Random When you've grown into your 30s, do you just rip farts as you please?

[Benjamillion]

I feel like it's normal once you hit that age, even if there's that one unexpected fart that you thought was going to be quiet but then it's like a loud "BWOMP" that like two people in the room are gonna turn around and look at you for lol

 

[cola?]

IN MY FARTIES NO LONGER BOUND BY THE RIP CLAUSES OR STATUTES

 

[MasterEn]

I feel like it's normal once you hit that age, even if there's that one unexpected fart that you thought was going to be quiet but then it's like a loud "BWOMP" that like two people in the room are gonna turn around and look at you for lol

i've heard that people in their 60's and older just straight up wait for others to get into the room with them, and just let it rip, and dead ass stare the other people in the eyes when they do it. they don't give a shit.
your 30's seems to be the best time to practice ripping and perfecting your farts for when it really counts.

 

[RustySK]

Uh... I'd hope I'm not alone in saying no to that particular question.

 

[Prism_Red]

I don't need to wait until 30, been doing that since I was a kid, hell my whole family does.

 

[Yousef's iconYousef]

What?

 

[Benjamillion]

What?

Exactly.

 

[Yousef's iconYousef]

An obvious no.

 

[J.F.C]

I'm not in my 30's but i just let them rip if i'm at home or with family, i do hold myself back when in public but if i'm with people i know i just don't give a crap.

 

[Ikagura]

Okay what the hell?

i've heard that people in their 60's and older just straight up wait for others to get into the room with them, and just let it rip, and dead ass stare the other people in the eyes when they do it. they don't give a shit.

Being old should not excuse being rude imo...

 

[MasterEn]

Okay what the hell?


Being old should not excuse being rude imo...

i know. not every old person does it, but some do.

 

[Ikagura]

I know. not every old person does it, but some do.

I remember how someone told me how extremely annoying elder people could be in Japan since it's a strict culture so they usually do a 180° as they no longer care...

 

[MasterEn]

I remember how someone told me how extremely annoying elder people could be in Japan since it's a strict culture so they usually do a 180° as they no longer care...

yeah, i can see that being a thing. would certainly explain miyazaki's "anime was a mistake" line he said at one point. they adhere to the rules of society so strictly and have to be so polite that when they get to that age, they can cut loose with their true thoughts and opinions.

 

[Benjamillion]

Okay what the hell?

Get used to asking that a lot with my posts

 

[Yousef's iconYousef]

Honestly might lock this thread. I don’t think this is a discussion worth having. Seems like it’d go nowhere and would just gross out random bystanders, just my two cents

 

[Benjamillion]

Aww, well it was fun while it lasted

 

[Ikagura]

yeah, i can see that being a thing. would certainly explain miyazaki's "anime was a mistake" line he said at one point. they adhere to the rules of society so strictly and have to be so polite that when they get to that age, they can cut loose with their true thoughts and opinions.

As much as I love his work as an artist I feel that most old artists that cannot follow new trends are saying how it's bad.

Oh and apparently the context is different:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/ieiueg/contextualizing_miyazakis_anime_was_a_mistake/

Spoiler: Long message

Yes, He didn't really say "Anime was a mistake", He said "Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people". But that doesn't make for a snappy title. So anyway:

Contextualizing Miyazaki's "Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people"​

So most people in the anime community have probably heard this before. It gets tossed around every time amateur writers/bloggers have to make broad analysis of the industry, why modern anime is bad etc. But devoid of context this quote turns out to be rather misleading. The quote is part of translated pictures of an interview of Miyazaki published by Soranews24.

The full context of the quote is as follows:

In the images, we see the director working on a drawing of a young girl, of course with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth (we’re beginning to suspect the smokes are some sort of growth that protrudes from Miyazaki’s mouth, given the rarity of seeing him without one).

As he sketches, Miyazaki expounds on why he’s able to do the things he does, saying:

“You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, ‘Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life.”

“If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it.”

“Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves.”

“Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know.”

“It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans.”

“And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!”

Clearly the quote is specifically in reference to drawing/character design and not stories or tropes in anime as one would immediately assume! This interview was published in various outlets with a similar headline, "Hayao Miyazaki says the anime industry’s problem is that it’s full of otaku" so this might be a case of people reading just the headline and running with it rather than read the actual body of the article.

But Miyazaki has criticized anime writing before right? Yes he has! “Today, I rarely watch any animation that amazes me or makes my heart pound with excitement” This quote was seen in the essay Nostalgia for a Lost World which can be found in his essay collection Starting Point. But this essay was published in 1979! Perhaps the kind of anime that appeal to Miyazaki are those from the very infancy of the medium.

But is the industry full of otaku? Well Miyazaki may be out of touch but in the absence of any hard statistics about Otaku population in the industry we don't really have any grounds to doubt him. Instead, just as a semi-analytical exercise, lets take a bunch of well-known anime industry personalities and examine their backgrounds to classify them as Otaku or Notaku(Not otaku) based on the kind of anime they've made:

• Hideaki Anno, director of Evangelion among other anime: Huge Otaku
• Hiroyuki Imaishi, director and founder of studio Trigger: A lot of his work is inspired by Mecha anime of the past so Otaku
• Masaaki Yuasa, director and founder of studio Science Saru: He started out working on kids shows like Shin Chan and Chibi Maruko Chan so let's say he is a Notaku.
• Tsutomu Mizushima, prolific director of comedy anime: He has a similar background to Yuasa working on kids shows to begin with so lets put him in the Notaku category.
• Mamoru Hosoda, movie director: He worked on Digimon and other Toei poperties aimed at children so he's a Notaku too.
• Makoto Shinkai, movie director: he used to work for a game company and did the opening for the VN Ef series but his influences and interests weren't in media aimed at otaku so let's not put him in either category.
• Naoko Yamada, anime director: She wasn't much of an anime fan at all before joining KyoAni, being into film and photography instead so Notaku.
• Akiyuki Shinbou, director and founder of studio SHAFT: Most of his work is on Otaku properties and the first show he worked on was Urusei Yatsura which is very influential among Otaku.
• Mari Okada, writer of several drama anime: She used to be a hikkikomori and started out working in the games industry so maybe we can consider her "someone who can't stand looking at other humans" as Miyazaki said? This Otaku classification is in no way intended to be mean spirited by the way.
• Gen Urobuchi, once famous anime writer: Started out writing for Nitroplus VNs so Otaku.

That's enough people, so what was the purpose of this exercise? Miyazaki's "that’s why the industry is full of otaku!” statement is true but as you can see there are also plenty of prominent Non-Otaku working in the industry. It's also to consider if the Otaku = bad line of thought is really something to give credence. Do the Otaku creators listed here do a poor job at their work? I'd say a lot of Otaku in the industry do have the ability to create interesting and human characters.

As for Miyazaki's actual criticism of drawings/character designs not looking like real people, well stuff like strange fashion and wild, oddly colored hair are something we've come to expect from anime. But with the freedom animation provides it would be a shame to restrict it to what would be considered 'realistic'. That isn't to say that any otaku who wants to draw waifus can easily enter the industry. The anime industry has punishing schedules, drawings that aren't up to standard are rejected by the animation director and it does attract talented artists from top universities like Geidai as well as from all around the world. To become an animator you need genuine skill and passion for animation.

Ultimately rather than Otaku, perhaps the greater threat to anime as an art form is overproduction. An increasing number of anime are greenlit every year promoting other source media, with harsh production schedules that often lead to subpar products. But this has been talked about by people far more knowledgeable than me and this piece of writing has gone on long enough. For now all I hope is that this will inspire more nuanced criticism of the anime industry.

 

[J.F.C]

I'm not sure how you guys even went from talking about old people farting to Miyazaki.
Also why even lock the thread? It's inoffensive and funny.

 

[Benjamillion]

Honestly, I don't see the problem since I've seen profile posts that are basically the same lol. I just thought I'd discuss one of those relatable things that just make you feel old and need to get used to at a specific age

 

[Yousef's iconYousef]

A lot of those profile posts get reported or outright taken down, it’s not an indication that being an intentionally gross is accepted, that’s just a false impression, in my opinion we should all be mindful, my two cents anyways

 

[MasterEn]

As much as I love his work as an artist I feel that most old artists that cannot follow new trends are saying how it's bad.

Oh and apparently the context is different:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/ieiueg/contextualizing_miyazakis_anime_was_a_mistake/

Spoiler: Long message

Yes, He didn't really say "Anime was a mistake", He said "Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people". But that doesn't make for a snappy title. So anyway:

Contextualizing Miyazaki's "Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people"​

So most people in the anime community have probably heard this before. It gets tossed around every time amateur writers/bloggers have to make broad analysis of the industry, why modern anime is bad etc. But devoid of context this quote turns out to be rather misleading. The quote is part of translated pictures of an interview of Miyazaki published by Soranews24.

The full context of the quote is as follows:









Clearly the quote is specifically in reference to drawing/character design and not stories or tropes in anime as one would immediately assume! This interview was published in various outlets with a similar headline, "Hayao Miyazaki says the anime industry’s problem is that it’s full of otaku" so this might be a case of people reading just the headline and running with it rather than read the actual body of the article.

But Miyazaki has criticized anime writing before right? Yes he has! “Today, I rarely watch any animation that amazes me or makes my heart pound with excitement” This quote was seen in the essay Nostalgia for a Lost World which can be found in his essay collection Starting Point. But this essay was published in 1979! Perhaps the kind of anime that appeal to Miyazaki are those from the very infancy of the medium.

But is the industry full of otaku? Well Miyazaki may be out of touch but in the absence of any hard statistics about Otaku population in the industry we don't really have any grounds to doubt him. Instead, just as a semi-analytical exercise, lets take a bunch of well-known anime industry personalities and examine their backgrounds to classify them as Otaku or Notaku(Not otaku) based on the kind of anime they've made:

• Hideaki Anno, director of Evangelion among other anime: Huge Otaku
• Hiroyuki Imaishi, director and founder of studio Trigger: A lot of his work is inspired by Mecha anime of the past so Otaku
• Masaaki Yuasa, director and founder of studio Science Saru: He started out working on kids shows like Shin Chan and Chibi Maruko Chan so let's say he is a Notaku.
• Tsutomu Mizushima, prolific director of comedy anime: He has a similar background to Yuasa working on kids shows to begin with so lets put him in the Notaku category.
• Mamoru Hosoda, movie director: He worked on Digimon and other Toei poperties aimed at children so he's a Notaku too.
• Makoto Shinkai, movie director: he used to work for a game company and did the opening for the VN Ef series but his influences and interests weren't in media aimed at otaku so let's not put him in either category.
• Naoko Yamada, anime director: She wasn't much of an anime fan at all before joining KyoAni, being into film and photography instead so Notaku.
• Akiyuki Shinbou, director and founder of studio SHAFT: Most of his work is on Otaku properties and the first show he worked on was Urusei Yatsura which is very influential among Otaku.
• Mari Okada, writer of several drama anime: She used to be a hikkikomori and started out working in the games industry so maybe we can consider her "someone who can't stand looking at other humans" as Miyazaki said? This Otaku classification is in no way intended to be mean spirited by the way.
• Gen Urobuchi, once famous anime writer: Started out writing for Nitroplus VNs so Otaku.

That's enough people, so what was the purpose of this exercise? Miyazaki's "that’s why the industry is full of otaku!” statement is true but as you can see there are also plenty of prominent Non-Otaku working in the industry. It's also to consider if the Otaku = bad line of thought is really something to give credence. Do the Otaku creators listed here do a poor job at their work? I'd say a lot of Otaku in the industry do have the ability to create interesting and human characters.

As for Miyazaki's actual criticism of drawings/character designs not looking like real people, well stuff like strange fashion and wild, oddly colored hair are something we've come to expect from anime. But with the freedom animation provides it would be a shame to restrict it to what would be considered 'realistic'. That isn't to say that any otaku who wants to draw waifus can easily enter the industry. The anime industry has punishing schedules, drawings that aren't up to standard are rejected by the animation director and it does attract talented artists from top universities like Geidai as well as from all around the world. To become an animator you need genuine skill and passion for animation.

Ultimately rather than Otaku, perhaps the greater threat to anime as an art form is overproduction. An increasing number of anime are greenlit every year promoting other source media, with harsh production schedules that often lead to subpar products. But this has been talked about by people far more knowledgeable than me and this piece of writing has gone on long enough. For now all I hope is that this will inspire more nuanced criticism of the anime industry.

huh. i never knew about the context of that line. interesting. thanks for the info. i'll be reading up on this later.

 

[J.F.C]

A lot of those profile posts get reported or outright taken down, it’s not an indication that being an intentionally gross is accepted, that’s just a false impression, in my opinion we should all be mindful, my two cents anyways

It's just farts man, it's not like Benjamillion was talking about smearing shit all over his walls or something, it's inoffensive tame stuff. It just seems like an overreaction to lock a thread over something so silly.

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

Never too late to learn.

 

[Raggs]

It's a big planet with a vast vast array of cultural norms. No doubt somewhere on Earth public flatulence will get you arrested.

From my own experience, I was not okay with farting where ever and when ever in my 30s. By my 40s I was fine with farting in my house. I'll have to be pretty soft in the head in the future to just let one rip in a room full of people. OTOH, I just described my grandma and my aunt back in the day.

 

[Ikagura]

I'm not sure how you guys even went from talking about old people farting to Miyazaki.
Also why even lock the thread? It's inoffensive and funny.

I prefer elevating the level.

It's just farts man, it's not like Benjamillion was talking about smearing shit all over his walls or something, it's inoffensive tame stuff. It just seems like an overreaction to lock a thread over something so silly.

To be honest it's more like a societal rule to not do unpleasant noises in public (like yawing with noise).

Even if I accidentally burp even while alone I instinctively say a small "sorry" because I can never know if there's actually something I didn't notice.

It's a big planet with a vast vast array of cultural norms.

Well, I think that among Berbers, after a meal it's considered rude to not let out a burp just to tell that it was good (because of food scarcity it was rare to eat as much as you could have air going up).

This is also why some even say hamdulilah (basically "bless you") after someone does it (even outside a meal) as I read somewhere.