N64 Why Nintendo has never made a "Super Mario 65"?

[Skeetos]

I'm tryna find out what happened to Super Mario 69. That was my favorite as a kid.

 

[Egg (McMuffin) Man]

Nintendo never tried to make a direct sequel/expansion to the original with even a ride-able Yoshi.

There's actually an official answer to this question. I remember an old interview with Miyamoto during the Wii era where he said that typically new Mario games are made because of advances in hardware and this was sort of a soft rule with the series. Super Mario Bros was for the Famicom, and Mario 2 was because of the disk system which opened up more possibilities. Mario 3 was because of how advanced the cartridges had become thanks to mappers, which allowed them to make a much bigger game. World was for SNES, and 64 for 64. Sunshine for the Gamecube, and Galaxy for the Wii.

I'm not sure if this soft rule is still in effect or not (maybe it stopped with Galaxy 2 and that was why he even mentioned it?), but based on that it would seem that the reason we never got a proper followup on the 64 is because there weren't any big breakthroughs in the tech that warranted a sequel like what had happened on Famicom. Perhaps if the 64DD had been successful than we might have seen a new Mario game for that.

 

[TamagotchiTamaHero24]

There's actually an official answer to this question. I remember an old interview with Miyamoto during the Wii era where he said that typically new Mario games are made because of advances in hardware and this was sort of a soft rule with the series. Super Mario Bros was for the Famicom, and Mario 2 was because of the disk system which opened up more possibilities. Mario 3 was because of how advanced the cartridges had become thanks to mappers, which allowed them to make a much bigger game. World was for SNES, and 64 for 64. Sunshine for the Gamecube, and Galaxy for the Wii.

I'm not sure if this soft rule is still in effect or not (maybe it stopped with Galaxy 2 and that was why he even mentioned it?), but based on that it would seem that the reason we never got a proper followup on the 64 is because there weren't any big breakthroughs in the tech that warranted a sequel like what had happened on Famicom. Perhaps if the 64DD had been successful than we might have seen a new Mario game for that.

We have an in-house port of 64 onto the DD that they made as a test, so maybe that could have been the basis for something?
I mean, the SNES Mario 3 port in All Stars seems to have started life before the development of World (mainly so the team could test the new hardware). Miyamoto was huge on mass amounts of rewritable storage that the DD games had, which would bear fruit in games like Doshin the Giant, but perhaps that could’ve become the basis of a game? It’s fun to speculate, if nothing else.


Sad to know that the DD was ill conceived from the start. They tried to pull a Famicom Disk System again, but times had changed, and the hardware didn’t provide nearly enough of an upgrade, especially with their internal teams having trouble making software for the base system as it was. N64 era really does seem to be one of the darkest times at internal Nintendo development. Seems like a lot of their staff had a hard time making 3D games, even if it eventually did lead to some killer software.

 

[Action_Hank]

I mean the original was ground-breaking and while Banjo, Crash and Spyro got sequels on the same hardware Nintendo never tried to make a direct sequel/expansion to the original with even a ride-able Yoshi.

The game you're looking for was drowned, covered in filth and dunked back into the ocean before rising from the depths; an abomination.

 

[MemeAlert]

and unwatch.

 

[Natsuyasumi]

Well maybe they make it in switch 2! I think Mario 64 and legend of zelda ocarina of time deserve a sequel. I really wonder if they make a remake for them what going to happen. I really like to see Mario64 and legend of zelda completely dubed. I wonder who will talk as Happymasksalesman.(I hope Mr myamoto himself) but just imagine criss Pratt and.....well no need to Mario 65!

Ocarina of Time has had three direct sequels already.

 

[Ikagura]

Ocarina of Time has had three direct sequels already.

Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess? Or ALTTP if you want to take the timeline into account.

 

[Natsuyasumi]

Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess? Or ALTTP if you want to take the timeline into account.

Yeah those three are direct sequels.
ALTTP, etc. were thrown into a made up timeline long after the fact, and while Phantom Hourglass, etc. are sequels to the sequels, I think we might be stretching the word "sequel" at that point More like an "entry" in the LoZ series.

 

[Ikagura]

Yeah those three are direct sequels.
ALTTP, etc. were thrown into a made up timeline long after the fact, and while Phantom Hourglass, etc. are sequels to the sequels, I think we might be stretching the word "sequel" at that point More like an "entry" in the LoZ series.

Technically it was the other way around:

Ocarina of Time was made as a prequel to A Link to the Past, it only became incidentally the downfall timeline after they've made Majora's Mask and Wind Waker, two entries that created a split in the timeline as they've established the Hero of Time never returning in the future of OoT after he defeated Ganon.

There was an in-house timeline created by Nintendo before Hyrule Historia as I've heard (which may not even be the one shown in that book).

It's interesting how each entries got their direct sequels for the first six games: Zelda II Adventure of Link for Zelda 1, Link's Awakening for ALTTP and Majora's Mask for Ocarina of Time.

 

[Natsuyasumi]

Technically it was the other way around:

Ocarina of Time was made as a prequel to A Link to the Past, it only became incidentally the downfall timeline after they've made Majora's Mask and Wind Waker, two entries that created a split in the timeline as they've established the Hero of Time never returning in the future of OoT after he defeated Ganon.

There was an in-house timeline created by Nintendo before Hyrule Historia as I've heard (which may not even be the one shown in that book).

It's interesting how each entries got their direct sequels for the first six games: Zelda II Adventure of Link for Zelda 1, Link's Awakening for ALTTP and Majora's Mask for Ocarina of Time.

Good point on OoT starting as a ALTTP prequel. I guess you could say ALTTP past is a sequel, then. I wouldn't, but I couldn't argue with someone who did.

In actuality there are fewer non-sequeled/sequel Zelda games than otherwise. Zelda 1, ALTTP, OoT, Wind Waker, Minish Cap (or is 4 Swords a prequel?) Breath of the Wild compared to just Twilight, Skyward, and Echoes (for now).

 

[Ikagura]

Good point on OoT starting as a ALTTP prequel. I guess you could say ALTTP past is a sequel, then. I wouldn't, but I couldn't argue with someone who did.

Technically it's still a sequel but not in the same timeline. Sure there was a retcon (the "Wise Men" being replaced by "Sages" so the GBA port changed the text) but it doesn't mean that the game became non-canon.

Why wouldn't ALTTP be a sequel to OOT?

In actuality there are fewer non-sequeled/sequel Zelda games than otherwise. Zelda 1, ALTTP, OoT, Wind Waker, Minish Cap (or is 4 Swords a prequel?) Breath of the Wild compared to just Twilight, Skyward, and Echoes (for now).

Minish Cap is indeed a Fourswords prequel. On the other hand we still didn't get a game with the "Hero of Men" that Minish Cap's intro talked about.

BotW is a bit of a "spiritual sequel" to Skyward Sword in some of the ideas. Echoes of Wisdom is set after ALBW/TFH as I've seen on the site.

I'm wondering why we didn't get a sequel to Adventure of Link or Spirit Tracks.

 

[Natsuyasumi]

Minish Cap is indeed a Fourswords prequel. On the other hand we still didn't get a game with the "Hero of Men" that Minish Cap's intro talked about.

BotW is a bit of a "spiritual sequel" to Skyward Sword in some of the ideas. Echoes of Wisdom is set after ALBW/TFH as I've seen on the site.

I'm wondering why we didn't get a sequel to Adventure of Link or Spirit Tracks.

That's right, so Minish Cap is the sequel.

I'm only referring to direct sequels, not spiritual successors or same-universe tie-ins. The entire Zelda anthology is connected through the timeline, but not all are direct sequels.

Maybe because they were both sequels of other games? Like I was saying before, at what point do "sequels" stop and entries or "episodes" begin?

 

[verseeee]

I used to know someone who said there was going to be a Super Mario 65. He ate glue.

 

[happymasksalesman]

He ate glue.

Well some one ate I all the copies so this isn't weird!

 

[Yankee]

Retro console lifespans were actually a lot shorter than you might remember.
For example, the N64 came out in 1996 and the Gamecube in 2001 and the Wii in 2006... That was just 5 years each. Meanwhile the Switch came out in 2017 (Yeah the Switch is post-Trump) and is going on its 9th year before the Switch2 drops in a couple months; Nearly twice as long a life.