Time to name and shame

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Dude you just want to hate indie games lol. Yes like AAA games is not "inspired" by good games... AAA games literally using same shit formula and stick to that... at least these years lol.

Video games are invented and started by indie developers, without them this hobby couldn't become an industry to begin with and there wouldn't be an AAA industry without they made video games popular: OXO, Tennis for Two, Space War.

Video game history 101: Some guys stole the indie game Space War and sold the idea as first arcade machine in existence called Computer Space. When indie devs create games for fun companies just wanna sell game to make money, they don't give a shit about fun. That's why they do stick to proved formulas to sell BS just because it's popular.

Indie games are very important for the industry beyond that:

- Rogue: Exploring the Dungeons of Doom is an indie game invented "rogue-like" genre... dude because of this game they are called "rogue-like" lol.

- PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds which is standalone version of an indie game invented battle royal genre that AAA games stole the idea.

- Dear Esther initially a mod but turned into a standalone game is prime early example of a walking simulator game that even made Hideo Kojima develop walking simulators lol.

- Dream Quest is the reason for core identity of rogue-like deck building games today.

- Manbiki Shounen an indie game from 1979 invented stealth genre which inspired many games but Metal Gear games known instead which were stolen by the famous thief Hideo Kojima lol.

- Mystery House is an indie video game that invented graphic adventure game genre and can be debated as the first visual horror game after text based games.

- 3D Monster Maze can be considered the first survival horror game in its core and it's what I would call survival horror because all you can do is run away lol.

And there are indie games did their own thing so they are not like anything you saw before:

- Outer Wilds: There is no enemy to attack or run away from, you following the story to figure stuff out in puzzle elements.

- Papers, please: Slice of life game has a point to make via boring shit you do lol.

- The Stanley Parable: A "I have a point to make" game for sense of humor to experience.

Now now, all AAA video game companies does is releasing copy-paste games they stole from each other that lacks features even from games released like 2 decades ago lol.

You are right on these i should have clarified more , the indie space around the time today and these past years not like 30 years ago because 30 years ago or 40 years ago the market had few games and there was space to make new ideas like rouge.

Some of the best games I have ever played are indie and the NES has plenty of timeless classics. So does the Game Boy. A good game is a good game regardless of budget or the constraints of a console. If anything those limitations force people to get creative.

Right a good game is a good game regardless constraints resulted in some really neat design choices like the fog in silent hill.

Indie games have more constraint and that's when a good game developer shines.

@qw90700 @Pandaprewmaster325 the idea of "aaa vs indie" and seperating them as if they're different genres is FUNDAMENTALLY flawed, most of the best indie games are made by devs who either came from major studios, or end up at one (christian whitehead's studio is a major example)

if you say you hate all or most AAA games, you're just lying to be contrarian, if you say all or most indie games are poorly made slop, you're just lying to be contrarian, they're video games, if you don't like a game you don't like it, some companies make mediocre games, some companies don't, MOST indie studios make bad games (simply because there are so many), a LOT don't.

it's not that you "don't like AAA games" or "indie games aren't as innovative," you just have bad taste or haven't played the right games.
for qw it's definitely the former.

I'm not really hating on indie games the discussion started because i mentioned a friend of mine who sees indie games as superior to AAA or non-indie games when some of these indie games still use and are inspired by games made by bigger studios you have something like fear and hunger which has some elements inspired by silent hill made by Konami quite the company.

It is true i didnt play any indie games i didnt say they are necessarily garbage but this idea that indie games are superior and solo developers are like angels is just a new silly idea i came across and found it quite nonsense

 

[Burzuru]

dark souls 3 and elden ring
too many bosses/enemies with lengthy combos and wide or spinning swing arcs. its not fun to deal with.

most games using some version of dnd for gameplay, with the kotor games being the one exception.
i don't know what it is but i just don't enjoy dnd's gameplay. it just never clicks with me.

 

[Badseed]

ANYTHING NOW from the N64 besides the AKI wrasslers should be felt with COMPLETE shame. You dont like it? Come at me with your Superman, Quest, and especially SM64. All garbage.

 

[qw90700]

You are right on these i should have clarified more , the indie space around the time today and these past years not like 30 years ago because 30 years ago or 40 years ago the market had few games and there was space to make new ideas like rouge.

Sure, until around 2015 the indie industry was decent but around 2010 AAA games were so shit people started to like indie games more which made the whole video game industry upside down. It was when retro games, copy-paste indie games, art-wannabe games and copy-paste horror games were spammed since then but since Valve gone horny route they added porn games too to drop atomic bomb on already dying video game industry. As a result relatively AAA games being more like indie games and indie games trying more like AAA games in terms of having whatever is popular for Americans that turned into brainwashing tool these years lol. In that context for like 5 years AAA games are better than indie games but there are still decent indie games around like Earthion,The friends of Ringo Ishikawa, No Time, Chef RPG, World of Horror, Long Gone Day, et cetera as recent examples.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Sure, until around 2015 the indie industry was decent but around 2010 AAA games were so shit people started to like indie games more which made the whole video game industry upside down. It was when retro games, copy-paste indie games, art-wannabe games and copy-paste horror games were spammed since then but since Valve gone horny route they added porn games too to drop atomic bomb on already dying video game industry. As a result relatively AAA games being more like indie games and indie games trying more like AAA games in terms of having whatever is popular for Americans that turned into brainwashing tool these years lol. In that context for like 5 years AAA games are better than indie games but there are still decent indie games around like Earthion,The friends of Ringo Ishikawa, No Time, Chef RPG, World of Horror, Long Gone Day, et cetera as recent examples.

And that's the thing indie games have been known to be either cutsie farming game aka stardew valley copy number 569 or dumb mascot horror aka fnaf copy number 999 the outliers if good stand out.

The industry does need some shaking up.