfur hexafluoride.
People will nope out of this BS. Sure, it'll go on for a bit, but as soon as profits start dropping because people get a set of balls and tell them to fuck off for this and everything else.
This BS will stop. Watch and see.

Now, I understand for adult websites like Pornhub, hey you wanna be a pervert? Show your face.
But for just music and the like, nah, that's not gonna fly long.
 
"Xiu Xiu, Deerhoof, and King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard"
I have no idea who these artists are (Sound like names a 8 year old would use in a MMORPG honestly) Not the point. I don't subscribe to or pay anyone. Let's say I acquire my music and media in ways that may or may not sidestep the full definition of "legal"
xiu xiu is my favourite band of all time :( i have their logo tattooed im mentally unwell
 
xiu xiu is my favourite band of all time :( i have their logo tattooed im mentally unwell
Don't feel bad. I have an old school Decepticon tattoo.
It's just a generation gap, that's all. I'm most likely older than you.
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Don't feel bad. I have an old school Decepticon tattoo.
It's just a generation gap, that's all. I'm most likely older than you.
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theyve been making music for 25 years, they just happen to be very experimental, and therefore mostly just known in the underground
 
This is why i can't hear "Anytime" by Eve 6 on Spotify?? Bruh . . .
 
In other words: "Billionaire finds a new way to make more money".

Because I really doubt it that the CEO of Spotify have a side or even cares about any war happening on the planet Earth.
His only intention is to get more green papers!
 
Kinda weird but I never really got into music streaming. Just figured if I ever wanted to listen to any specific artists I just download their stuff via less than legit methods.

Most of the stuff I listen to is older back catalogs that I'm guessing artists have made most of the money they'll make off it anyway so I don't feel too bad about it when I sail the seas. Hell, the most amount of music I've got recently were basically just tracker tunes from pre-6th gen console games.

Nonetheless, considering how incredibly shitty Spotify is to musicians, it's unsurprising the guy running it would have no issue investing into something designed to rack up body counts. To say least, the logic does at least follow if nothing else.

Hard to get mad at what's already assumed/expected at this point.
 
I'm in the process of removing all my music from spotify, and it's been long overdue. I'm just a hobbyist, but I went from making anywhere from $50-$300 a month to $40 every 3 months because of how greedy the CEO is. Bandcamp and Itunes pay me WAY more.
 
Deleted spotify a long time ago because it don't have as a lot of songs unlike youtube. It's too much like netflix imo although no spotify original thankfully.
 
Well, I never use Spotify anyway so I don't care.
Military use of AI is scary but its also inevitable, so whatever.
 
Military use of AI is scary but its also inevitable, so whatever.
Military use of anything to be honest.


Also music should be preserved in physical form when possible.
 
Spotify is crap. I remember reading somewhere that the singer of the skate punk band MxPx, an act that has a little over 300,000 monthly listeners on there, got a check from Spotify for a whopping $0.09 for a 3 month period of streams.
 
Nobody makes money on Spotify except whatever bland, blonde pop crap artist is being pushed by record labels at the moment- and even they make vastly lower amounts of money than they could otherwise. The vast majority of good artists out make the most of their money on merch sales, physical album sales or live shows.

I stopped using Spotify years ago, as in addition to making good musicians zero dollars it is not convenient (it is always online unless you pay for a subscription) or free (in addition to harvesting your data and shoving ads at you to make money, it burns through your data like nothing else and I am not going to shell out $60 or more a month for the privilege of screwing my favorite artists over) enough for me to give a shit about it. If you want to support your favorite artists, buy merch and go to their shows, and just listen to MP3s of their stuff on the go.

As for the protest about supporting the funding of Skynet, I could care less about such things. For example, RTX used to be known as Raytheon Technology Corporation and is still a major defense contractor. That shit is already so far gone that we live in a cyberpunk dystopia. Peaceful protest does not work, clearly, and if you want to do actually do something about it then you better get ready to crusade in the Days of Rage, and beware the perilous folly of doing so is likely going to get you killed or worse.
 
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Yet our tax dollars are being spent on technology that'll replace us. I find that worse. Why am I paying for my obsolescence? Whether it's Altman, Zuck, Thiel, Musk, etc., these tech oligarchs feel like cold and soulless sociopaths.

There's no stopping this, though. The AI push is global. It's not a right vs. left thing, it's a humanity vs. elite thing, and sadly the elite are untouchable in their ivory towers and we're unable to stop what's coming. While it seems like a defeatist attitude, that's because there is no defeating it. If you try, that'll just give them the excuse to use the current system, as well as the AI social credit score hellhole system that's on its way via the likes of Palantir, to crack down on opposition. This is what they're betting on, and it's an incredibly anti-human future.
 
I know absolutely nothing about this situation... So I'm legally obligated to talk about it ;D!

This is a VERY PR-dependent world we are living in --and one in which the average user has the attention span of a goldfish--, so I guess that these artists are seeing trouble, assuming guilt by association, and leaving til things calm down. Can't say I blame them.
 
I don't think small artists leaving are really going to have any impact on Spotify... the backlash to their planned mandatory identification policy will though. I cannot forsee that going over well.
I think it will have an impact or rather a constant burn that gets bigger and bigger.

New , small and Independent artists are more and more a necessity to keep the music industry floating . By losing them , they could potentially be running behind the times and miss out the next huge bands , groups and musicians that could lead the music industry into new heights or the music culture overall .

The UK bill was the ignition for spotifys downfall and the leaving small artists are the gasoline puddle that gets bigger and bigger as long the alternatives are there .

Getting an MP3-player sounds more and more reasonable day by day .

I think i get one if it has Bluetooth too.
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Yeah especially when free AI music generators really produces decent stuff. This past year I writing me lyrics just to AI generate music for them. Finally a modern solution to my ancient musical hunger lol. I don't have to endure my bad singing voice so hard it always start to rain when I sing!!!! lolol
AI music is ... rather mediocre . It is flat lyrically , the music can end up as a mess in its melody and structure , singing is way too standardised which lacks stylistic approaches that either underlines the context , the songs and/or the tone perfectly .

You can put an AI voice of Peter Steele from type 0 negative over an AI created song but it would still not be a Type 0 negative song . Especially not even a good one on that . Even AI have its limits and im sure the AI-bubble will burst into novelity but hardly as a necessity .

Except for Shitpost-songs . Never laughed so hard and often lately . Great stuff to let the inner edgelord bloom again . ::goblingrin
 
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Yet our tax dollars are being spent on technology that'll replace us. I find that worse. Why am I paying for my obsolescence? Whether it's Altman, Zuck, Thiel, Musk, etc., these tech oligarchs feel like cold and soulless sociopaths.

There's no stopping this, though. The AI push is global. It's not a right vs. left thing, it's a humanity vs. elite thing, and sadly the elite are untouchable in their ivory towers and we're unable to stop what's coming. While it seems like a defeatist attitude, that's because there is no defeating it. If you try, that'll just give them the excuse to use the current system, as well as the AI social credit score hellhole system that's on its way via the likes of Palantir, to crack down on opposition. This is what they're betting on, and it's an incredibly anti-human future.

Let's not pretend the average human hasn't had a hand in this though. The layman, despite having all the information at their disposal via the internet, still chose to embrace technologies and changes the technocrats provided and has just as much of a hand of ushering this in as them. Not saying everyone, but they duped enough people to be on their side and embrace things like Facebook, Tesla, AI, ect. to the point they are inevitable. It's a sad state of affairs, too many people said yes, that now no is out of the equation.
 
I think it will have an impact or rather a constant burn that gets bigger and bigger.

New , small and Independent artists are more and more a necessity to keep the music industry floating . By losing them , they could potentially be running behind the times and miss out the next huge bands , groups and musicians that could lead the music industry into new heights or the music culture overall .
Not to be a doomer, but I spent the last 10 years working in the local music industry and played in a local band for 5 years (quit playing music in November 2023, left the music industry as my profession in March of this year), and I hate to say it but the only people that care about local music... is other local musicians.

Most people do not care, especially not enough people to have any real impact on Spotify's bottom line to make a change. Music is the most devalued art form of all kind. People do not want to pay for it AT ALL, and do not see value in it. People aren't going to local shows anymore. Here in Chicago, the only local bands that get any real gigs are tribute bands, because people aren't actively seeking out new music like they used to. Young people do not consume music like previous generations have, they find music through Tiktok almost exclusively, and the artists that make it there skip the "local" phase entirely. They go from Tiktok to Lollapalooza with no in-between.
 
Not to be a doomer, but I spent the last 10 years working in the local music industry and played in a local band for 5 years (quit playing music in November 2023, left the music industry as my profession in March of this year), and I hate to say it but the only people that care about local music... is other local musicians.

Most people do not care, especially not enough people to have any real impact on Spotify's bottom line to make a change. Music is the most devalued art form of all kind. People do not want to pay for it AT ALL, and do not see value in it. People aren't going to local shows anymore. Here in Chicago, the only local bands that get any real gigs are tribute bands, because people aren't actively seeking out new music like they used to. Young people do not consume music like previous generations have, they find music through Tiktok almost exclusively, and the artists that make it there skip the "local" phase entirely. They go from Tiktok to Lollapalooza with no in-between.
tl;dr: Thats the trend . 5 years in musical misery aint overall much if you start at the worst time possible . The corona-epidemic .

Is the music devalued ? Yeah , it is .

But why ? Because most new and modern bands / musicians / Performers are replacable . Its not only the fault of the audience but of the Music industry and its musicians too .

For the audience , its for them self-explained nowadays that music should be free because the music industry didnt addressed the problems since the 90s (or even 80s) were the first clear cracks are shown how mafioso they handled their musicians , forcing trends that are temporary in its results and even try for a looooong time to artificially create legends in the world of music . It impacted the quality of music overall and people finally nowadays reacting to the effects that the industry brought there .

We forget that music isnt just the only factor that really makes it great . Its the image of the musicians , the shows how they make it and how they cementing themselves into the mythos themselves. Music videos were a big thing back then but if there is only slop (like nowadays) then its understandable that no one sets an eye to those , except old music videos somehow that more and more people appreciate it and even wishes it was like that again .

If everything is unnaturally made (via casting , corporate influence , forced/astroturfed trends , formulaic approaches ) then its not interesting or worth a dime at the end . It is an artform first , a job as second and a product on the third place . You cant prepare or scientifically make Legends in the music industry . They become one thanks to its artistic freedoms , their music and actions that resonate with the people that made those Legends individualistic and genuine while being honest in their most natural approach .

But that train is already lost and the industry has the music at a suffering choke-hold to this day . Independent musicians dont have an impact anymore except the simple Tik Tok 15 minutes of fame result or getting reduced into meme-material but nothing more .

To get that value high again , just let everything burn down and build it up again to its high artistic value . We lived in hedonistic entertaiment-times and right now slowly but surely people realised what great music we had back then and missed that even older subgenres of Rock/metal and other genres that we got back then is made again today . Even if it is only AI made music , people get some enjoyment and finally get their own personal tastes again .

Im sure that in a not so far future will the social media bubble burst and music get its high value again . Its not instant but it slowly evolved into it .
 
tl;dr: Thats the trend . 5 years in musical misery aint overall much if you start at the worst time possible . The corona-epidemic .

Is the music devalued ? Yeah , it is .

But why ? Because most new and modern bands / musicians / Performers are replacable . Its not only the fault of the audience but of the Music industry and its musicians too .

For the audience , its for them self-explained nowadays that music should be free because the music industry didnt addressed the problems since the 90s (or even 80s) were the first clear cracks are shown how mafioso they handled their musicians , forcing trends that are temporary in its results and even try for a looooong time to artificially create legends in the world of music . It impacted the quality of music overall and people finally nowadays reacting to the effects that the industry brought there .

We forget that music isnt just the only factor that really makes it great . Its the image of the musicians , the shows how they make it and how they cementing themselves into the mythos themselves. Music videos were a big thing back then but if there is only slop (like nowadays) then its understandable that no one sets an eye to those , except old music videos somehow that more and more people appreciate it and even wishes it was like that again .

If everything is unnaturally made (via casting , corporate influence , forced/astroturfed trends , formulaic approaches ) then its not interesting or worth a dime at the end . It is an artform first , a job as second and a product on the third place . You cant prepare or scientifically make Legends in the music industry . They become one thanks to its artistic freedoms , their music and actions that resonate with the people that made those Legends individualistic and genuine while being honest in their most natural approach .

But that train is already lost and the industry has the music at a suffering choke-hold to this day . Independent musicians dont have an impact anymore except the simple Tik Tok 15 minutes of fame result or getting reduced into meme-material but nothing more .

To get that value high again , just let everything burn down and build it up again to its high artistic value . We lived in hedonistic entertaiment-times and right now slowly but surely people realised what great music we had back then and missed that even older subgenres of Rock/metal and other genres that we got back then is made again today . Even if it is only AI made music , people get some enjoyment and finally get their own personal tastes again .

Im sure that in a not so far future will the social media bubble burst and music get its high value again . Its not instant but it slowly evolved into it .
What you said about the "legend status" and "mythos" is so true. Growing up, metal bands seemed larger than life, with insane stories. All the Mayhem lore, Ozzy eating the bat, people carving Slayer into their arms, Slipknot huffing dead crows, The Butthole Surfers having sex on stage, etc - bands seemed like gods amongst men, and their folklore grew with their music.

Now its all considered cringe. People shun that kind of stuff now and its resulted in an overall sterile and safe music industry. Nothing in rock or metal is scary or boundry pushing anymore, and any band that deviates from the mold is deemed cringe or problematic and snuffed out.

I genuinely cant think of any modern "mythology" for any newer bands.
 

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