This isn't a console war, it's a console mercy killing....

[Kovlak]

"here son, a PS1, it has more value than a Switch 2!"
"b-but Dad I want to play Roblox with my friends"
"nonesense, child"

Sometimes being a responsible parent means superseeding and choosing for your kid. And kids shouldn't be on Roblox anyway.

Also you can probably get a cheap android phone/tablet for a child to play with their friends. I don't think parents right now are swimming in cash to buy them the latest premium piece of tech.

 

[bjork]

And I find it very unusual your appeal to emotion. I bet you don't feel that sympathetic about the Highguard devs...

You can also can come out as a Nintendo shill, if you like.

You sure know a lot about me for having interacted with me this one time.

I actually said in the Highguard thread that I do feel bad for the devs. I have friends who do game dev, so I know that even if they're put to work on a project that they know is subpar, the work put into making it happen is still hard and requires a ton of hours devoted to it. So that's why you don't see me going "durrrr lazy devs halfassed games" because it's rude as shit and in my experience, people who do it are generally either bad people or people with a bloated sense of privilege, or both.

I haven't supported Nintendo in some time, I currently don't own any of their hardware or games, don't buy their merch or any of that, because I'm capable of unplugging from something I've either outgrown or don't care for any longer. Perhaps you should try it, since nothing you've said in this thread hasn't been said before and better by others.

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This sounds nice. Hope we can go back to that mentality someday.

You are right, but with a guy called Doug Bowser as the president, it does makes you wonder.

I hope so too.

Even if the dude's name is Bowser, at least he didn't actively talk shit on his customers like Yamauchi used to. I mean, it was kinda funny, but come on, old man.

 

[Kovlak]

I have friends who do game dev, so I know that even if they're put to work on a project that they know is subpar, the work put into making it happen is still hard and requires a ton of hours devoted to it. So that's why you don't see me going "durrrr lazy devs halfassed games" because it's rude as shit and in my experience, people who do it are generally either bad people or people with a bloated sense of privilege, or both.

While i do understand the sentiment, in the end of the day, be it in gaming, in web development, or in shoemaking, i'm interested in the final product. People generally have enough drama in their lives and being bombarded at them, to really want to get deep into the other person's shoes.

I'm mostly interested, in gaming, in the games. And I'll call them halfassed if I see them as such. And I see it as a disservice to everyone in tiptoeing around the truth.

Also I never said the devs were lazy. I blame upper management more than anything.

Also you didn't like me calling you a shill, but you didn't spare me some innuendos here and there.

For example if what I said has been said before and better, there shouldn't be any reason to repeat it, but apparently there was. Ahah

I'm capable of unplugging from something I've either outgrown or don't care for any longer.

I don't understand what's your business in saying this. I'm interested in gaming in general and this is a forum where you should voice your opinions on topic. And I have an opinion on Nintendo, and so do you apparently, even if you're totally disconnected from Nintendo.

And you're wrong. I do care about Nintendo. I have a Switch. I care about Nintendo's trajectory.

 

[bjork]

While i do understand the sentiment, in the end of the day, be it in gaming, in web development, or in shoemaking, i'm interested in the final product. People generally have enough drama in their lives and being bombarded at them, to really want to get deep into the other person's shoes.

I'm mostly interested, in gaming, in the games. And I'll call them halfassed if I see them as such.

Also I never said the devs were lazy. I blame upper management more than anything.

Also you didn't like me calling you a shill, but you didn't spare me some innuendos here and there.

For example if what I said has been said before and better, there shouldn't be any reason to repeat it, but apparently there was. Ahah

I don't care that you called me anything, just disappointed that the same worn out talking points pop up year after year. But in our exchange here, I can tell we wouldn't be friends in real life, and that's cool. We don't have to be friends here, either. Good luck out there if you approach all of your life like this.

 

[saturnsh2x2]

Here is a video that makes the case why a 3DS is better value than a Switch 2:

Some of his points:

- it's pockeatable;
- the games are significantly cheaper;
- on original firmware it plays all or almost all 3DS games and all DS games;
- with homebrew you can play also a lot of other older games for free;
- battery life is better.

You're speaking to someone who has developed for and contributed to the 3DS's homebrew scene. I'm well aware of how useful a hacked 3DS is, especially with modern projects like Artic Base and Netpass are.

That said, a random parent not particularly tuned into modern gaming discourse is gonna have no idea this is even an option. This was the point @dkpopman was trying to make. Even if they were aware, less savvy parents might not want to roll the dice on softmodding their system, especially a system without a warranty. It seems silly to enthusiasts who are used to dealing with stuff like this, but this is going to be the thought process of most parents.

On top of that, a modern kid probably isn't going to be too enthused about a device that isn't going to be able to play more modern games like Fortnite and Minecraft. Sure, the latter is technically on the 3DS, but it's far from an ideal way to play the game.

This all said, I have personally gotten more out of my N3DS than my Switch Lite, but some awareness of people's differing situations would be appreciated, especially someone in the more modern casual crowd. I do agree Roblox is predatory, but when it comes to other games like Fortnite or Minecraft, your argument is coming across as the standard, rather sanctimonious "thing I grew up with good, thing the youth is growing up with bad."

Also, I've watched some of NintenDeen's videos before. I've given him some benefit of the doubt before, but I would really be cautious about taking his word as gospel, considering that making videos on "the modern state of Nintendo" nonstop is getting him a ton of traction, and that you seem to have linked to him twice in this thread.

 

[Kovlak]

I don't care that you called me anything, just disappointed that the same worn out talking points pop up year after year. But in our exchange here, I can tell we wouldn't be friends in real life, and that's cool. We don't have to be friends here, either. Good luck out there if you approach all of your life like this.

Thank you. Now you can go sulk in your corner.

 

[bjork]

Thank you. Now you can go sulk in your corner.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Kovlak]

Even if they were aware, less savvy parents might not want to roll the dice on softmodding their system, especially a system without a warranty.

Later this year I bought a PS4 Pro at a store with warranty, because I was worried on the console crapping out fast after buying it to some random guy. If I'd get a 3DS I'd get it also at some store with warranty, and probably paying a bit extra would get it modded.

but this is going to be the thought process of most parents.

The 3DS vs Switch 2 debate came up. Personally, if I was getting a system for my kid, I'd get a cheap tablet, which is what I see most parents doing. Not a 3DS or a Switch 2.

On top of that, a modern kid probably isn't going to be too enthused about a device that isn't going to be able to play more modern games like Fortnite and Minecraft. Sure, the latter is technically on the 3DS, but it's far from an ideal way to play the game.

Most children are probably on tablets and smartphones right now.

I do agree Roblox is predatory, but when it comes to other games like Fortnite or Minecraft, your argument is coming across as the standard, rather sanctimonious "thing I grew up with good, thing the youth is growing up with bad."

You misunderstand me. I didn't diss Roblox because it's predatory and the new thing for kids, but because it's a buffet for pedos, and also because it's monetizing child labor and is heavy on microtransactions. It's a dangerous platform for kids.
And you can see this video about it:

Also, I've watched some of NintenDeen's videos before. I've given him some benefit of the doubt before, but I would really be cautious about taking his word as gospel, considering that making videos on "the modern state of Nintendo" nonstop is getting him a ton of traction, and that you seem to have linked to him twice in this thread.

The first time I linked him was intentional, but the second time I was looking for a video on the 3DS vs Switch 2 theme and his video was up top and it explained the issue well. I only have a passing interest in the state of Nintendo, but, like everyone, I like seeing videos that reflect my point of view. And it's a easy way to dispell gaslighting.

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On a sidenote, I don't think the Switch 2 is a good system for children. It's expensive and Nintendo can brick it for a number of reasons.

I think the PS5 digital is a better console for kids than a Switch 2, including because it's cheaper.

 

[BrawlMan]

Also, I've watched some of NintenDeen's videos before. I've given him some benefit of the doubt before, but I would really be cautious about taking his word as gospel, considering that making videos on "the modern state of Nintendo" nonstop is getting him a ton of traction, and that you seem to have linked to him twice in this thread.

Exactly why I am not touching his shit. He's basically a "nice" version of the constant "Nintendo is Doomed" content or "failing". Sure, he knows a bit more compared to the usual hate grifters, but it's clear there is still exaggeration, asinine speculation that absolutely nothing, and still talking out of his ass. He's a grifter with a smile. It's fine to not be interested in Nintendo or their games, but there doesn't need to be constant justification. Deen is just another click bait YouTuber people latch on to justify their hatred or apathy for a console or games on a specific console. It's pretty clear who his audience is. People were either never interested to begin with, or chips on their shoulders and think constant needing see something to be declared "dead or dying". Seeking validations for their bias views.

I hate Microsoft, but I don't seek constant YouTube content on people hating on MS and Xbox 24/7. It's redundant, and doesn't solve much of anything, because everyone already knows or more aware at this point. It doesn't put me in a good or bad mood, nor do I need constant validation on why I don't want their shit anymore. Though I stopped caring about them the moment they killed Tango Games and other developers for the sake of AI and making the numbers look good, because MS themselves have horrible management.

On top of that, a modern kid probably isn't going to be too enthused about a device that isn't going to be able to play more modern games like Fortnite and Minecraft. Sure, the latter is technically on the 3DS, but it's far from an ideal way to play the game.

Truth. There are still many kids who play Fortnite or Minecraft. That will never change much, and most kids are going to play on Modern platforms or their phones. I've still seen many kids gets buck cards or dlc cards at any retail place or game store that has them. Or it's usually the parents buying it for them.

 

[Ikagura]

Have you ever heard about quality over quantity? A few really good games is better than a collection of mostly half-assed games.

What's your point? Five games are a few.

- on original firmware it plays all or almost all 3DS games and all DS games;

The NS2 is also natively backward compatible...

You misunderstand me. I didn't diss Roblox because it's predatory and the new thing for kids, but because it's a buffet for pedos, and also because it's monetizing child labor and is heavy on microtransactions. It's a dangerous platform for kids.
And you can see this video about it:

You could tell that about any game with younger players on it as well.

Roblox just happened to be the one where we've finally dug out its dark side but it's sadly not the sole.