Wdym GTA is overrated?

[valosagutas]

I can confrim GTA made me relaise im beyond stupid im so dumb it´s a wonder im alive.

35 years of gaming played over 600 games beaten nearly 400 games. And I can´t still understand how GTA series is the most beloved of all time the first 3 games where basic fun at best. The rest of the game just same shit over and over with better graphics new playable charter and slightly different story. It´s like Pokemon and COD. You played one you played them all.

I do personally love GTA San Andreas because it's more than a GTA game in my mind. It's like a great adventure book you can play. It's the only game offer you variety of so much missions and situations as its gameplay offers a high sandbox fun. Eventually an ordinary guy from the hood find himself being used like a special agent between multiple cities as there is decent character development here you will never see in other GTA games. And then he returns to his home and stays for what's left of his family by making a new family mixed with his own old family.

I don't mean to say GTA SA situation and story is peak in video gaming, I think it in the context of GTA series.

First GTA games is "go there, kill him and steal that car."

GTA 3 has a lifeless empty character who doesn't even talk. It's like being a freelancer simulator in the illegal scene.

GTA Vice City has a character talks too much. Just shut up Tommy, show me the money or you'll be killed by Sonny so don't go home crying for your mommy. This is all the game is about with crazy missions but they were fun, man. There are really memorable ones.

GTA San Andreas is different thing. CJ is very relatable character for many reasons that require me to write about all of the game to explain why. When CJ talks I sit and listen lol. You start the game and see CJ had to return to the damn city he escaped for a better life by saying "Oh shit here we go again." but then he stayed because of his family by self-sacrificing himself, damn that's really a decent character writing. Great change compared to Tommy. As the game continues the sense of adventure keep changing and I do assure you nothing you experience in GTA San Andreas is something that you will ever experience in any other game. You will never be chased by police helicopter and saw police murder each other just to catch you by making each other go in pieces. You will never follow that damn train with a person who rides motorbike for you. You will never jump from other plane from another plane -> get inside and kill people without making the plane crash. You will never kill a person you love who want to kill you because he is corrupted so much because of money he still wanna kill you despite he loves you so much. Hideo Kojima stole the idea for emotional boss fight for MGS3 from GTA SA but it wasn't as striking as GTA SA lol. I especially cried when after that boss fight in GTA SA this song played: "I gave my life, not for trains, but for number 7" lolol

However I gotta admit I really loved to immerse myself into the story of "I have no idea who plays with me like a fiddle" story and CJs character development that he showed who is the boss is very remarkable point in video game history.

GTA 4 is all about your cousin. Cousin and the cousin.

GTA 5 is all about heists. There is an ordinary young man. An ordinary old man. And there is extraordinary man who exist just because at the time crazy characters were very popular. If Rockstar had wanted to create a character about what people wanted in GTA SA they wouldn't make CJ exist. They wouldn't write a story like that. In the end future of GTA could have ended with GTA San Andreas if it weren't a video game like that.

So why I love GTA San Andreas? I do love the diverse gamemap and sandbox fun I do have, but I also love CJ. There is no such a character you will ever see in anything. Playing as such a character and experiencing his life is not something you will experience in any other game. I love CJ but no homo damn lol.

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

I like the PS2 era games for their more arcadey feel, but once they tried to get more realistic and grounded with 4 onward I stopped caring. These games are nowhere near my favourites though, so in that sense I can say they're "overrated"
also shout out to the Dreamcast port of GTA2, it's pretty good.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

GTA games are overrated to hell and back, sure the freedom at the time was revolutionary to some degree. But coming back to them with the original hardware and television at the time. The games are tedious. Most of the missions in VC and 3 are just steal X or Kill y. No variety in the way to tackle the missions, mission structure is hand holding. They do try to mix it up with a race or a RC mission. But those are few and far between.
Collectibles? You can scatter collectibles in any game and claim the length could be justified. Sadly ALL GTA collectibles are unneccassary and unfun. Bloats the games and the unlockable is useless when a cheat code can do the same with a fraction of the time spent collecting.
San Andreas is the same, only exemption is that the mission variety has been fixed but still no way to handle the missions you want.
GTA4 is one of my favorite games of all time, and they still havent fixed any issues that persist in these games. Rockstar has made sure they hold your hand extra hard going forward with Red Dead Series and GTA 5+.

In the end, these games are nothing more than 6 out of 10 games. People praise these for the story or the soundtrack yet no one talks about the gameplay. They shrug it off or ignore it. The issue is in the plate and yet they eat around it.

 

[valosagutas]

San Andreas is the same, only exemption is that the mission variety has been fixed but still no way to handle the missions you want.

My brain crashed with BSOD due to I_have_no_idea_what_you_mean 0x00000050 error lol.

If a mission asks you to kill a person you have many ways to do it.

If a mission ask you to go somewhere you have many ways to do it.

Some missions require their own narratives to keep intact. Yes, it may be bothering when you should only drive Big Smoke's car because he refuse to get out of the car despite it's on fire because he really loves his car enough to die in it, but it's very realistic, man. There are really tons of people like that lol.

Some missions ask you to jump from plane to plane to enter it. I have no idea how else you can do it when the mission already force you to do it in the best way possible.

Though I may agree on it would be great to skip some missions, but then it added into the character narrative on all the BS CJ has to do for a better life he always dreamed. He self-sacrificed his life by expecting to lose his future but at least not his family but in the end he earned lots of stuff most of us cannot dream of but we are blessed with not having such a BS past he has to live with lol. Sometimes life gives us no choice so we fail in life if we don't do what we have to do perfectly in one way, so not wanting a game to be realistic is not realistic for me. This is also a game for it has its own rule you have to play by hence it's a game. To me your argument seems like "I dislike chess because pieces cannot move in the way I want.". Disliking chess because how boring the game is realistic reason, not because of the game's rule rather for the fact that it's a game. Then your argument becomes "I dislike this game because it's a game so I wish it wasn't a game" then what you would play when it's not a game? When video game industry already killed video gaming by spamming non-game rubbish programs, your argument makes an exclamation mark of fundamental reason for why video game industry died, because non-gamers don't want games to be a game. They want to walk, listen to pointless dialogues, virtual date with digital women and watch 3 hours cutscene.

If you expect Deus Ex 1 gameplay, it would be great if a GTA were an immersive sim but it's beyond of what Rockstar was ever capable of, especially too much to expect from the new generation Rockstar.

As for collectables, I'm the guy who bought every clothes in the game lol. I completed every graffiti stuff. I collected every horseshoe. I collected.. IDK what they were underwater lol. They were useful. It gave you benefits for the weird sense of RPG aspect of the game lol. It was satisfying to play a legit game without cheating, man. GTA SA is fun without cheats but more fun with cheats.

Then you would really hate GTA 4 and 5 more and in comparison GTA SA would be the best game ever developed lol.

 

[BladeEXE67]

My first GTA was San Andreas on PC, as a kid, to me it was a sandbox to fuck around, see how long you can hold up before the military gets you. This forever stuck with me and I could never bring myself to actually play the story. There are far better games like May Payne or Skyrim that keep me engaged. I played GTA V for a while, GTA Online was a shameless cashgrab and having GTA 6 mentioned everywhere on the net is really annoying. There are people that don't care about GTA 6, I am more hyped about the new Onimusha.

 

[valosagutas]

My first GTA was San Andreas on PC, as a kid, to me it was a sandbox to fuck around, see how long you can hold up before the military gets you. This forever stuck with me and I could never bring myself to actually play the story. There are far better games like May Payne or Skyrim that keep me engaged. I played GTA V for a while, GTA Online was a shameless cashgrab and having GTA 6 mentioned everywhere on the net is really annoying. There are people that don't care about GTA 6, I am more hyped about the new Onimusha.

You have discovered the core fun of GTA series that's killed after GTA SA: Finding a tank -> wrecking everywhere -> surviving as long as you can by raising the heat all the way by genociding the whole army lol.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

My brain crashed with BSOD due to I_have_no_idea_what_you_mean 0x00000050 error lol.

If a mission asks you to kill a person you have many ways to do it.

If a mission ask you to go somewhere you have many ways to do it.

Some missions require their own narratives to keep intact. Yes, it may be bothering when you should only drive Big Smoke's car because he refuse to get out of the car despite it's on fire because he really loves his car enough to die in it, but it's very realistic, man. There are really tons of people like that lol.

Some missions ask you to jump from plane to plane to enter it. I have no idea how else you can do it when the mission already force you to do it in the best way possible.

Though I may agree on it would be great to skip some missions, but then it added into the character narrative on all the BS CJ has to do for a better life he always dreamed. He self-sacrificed his life by expecting to lose his future but at least not his family but in the end he earned lots of stuff most of us cannot dream of but we are blessed with not having such a BS past he has to live with lol. Sometimes life gives us no choice so we fail in life if we don't do what we have to do perfectly in one way, so not wanting a game to be realistic is not realistic for me. This is also a game for it has its own rule you have to play by hence it's a game. To me your argument seems like "I dislike chess because pieces cannot move in the way I want.". Disliking chess because how boring the game is realistic reason, not because of the game's rule rather for the fact that it's a game. Then your argument becomes "I dislike this game because it's a game so I wish it wasn't a game" then what you would play when it's not a game? When video game industry already killed video gaming by spamming non-game rubbish programs, your argument makes an exclamation mark of fundamental reason for why video game industry died, because non-gamers don't want games to be a game. They want to walk, listen to pointless dialogues, virtual date with digital women and watch 3 hours cutscene.

If you expect Deus Ex 1 gameplay, it would be great if a GTA were an immersive sim but it's beyond of what Rockstar was ever capable of, especially too much to expect from the new generation Rockstar.

As for collectables, I'm the guy who bought every clothes in the game lol. I completed every graffiti stuff. I collected every horseshoe. I collected.. IDK what they were underwater lol. They were useful. It gave you benefits for the weird sense of RPG aspect of the game lol. It was satisfying to play a legit game without cheating, man. GTA SA is fun without cheats but more fun with cheats.

Then you would really hate GTA 4 and 5 more and in comparison GTA SA would be the best game ever developed lol.

i dont understand you got the assumption that I would hate chess cause "the pieces dont move in the way i want" Your assumptions are baseless and serves nothing but too bloat the already bloated response that could be discussed in a matter of several sentences.

But enough of sentence structuring, The complaint stems from 5 whole games and nothing changed in mission structure. It seems you didn't read the rest of my comment, since you assumed that I don't play video games cause the game is too "Video Gamey" or "The game doesn't move the way i want". Which is false, I just want more ways to tackle missions besides, kill X with Z instead of Y.

"Then you would really hate GTA 4 and 5 more and in comparison GTA SA would be the best game ever developed lol."
I assuming you didn't read the rest of my post, so I'm not gonna discuss this with you at this point.

 

[ciro64]

Bro you get to shoot and run over people in a big city since when that's overrated

I'll definitely defend it was groundbreaking for its time at least, but I still had lots of fun with GTA V's online despite its faults, I'm hoping that the next installment will fix those

 

[valosagutas]

i dont understand you got the assumption that I would hate chess cause "the pieces dont move in the way i want" Your assumptions are baseless and serves nothing but too bloat the already bloated response that could be discussed in a matter of several sentences.

But enough of sentence structuring, The complaint stems from 5 whole games and nothing changed in mission structure. It seems you didn't read the rest of my comment, since you assumed that I don't play video games cause the game is too "Video Gamey" or "The game doesn't move the way i want". Which is false, I just want more ways to tackle missions besides, kill X with Z instead of Y.

"Then you would really hate GTA 4 and 5 more and in comparison GTA SA would be the best game ever developed lol."
I assuming you didn't read the rest of my post, so I'm not gonna discuss this with you at this point.

I see. I agree to disagree then. No hard feelings. I was too blinded by my love for GTA SA lol.