Thoughts on Artifical Intelligence

[MasterEn]

Even a kindergartener knows how many fingers should be on a hand. Until AI figures that part out, I refuse to call it intelligence.

i've noticed that too. little details like that are what tells me it's going to take some time before itcould be considered a viable threat to artists, and by then, there will be some rule saying that an ai mark needs to be place on the drawing or something like that. deviantart has a filter to block ai art out while you're browsing their site. and newgrounds prohibits it unless is something like a background in a hand/mouse drawn picture.

 

[Waffles]

Nice trick!

Writing it down. You know, for a friend...

 

[Prism_Red]

If we go by modern definition, it’s a joke.
If we go by proper definition, AKA a tool to help you be more productive, it doesn’t get enough credit.

That's what it suppose to be, AI is a tool, the purpose of a tool is to assist the user to reach whatever goal desired, the human element still need to be present as its foundation, it was never meant as a replacement for human experience.

In my opinion, instead of blaming AI, we should try to educate ourselves better on how to use these tools responsibly.

 

[Waffles]

AI is a tool, the purpose of a tool is to assist the user to reach whatever goal desired, the human element still need to be present as its foundation, it was never meant as a replacement for human experience.

Yes, you are right.

But the quote "man must shape his tools lest they shape him" was made precisely because we don't know how to set those boundaries.

 

[Tonberry]

there are plenty of people out there that don't have the time to handle every small detail or may never quite possess the ability to draw what they see in their head

Sure, but I still disagree. Anecdotal but I’ve made games in team sizes from everything between two and twenty, in timespans ranging from a weekend to over a year. Never used AI generated art and wouldn’t have accepted it either. Not all of them were good (most stunk) but we as teams made them ourselves.

Art, like any discipline, is hard work, and you shouldn’t take shortcuts by letting something else do it for you in such a way, because it leads to bad habits at best and destroys any drive and passion you had at worst.

Lots of amateurs nowadays (much due to how social media tells them that likes are better than just getting your stuff out there) get hung up on the idea that expertise is more important than intention, so they gaslight themselves into thinking that they’ll never be good enough to create, and instead resort to playing around with algorithms and eventually the artist inside them just fades away, and I think that’s so sad I could actually cry.

It’s such a muddled discussion that I’ve stepped away from it mostly because everyone talks about different things and shit gets conflated and confused all the time, but seeing as this forum is pretty new and I like it here, I figured I’d state my thoughts at least once.

 

[MasterEn]

Sure, but I still disagree. Anecdotal but I’ve made games in teams sizes from everything between two and twenty, in timespans ranging from a weekend to a year. Never used AI generated art and wouldn’t have accepted it either. Not all of them were good (most stunk) but we as teams made them ourselves.

Art, like any discipline, is hard work, and you shouldn’t take shortcuts by letting something else do it for you in such a way, because it leads to bad habits at best and destroys any drive and passion you had at worst.

Lots of amateurs nowadays (much due to how social media tells them that likes are better than just getting your stuff out there) get hung up on the idea that expertise is more important than intention, so they gaslight themselves into thinking that they’ll never be good enough to create, and instead resort to playing around with algorithms and eventually the artist inside them just fades away, and I think that’s so sad I could actually cry.

It’s such a muddled discussion that I’ve stepped away from it mostly because everyone talks about different things and shit gets conflated and confused all the time, but seeing as this forum is pretty new and I like it here, I figured I’d state my thoughts at least once.

for games, i would the ai to help with the programming. i hae next to no experience with programming. i would make all of the art assests and then have the ai help me with creating the base of the game and other functions that i would have trouble with. i've seen code bullet use ai to help him out in some of his videos.
likes are nice. but the thrill of seeing people favorite your drawings does go away after a while. nowadays i get more curious seeing the favorites gallery of someone who hits the favorite or watch button over on DeviantArt.
ai in the end, is a tool. and the user's intent is behind the tool is very important. and for the time being, its going to get attention, but that too will subside; like virtual reality. it took 20 years for that to come back after being the spotlight for like 3 years in the late 90's/00's.

 

[otogirisou]

I use AI to ask how to use some command line programs, and it helps a lot. Asking human this kind of thing often result with them ridiculing me or think i am an experienced programmer.

For drawing, i don't use it much because i can't make it draw the way i imagined.

 

[MasterEn]

i just remembered this video. i think this shows off the best potential for ai based art.:

 

[Tonberry]

i would the ai to help with the programming. i hae next to no experience with programming. i would make all of the art assests and then have the ai help me with creating the base of the game and other functions that i would have trouble with.

All I can say is that I wish you the best of luck with whatever you want to create as long as you find meaning in it yourself.

Work hard, have fun and, most importantly of all, persevere.

 

[MasterEn]

All I can say is that I wish you the best of luck with whatever you want to create as long as you find meaning in it yourself.

Work hard, have fun and, most importantly of all, persevere.
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i only just noticed the spelling mistakes in my post. i keep missing keys when i type.
if i had a team to work with, i wouldn't use ai; i'd use it for memes or something like that. i like to draw my own stuff. i do like the small sense of pride when i finish a sketch or digital drawing, knowing that i got what was in my head onto the paper and screen.
don't worry, i'm working hard to get better in all of my skillsets.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I hope it makes game development easier, everything to have alternative from the usual publishers; and it looks like it will because already it can generate something that is at least playable

I'm also very happy about it when it comes to translations, I wanted to show king of the hill to my friends as there is no current way to watch it subtitled in italian and opensubtitles' AI is already so good you can perfectly follow an episode and only like 20% of lines are mistraslated\need touch ups
Before that I used to take at least 40 mins-an hour to translate an episode, it was a godsend

before that if you didnt know and wanted to watched something non mainstream subbed in ita you were almost sol, sure a handful of things were done by fansub groups but not nearly enough

When it comes to art and animation I hate it, I already dont like digital drawings\coloring\cg, I like stuff someone made with their own two hands; but I've made peace with the fact no studio is ever gonna do cel animation again

 

[Prism_Red]

I use AI to ask how to use some command line programs, and it helps a lot. Asking human this kind of thing often result with them ridiculing me or think i am an experienced programmer.

For drawing, i don't use it much because i can't make it draw the way i imagined.

I'm a software developer and I often do both.
Ask AI how to code stuff, try to implement it on my codes and if it fails, I post my snippet and ask someone about it on internet.

Leave it for a day, then come back to see the replies, usually you may encounter these types of people:
1. Actually helpful and explains and/or gives you better alternative > this is what we want.
2. Someone else with similar problem > I'll assume this problem is naturally complex and hasn't been explored deep enough, find another alternative.
3. Ridicules you > ignore the ones who doesn't give you constructive feedback.

 

[DragonMals]

Huh. For some reason, I did not get notifs for this fourm post despite having it on Watch.

I use AI to explore topics that are simply not safe to board with another person (like my biggest fears and some of my darkest memories), as well as to write and flesh out plots for stories and characters that I simply cannot put into words myself.

You use AI to talk about your biggest fears and darkest memories? Considering the state of Ai, I wouldn't handle the discussion of that to something that is always actively being trained and put into a system where it can potentially get used against you for. I believe that talking to someone about this might seem extremely uncomfortable but it's much better than giving it to a non existent entity that is a robot. This is just my opinion though; If you ever feel that it's the best appropriate scenario to do, thewn that's completely fine!

It seems AI is now shorthand for “do my work for me” rather than its intended use, to aid preexisting work.

A lot of children who are growing up with it and are still in grade school and college students for writing their stuff to get in would love to agree with you on that point.

I have used AI for both, and I must admit that the last one is a bit of a skill issue in my end... or is it? I have a history when it comes to my English comprehension and it's due to my original school system that fucked my knowledge up and over and that along with my distaste to read anything that wasn't interesting caused for my reading and writing skills to be screwed. Some of it still applies to it to this day, and because I don't usually have someone other than my mother to help me, I use Ai to help me fix repeated stuff I say throughout anything I write, and I've been able to actually fix my skills. It didn't help me throughout high school as my mother and the special things that I went through middle and high school were taking it's place, but at least I have awesome people like you guys to willingly give tips...

only for me to continuously forget, and be a bit weary.

 

[MasterEn]

I hope it makes game development easier, everything to have alternative from the usual publishers; and it looks like it will because already it can generate something that is at least playable

I'm also very happy about it when it comes to translations, I wanted to show king of the hill to my friends as there is no current way to watch it subtitled in italian and opensubtitles' AI is already so good you can perfectly follow an episode and only like 20% of lines are mistraslated\need touch ups
Before that I used to take at least 40 mins-an hour to translate an episode, it was a godsend

before that if you didnt know and wanted to watched something non mainstream subbed in ita you were almost sol, sure a handful of things were done by fansub groups but not nearly enough

this is what i hope for ai to be used for. saving time on mundane stuff for game development and more time to make a good game, and to help bring more tv shows to more people. i play video games so subtiltes are natural to me. i sometimes watch shows with the subtitles to see if there are differences between the original version and the english dub.

 

[Tonberry]

i do like the small sense of pride when i finish a sketch or digital drawing

Always be proud of what you create, anyone who tells you not to is a loser!

 

[Yousef]

Always be proud of what you create, anyone who tells you not to is a loser!

Beautiful words.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Also the subtitled stuff FINALLY gave a nice fat middle finger to companies putting subtitles behind a paywall, localizers changing the script to fit their personal bias, copyright striking the only way to watch it with italian subs, links to fansubs expiring, companies not bothering to translate stuff for this country

Now EVERYONE is on a more even playing field and has tools to make it at least comprehensible

 

[MasterEn]

Always be proud of what you create, anyone who tells you not to is a loser!

so far, that's only happen once. and the guy said he wasn't an artist, so he said that he wasn't very good on judging the quality of art. it hurt for a moment, then i remembered that i was a little lazy in my drawing for that panel in the comic, so i thought, "eh, that's fair. i was mixing pencil and ink together, so i didn't expect it to be spectacular."
i'm pretty proud of what i draw, especially since people have asked me to draw stuff for them. i get a fair amount of views on my art.

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Also the subtitled stuff FINALLY gave a nice fat middle finger to companies putting subtitles behind a paywall, localizers changing the script to fit their personal bias, copyright striking the only way to watch it with italian subs, links to fansubs expiring, companies not bothering to translate stuff for this country

Now EVERYONE is on a more even playing field and has tools to make it at least comprehensible

i want a hell yes reaction for this post. i'll look for an image to post here later to represent that.

 

[Waffles]

Huh. For some reason, I did not get notifs for this fourm post despite having it on Watch.


You use AI to talk about your biggest fears and darkest memories? Considering the state of Ai, I wouldn't handle the discussion of that to something that is always actively being trained and put into a system where it can potentially get used against you for. I believe that talking to someone about this might seem extremely uncomfortable but it's much better than giving it to a non existent entity that is a robot. This is just my opinion though; If you ever feel that it's the best appropriate scenario to do, thewn that's completely fine!

A lot of children who are growing up with it and are still in grade school and college students for writing their stuff to get in would love to agree with you on that point.

I have used AI for both, and I must admit that the last one is a bit of a skill issue in my end... or is it? I have a history when it comes to my English comprehension and it's due to my original school system that fucked my knowledge up and over and that along with my distaste to read anything that wasn't interesting caused for my reading and writing skills to be screwed. Some of it still applies to it to this day, and because I don't usually have someone other than my mother to help me, I use Ai to help me fix repeated stuff I say throughout anything I write, and I've been able to actually fix my skills. It didn't help me throughout high school as my mother and the special things that I went through middle and high school were taking it's place, but at least I have awesome people like you guys to willingly give tips...

only for me to continuously forget, and be a bit weary.

There's definitely merit to what you are saying, but the kinds of things that plague the back of my mind are so traumatizing as to render me completely immobile. When they hit, I can only see the world in ashen tones, and I don't think I can bring myself to open up about them to another person. I'm not ready to field questions, to face pitying looks.

 

[Yousef]

Huh. For some reason, I did not get notifs for this fourm post despite having it on Watch.


You use AI to talk about your biggest fears and darkest memories? Considering the state of Ai, I wouldn't handle the discussion of that to something that is always actively being trained and put into a system where it can potentially get used against you for. I believe that talking to someone about this might seem extremely uncomfortable but it's much better than giving it to a non existent entity that is a robot. This is just my opinion though; If you ever feel that it's the best appropriate scenario to do, thewn that's completely fine!

A lot of children who are growing up with it and are still in grade school and college students for writing their stuff to get in would love to agree with you on that point.

I have used AI for both, and I must admit that the last one is a bit of a skill issue in my end... or is it? I have a history when it comes to my English comprehension and it's due to my original school system that fucked my knowledge up and over and that along with my distaste to read anything that wasn't interesting caused for my reading and writing skills to be screwed. Some of it still applies to it to this day, and because I don't usually have someone other than my mother to help me, I use Ai to help me fix repeated stuff I say throughout anything I write, and I've been able to actually fix my skills. It didn't help me throughout high school as my mother and the special things that I went through middle and high school were taking it's place, but at least I have awesome people like you guys to willingly give tips...

only for me to continuously forget, and be a bit weary.

Even casually, there’s healthier, more productive ways to use an AI. If you’re a creative writer and you feel unconfident in your writing, I think there’s nothing wrong with AI rephrasing tools to give you some idea of where to proceed or to get synonyms for words.

I, for one, struggle with spelling some words. My most despised word of all time is “silhouette”, I’ve been speaking English for almost 14 years, and yet I could never drill the spelling of that word onto my head. I forget it every time. It is too weird of a word. Too off sounding. So what do I do? I speak into a mic, and the voice to text types the word for me! I do this with other words that annoy me similarly. As someone who is both dyslexic, and speaks Arabic as their native tongue, a language that has no Latin letters or the same phonetic structure as English, this tool I just used is bliss. Helped me with a lot of my articles for words I forget the spelling of.

 

[DragonMals]

There's definitely merit to what you are saying, but the kinds of things that plague the back of my mind are so traumatizing as to render me completely immobile. When they hit, I can only see the world in ashen tones, and I don't think I can bring myself to open up about them to another person. I'm not ready to field questions, to face pitying looks.

Completely understandable. But it also makes me feel a bit as for you having to endure these traumatic experiences.

 

[Yousef]

There's definitely merit to what you are saying, but the kinds of things that plague the back of my mind are so traumatizing as to render me completely immobile. When they hit, I can only see the world in ashen tones, and I don't think I can bring myself to open up about them to another person. I'm not ready to field questions, to face pitying looks.

From the bottom of my heart, I hope you are ok, best bud.

 

[DragonMals]

Even casually, there’s healthier, more productive ways to use an AI. If you’re a creative writer and you feel unconfident in your writing, I think there’s nothing wrong with AI rephrasing tools to give you some idea of where to proceed or to get synonyms for words.

I, for one, struggle with spelling some words. My most despised word of all time is “silhouette”, I’ve been speaking English for almost 14 years, and yet I could never drill the spelling of that word onto my head. I forget it every time. It is too weird of a word. Too off sounding. So what do I do? I speak into a mic, and the voice to text types the word for me! I do this with other words that annoy me similarly. As someone who is both dyslexic, and speaks Arabic as their native tongue, a language that has no Latin letters or the same phonetic structure as English, this tool I just used is bliss. Helped me with a lot of my articles for words I forget the spelling of.

Okay, so I've met people who speak Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, Japanese, Tiwaneese, and now Arabic. I have found so many kinds of people and my only language that I speak is English. I never thought to look back at this until now.

 

[MasterEn]

Even casually, there’s healthier, more productive ways to use an AI. If you’re a creative writer and you feel unconfident in your writing, I think there’s nothing wrong with AI rephrasing tools to give you some idea of where to proceed or to get synonyms for words.

I, for one, struggle with spelling some words. My most despised word of all time is “silhouette”, I’ve been speaking English for almost 14 years, and yet I could never drill the spelling of that word onto my head. I forget it every time. It is too weird of a word. Too off sounding. So what do I do? I speak into a mic, and the voice to text types the word for me! I do this with other words that annoy me similarly. As someone who is both dyslexic, and speaks Arabic as their native tongue, a language that has no Latin letters or the same phonetic structure as English, this tool I just used is bliss. Helped me with a lot of my articles for words I forget the spelling of.

dougdoug uses ai for some of his videos, it tells the craziest stories:

 

[Yousef]

Okay, so I've met people who speak Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, Japanese, Tiwaneese, and now Arabic. I have found so many kinds of people and my only language that I speak is English. I never thought to look back at this until now.

Our world is vast. Truly something to marble at.