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Message: [QUOTE="Ikagura, post: 150543, member: 6930"] I still believe that Watchmen is a better The Boys. But I'd probably take nihilism and cynism over 4th wall breaking and "self-aware" writing all day. Portrayal of things is a mirror to the epoch and society it's created in (like how XIX century books are much more religiously-charged than modern ones or how kid shows in the 70's did things that would be unthinkable today). There has always been a rebellious attitude in media and art. Teens have always wanted to feel subversive by looking at violent things to feel more adult. As for the fetishes it's hard to tell if it's done in good faith or truly a creator having one because you see many old cartoons having the "male character crossdressing as female to attract the villain" in a comedic way (ie: Bugs Bunny in many of his older instances) which nowadays would be seen either as poor taste towards gender non-conforming people (since the entire gag is around the whole "guy dressing as a woman looks ridiculous" which could harm real crossdressing and nonbinary people) or as a fetish (since crossdressing can be used in sexual scenarios). This is why people telling that Totally Spies being a fetish show are assuming that it's in this way and not ever addressing that possibly it's just that fetishes can be about anything ever existing (which is the definition of the term) instead. I mean Age Regression, Gender-Swapping and even Mind-Swapping are common cartoon plots for episodes (who has never seen an episode where the main characters turn into kids or babies? I've noticed that even as a kid that it was a common scenario) yet people could assimilate these as fetish-material because of how some could see it. I mean even vampires and werewolves have that sub-text (a creature of the night that is either powerful or wealthy going for a maiden may imply many things). Oh and because many old cartoons have dirty jokes that you don't get as a kid, it's been shown many times (I won't even mention Tex Avery since they weren't necessarily made for kids). Maybe it depends of the person and their resilience on material. I do agree that more blood/gore doesn't equal better though. I still like when, instead of saying "No! We're not the same at all!" and spend time explaining why the hero says "of course we are, I just have chosen a righteous path instead of you." which is much better. Ie: The Doctor in the 2005 series with Eccleston telling that maybe he's not so different from that last Dalek who cowardly escaped the war like he did. As for the "you're no better than me" I agree. I still like when it's not the hero that kills the antagonist but the antihero who knows he shouldn't let him have blood on his hands or the antagonist's second having a last hour turn of heart and is the one ultimately killing the villain. Darth Vador is a perfect example of such. Redemptions are hard to properly do but when it's done well it can be memorable. I remember Japanese series and more modern western ones that had some good arcs for some of the antagonists. Of course, the main big bad guy being still the major issue should still be there. I don't relate to Skeletor but in a sea of "subversive antagonists" it feels like fresh hair because he's so obsessed with He-Man that it became almost like a brotherly rivalry. [/QUOTE]

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