Why are the Anime Community being Sensitive about anime became a Mainstream.

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Você sabe o que há de mais engraçado nos gatekeepers? Eles vêm a lugares como este, mas para animes e mangás.

 

[qw90700]

Lack of availability of very old shows has created a distorted image of anime. Even the most devoted fans are largely unfamiliar with the stylistic origins and early development of the format/medium.

Even when there is no lack of availability society has a reflex to ignore what is old because it's weird to them because they compare with what they know that is new but to them this is "now" thing.

How anime is changed and that's why it makes new generation kiddos weirded out and they say "this old anime didn't aged well at all, it's like ancient cheese forgotten in my granma's refrigerator!!!" and I sit in a corner alone among people who have no idea the anime Candy Candy existed and sing da "Watashi wa Candy" song alone when they talk about some new animes I never heard before and when I check on Google they really suck hard for my tastes for many reasons like boom nude anime girl shower scene in first 2 minutes, cringe new generation kiddo talks and the story is really bad lolol.

And I watched Candy Candy when I was a kid because there is nothing else to watch but then some random kid that their parent is around my age would Google it and tell me I'm a Portable Document Format file!!!! *drama over 9000* lolol

 

[Dr.Kisaragi]

You know the funniest thing about gatekeepers? They come to places like this, but for anime and manga.

The problem is, they always fail at gatekeeping. They try, but people still find a way in. No matter how hard they gatekeep, others will always dig through another hole.

In the end, gatekeeping is kind of useless — they only do it because they’ve already failed to keep things exclusive. To save their face.

 

[MajesticSiN]

The problem is, they always fail at gatekeeping. They try, but people still find a way in. No matter how hard they gatekeep, others will always dig through another hole.

In the end, gatekeeping is kind of useless — they only do it because they’ve already failed to keep things exclusive. To save their face.

People who gatekeep are usually the worst kind of people anyways.

 

[Goshikk]

I think I know the answer...

First of all, other than rare gems like Ghibli, anime is kinda... for kids and weirdos.
So it just doesn't sit well in the mainstream, or at least the American mainstream. Like for example, Anno was very open about how the scantily clad 14 year olds in Eva were "fanservice". Typa shit that makes someone on Tumblr burn a building down.
So, with anime becoming more mainstream, this type of stuff is bound to disappear. And it's precisely there to make the kids and weirdos watch the shows, so... it's alienating the core audience.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

 

[X y b e r - S k u ll]

The problem is, they always fail at gatekeeping. They try, but people still find a way in. No matter how hard they gatekeep, others will always dig through another hole.

In the end, gatekeeping is kind of useless — they only do it because they’ve already failed to keep things exclusive. To save their face.

That's why the whole gatekeeping concept made me laugh. Unless you're physically there preventing someone else from watching something, you can't exactly gatekeep in the literal sense lol. Though I suppose gatekeeping now would be making somethings fanbase look as uninviting and toxic as possible, but even then all it would take is someone (Most likely a normie ironically) to just say "I don't care about this dumb fandom shit, I just wanna watch this show" to completely destroy that line of thinking (I will say I do support certain behaviours like immediately trying to clamp down on people spreading misinformation about a series or creative however since that can lead to very bad results down the line).

I understand it can be frustrating knowing that a lot of people aren't gonna "get it" or understand a lot of anime and the culture surrounding it, lord knows I've felt those frustrations in the past, but at some point you just gotta let it go and and move on. Just enjoy things for yourself, don't be concerned with what others think.

 

[skramz]

i dunno dude, i just like battle programmer shirase :p

 

[TheRealAlpha2]

It's a lot harder to "enjoy things for myself" when an outside interest steps in and smacks it out of your hand. It's an off and on thing. Like some people are saying in regards to being called wrong thinking for liking something that's been fairly common in anime for decades. I can accept that as society "evolves" (or in some cases devolves) that some things just aren't okay to be said (I'm a minority, I'd be a fool to not be okay with some things people used to say) but when people come into it without context, they generally come in disrupting things that didn't need to be disrupted for people that are okay with the status quo. The end result is no one can be happy and x100 if the internet and social media are involved.

 

[Jeff]

I find anime to be mainstream. Reason is this. Around 2005, Western cartoons were slowly going downhill with not so good animation and writing being off the wall. And when Cartoon Network aired Live action shows...

I slowly moved on to anime and I finally found better entertainment. Sure there's Adventure Time, and Gumball for the Western audience, but compare those with big named anime like K-ON, Clannad, and bundled them with anime from the 80s and 90s, Anime has more variety and keeps 2D animation alive. Now we do have a few good 2D animation on Netflix and so forth, but 30% on Western animated TV shows are in 3D that looks like terrible Wii game, and 70% is nothing but Spnogebob and Baby Titans Go marathons with hint of reality trash.

My only problem anime being mainstream is the fanbase/community. I want to just watch a simple calm anime series that I never seen and then DBZ/One Piece/Naruto fanbase keep showing up in my face with their advertising and products that gets talked about a lot. Gaming community, comic book and movie communities have bad fanbases and communities, but anime communities such as Dragonball, One Piece, Naruto and even Bleach would go nuts. And the censorship should stop. Not only because of the suggestive themes, but we want to know about Japan culture and not replace an Oni-Rice or bento box with an American sandwich or name them donuts.

So, I would still thing Anime should be mainstream for viewers who want to watch beautiful animation, fun/lovable characters doing strange things and the love for 2D animation, not a hateful community fighting or block all the important stuff we never seen before.

 

[MrSoFarAway]

Well, internet is a wild land so when an anime starts going mainstream the rule 34, Bl & GL ships runs havoc. So i guess it kinda "ruins" the anime for some people?

 

[reila]

Ouran High School Host Club

Why is my favorite middle school anime catching strays like what did it do

That said, maybe it's more to do with the online fanbase that anime has as a result of it being "mainstream"? Honestly it seems like almost every fanbase has gotten annoying in the last couple years so it's not just anime. The best thing you can do is just to not engage with it...

 

[qw90700]

Honestly it seems like almost every fanbase has gotten annoying in the last couple years

It doesn't depend on time, it depends on avarage age of the fanbase which I have a mathematical formula for it!!!:

Fan Base ToxicityΔ ∝ -1 / Average Fan AgeΔ

So I mathematically proved as Average Fan Age decreases the Fan Base Toxicity increases!!!

But the formula doesn't really explains why as Average Fan Age decreases toxic the Fan Base Toxicity increases so we gotta mathematically prove it!!!:

Fan Base Toxicityψ ∝ ⟨Puberty∣Hornyness∣Violence∣Lack of Commen Sense⟩ = Primitive and therefore hostile stupid fan base = The nature of the toxic fan base

lolol

 

[bjork]

I think "mainstream" is a term that gets misconstrued with someone's exposure to a thing. Someone gets into a thing, learns about it, and then needs to feel dismissive about it later for whatever reason, and that's the excuse. "It's so mainstream now, it got less cool." I'm sorry, but the minute a thing gets popular enough to be on syndicated TV, it has arrived. So for anime, when did Speed Racer start airing outside of Japan? I know I watched it when I was super little, and I'm old as shit.

 

[Pearly]

Anime has been main stream since Dragonball was doing absolutely massive ratings, rivalling big sports events at one point. This alongside the rest of the toonami slot, it was mainstream for the most part. Being a gundam fan really ain't that niche for example, it was before Gundam wing, not so much since.

Anime has been main stream for about 23 years, if you count peak dragonball, but the wide breadth of different types of anime I guess has become much more popular, it's still just a medium though with many many genres found therein. It's likely that gatekeeping is geting worse because any and all popular media is being put under a censorship hammer at the moment. Just how things are right now.

Most Japanese companies won't bend that knee, and even at that, FF7 Rebirth gave Tifa back her jiggle physics alongside a revealing swimsuit so even if they do bend the knee it's not as much, but only when she's in that outfit. If anyone mentions the jiggle physics otherwise, she's wearing one of those borderline bullet proof vest sports bras. Those don't move, hence why it is visible at all times. They gave a design excuse for it, so they were expecting backlash. I prefer the new design though, the old one is nothing but wardrobe malfunctions waiting to happen, and it's just a better design in general.

Private equity is ruining way too many things and people are upset. Ironically Tron Ares was the least politically motivated product Disney put out in 7 years but only myself and like 3 other people went to see it. It was absolutely awesome, please go see it.

Even mainstream adult aimed comedies, regular western movies, they had nudity in them for decades and now we have gritty adult aimed shows with almost parody levels of carefully placed shadows so you can't see anything. Boobs are evil again somehow. I thought we were past this. So it's not just anime being affected, it's everything.

Bad news for anyone who is gatekeeping, as it was stated or thinks anime is anything but mainstream...

It's been mainstream since fucking Toonami, and probably before that, honestly...
I can't say for sure before Toonami, but once it hit prime time slots on Cartoon Network, it being for just a "Select few true fans" well, that ship sailed. and left port
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Nice, OG toonami fan, we're all aware of anime being mainstream since then and has been for decades, even earlier in many non english speaking countries in europe and latin america.

All OG Toonami anime fans unite!

Modern anime fans don't know how good they have it, what we had back then was whatever was on TV and whatever you could get your hands on, subbed releases were like finding illegal drugs.

 

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[qw90700]

Anime has been main stream since Dragonball was doing absolutely massive ratings, rivalling big sports events at one point. This alongside the rest of the toonami slot, it was mainstream for the most part. Being a gundam fan really ain't that niche for example, it was before Gundam wing, not so much since.

Hell yeah. It's new generation kiddo BS to believe how past is like "I bet 2 decades ago people wasn't watching TV because I bet TV was recently invented like a decade ago" -- the shit they believe due to their ignorant non-biologically developed brain so no wonder they would believe their parents never watched anime in their life but they probably grew up with Dragon Ball, Captain Tsubasa and Pokemon at least. And not to mention Heidi and Candy Candy. However the generational difference is we watched these without knowing they are "anime", we just watched them as cartoons but then as the old generation grew up most of them forgot about what anime they watched and never interested in exploring anime.

 

[Tbest25]

Você sabe o que há de mais engraçado nos gatekeepers? Eles vêm a lugares como este, mas para animes e mangás.

Que nem aquele maluco nos comentários do Street Fighter 2, cagando regra sobre como o jogo deve ser jogado, ou vc não é um gamer de verdade

 

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Que nem aquele maluco nos comentários do Street Fighter 2, cagando regra sobre como o jogo deve ser jogado, ou vc não é um gamer de verdade

hey, you're gatekeeping the answer, this is an english-only thread :p

 

[Otsuu]

Growing up in latin america makes this attitude particularly incomprehensible. Down here - at least in the old country - liking anime was never a niche hobby. Sure, you had proper weebs and otaku that are way more into it than the norm, but average joe normie would still have grown up watching DBZ, Ranma, Doraemon, Sailor Moon, or older shows like Heidi or Rose of Versailles. The thing that kind of separated "mainstream" fans and more dedicated otaku was the obscurity of the material. I still remember my fujo classmate who came to class one time ranting and raving about this awesome show she binged over the weekend off of some obscure warez site called "fate/stay night" and even I had no clue what she was talking about at the time.

My mom was big into Cardcaptor Sakura when I was a kid, I remember.

 

[PhaseJump]

Anybody sincerely whining about anime and manga becoming mainstream should probably go get prostate and breast exams done anyway, then perhaps get their head checked out, because they're clearly suffering from early dementia and have blacked out about 4 decades of history.

It's been popular since the 80s. Everybody was watching Astroboy, TransFormers, Robotech, and Voltron. It sold a ton of toys and games in North America. The niche parts of it are still there, but you can not go anywhere on this planet without running in to Hello Kitty merch, and it has been that way since long before most modern "fans" were even born.

 

[Pearly]

Hell yeah. It's new generation kiddo BS to believe how past is like "I bet 2 decades ago people wasn't watching TV because I bet TV was recently invented like a decade ago" -- the shit they believe due to their ignorant non-biologically developed brain so no wonder they would believe their parents never watched anime in their life but they probably grew up with Dragon Ball, Captain Tsubasa and Pokemon at least. And not to mention Heidi and Candy Candy. However the generational difference is we watched these without knowing they are "anime", we just watched them as cartoons but then as the old generation grew up most of them forgot about what anime they watched and never interested in exploring anime.

Actually I was always aware it was anime, the manga UK video releases were at their peak when I was around 4-9 and my brother was the prime target audience during that time, late teens into his early 20's. I was able to watch many of the tapes he got, I also had access to anime FX magazine and Manga UK's magazine that had akira and appleseed manga chapters in them. So you could say I was awash with Japanese pop culture since I was very young and definitely have a preference for it.

I watched dragonball Z because it reminded me of the fist of the north star movie, when the trailers first aired for it to start on cartoon network, we didn't get it over here till march 2000.

As for everyone that stopped watching anime, most people just don't have much in the way of hobbies or interests, not a knock on them but they don't, there's a reason there's so many nerd types on here, we're nerds, we like video games and anime. My brother for example doesn't watch anything of the sort now, but it's 90% of what I consume, same for a friend of mine that didn't get into anime till he was 20, and now he loves the medium.

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Anybody sincerely whining about anime and manga becoming mainstream should probably go get prostate and breast exams done anyway, then perhaps get their head checked out, because they're clearly suffering from early dementia and have blacked out about 4 decades of history.

It's been popular since the 80s. Everybody was watching Astroboy, TransFormers, Robotech, and Voltron. It sold a ton of toys and games in North America. The niche parts of it are still there, but you can not go anywhere on this planet without running in to Hello Kitty merch, and it has been that way since long before most modern "fans" were even born.

Right on all counts except Transformers, that is an american production based on marvel comics interpretation of designs used by Takara.

 

[Tbest25]

hey, you're gatekeeping the answer, this is an english-only thread :p

 

[Otsuu]

Anybody sincerely whining about anime and manga becoming mainstream should probably go get prostate and breast exams done anyway, then perhaps get their head checked out, because they're clearly suffering from early dementia and have blacked out about 4 decades of history.

Getting checked for prostate and breast cancer is just good advice in general, regardless of how old you are.

 

[qw90700]

Actually I was always aware it was anime, the manga UK video releases were at their peak when I was around 4-9 and my brother was the prime target audience during that time, late teens into his early 20's. I was able to watch many of the tapes he got, I also had access to anime FX magazine and Manga UK's magazine that had akira and appleseed manga chapters in them. So you could say I was awash with Japanese pop culture since I was very young and definitely have a preference for it.

I watched dragonball Z because it reminded me of the fist of the north star movie, when the trailers first aired for it to start on cartoon network, we didn't get it over here till march 2000.

As for everyone that stopped watching anime, most people just don't have much in the way of hobbies or interests, not a knock on them but they don't, there's a reason there's so many nerd types on here, we're nerds, we like video games and anime. My brother for example doesn't watch anything of the sort now, but it's 90% of what I consume, same for a friend of mine that didn't get into anime till he was 20, and now he loves the medium.

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Right on all counts except Transformers, that is an american production based on marvel comics interpretation of designs used by Takara.

In my case how "isolated" my country was before internet got popular in mid-2000s is the reason for why we had no idea it was called "anime" and we wouldn't notice it's something Japanese if the animes didn't have Japanese text. So many technologies and way of living always came late here until around 2010s. For example here playing video games was a rare thing until mid-2000s despite arcade was popular but its popularity was a flame quickly extinguished in half a decade because "it's stupid to keep playing for it" and it's why Atari 2600 -> fake NES consoles and Sega Genesis was so popular but only among niche gamers when not many people played games and knew they exist. I was living in a big city and there was only 1 shop selling video games and whatnot for a long time and it became 2 and 3rd and 4th was too late so they are shot down by new "anti-piracy laws" lol.

As for why lots of people grew up and stopped watching animes, it was because "it is a cartoon and therefore it's childish" thing. I also thought so too because Dragon Ball and Pokemon was childish AF. Captain Tsubasa was slice of life yet why it was childish was because whatever happens is against laws of physics lol. As you get old you get more sensitive to "what doesn't make sense" unless you are person who knows how to enjoy life or you go crazy. So I didn't take animes seriously until I met one of my best friends who is too into animes. He taught me these are called animes and then he introduced me Death Note. I was interested in it because it wasn't childish and no "stupid anime shit" in it, and then I started to give chance to anime and thus I really found legendary animes like Psycho-Pass and all so I realized there are 4 aspects of animes: Animes for kids, animes for girls, animes for perverts and then animes for grown up people (I don't mean porn or some shit, I mean animes that actually have a sign of intelligence it aims for instead of playing for primitive urges). Then I met people who watch animes but they only limit themselves to animes for grown up people so they also introduced me to some animes. Without them I guess I would always think animes are for little kids or pervert insane people lol, however not many people are open minded as much as me and they won't have people in this country who is into anime. Because I'm open minded that's why in my country I was present in very different social aspect of my country enough to meet tons of people in my life to gain POV from every side to get to know about my society. And because I'm trying to be objective and being open minded as much as possible and all I care about is fun that is why I was a person who could change my mind about animes but as people get old they tend to be narrow minded and get lost in the jungle of their "should" and bias statements. Which is why for anyone whom anime didn't mean anything to them personality when they grow up and anyone who never introduced an aspect of anime that their grown up adult ass can relate they will never stop underestimating animes after they will leave it behind to feel "adult" just like stopping playing with toys and kill the child in themselves that actually kills their humanity. What a shame!!! lol

 

[TheRealAlpha2]

Popularity comes and goes in waves and various in intensity based on your location and culture. Yeah us "old folks" in the US have been watching Speed Racer and G-force long before it was "cool" but we didnt get anything Dragon Ball related until years after it was already being broadcast almost completely uncensored on Spanish language UHF channels. Your first experiences was either that or picking up bootleg VHS tapes from comic conventions. Then stuff blew up as everyone realized how cool it was. Manga started getting imported in waves, new companies grew out of the popularity...

and then it just became and everyday thing to just look at stuff and go, "That one's cool. That one sucks. That's weird, but you know it's Japanese so it's okay." Until one day Toonami is a thing and it's big again, because Generation Y is just come into their own and can buy stuff on their own now.

After that, it ebbs and it's Millennials, and after than it's whatever the next gen is called. Each one is going to have a different tolerance for stuff coming out of a different culture that doesnt have the same lifestyle or social/moral conundrums, especially in the US. Mainstream now isn't what it was decades ago, just the process by which it becomes mainstream is the same.