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Whatever happens with the Steam Machine, I just hope that SteamOS becomes officially available for desktop computers, outside the focus of the Steam ecosystem. Windows 11 is becoming more intrusive and a nuisance as the days go by.
 
Whatever happens with the Steam Machine, I just hope that SteamOS becomes officially available for desktop computers, outside the focus of the Steam ecosystem. Windows 11 is becoming more intrusive and a nuisance as the days go by.
As much as i have problems with the distro, bazzite is basically a unofficial steam os, for what it's worth/
 
What are your gripes with Bazzite?
I tend to have a problem with any software that has anything to do directly with political topics no matter which side of the political isle it's on or even if i agree with it's position (i have a perspective that open source software should stay out of politics in any form, as open source should be open to everyone, from freedom fighters to authoritarian tyrants, open source exists to be used by all imo, this doesn't mean specific devs can't have them, but it should NOT be in the software itself imo), bazzite has a trans teen as it's mascot, which is a political statement and thus i tend to avoid them, though it's getting harder and harder to be apolitical since so much of software these days have politics, one of the reasons i've considered bsd in the past is it completely avoids politics directly as far as i know.

From what i know of bazzite when i did use it, it is great as a entry point for gamers and is a good alternative to linux mint even if not a game, especially if you want a fedora based distro, i just personally avoid politics in software as much as possible, this is also why i avoid gnome even though gnome is imo, far more stable than kde plasma, though the gnome team is on a whole different level with their politics.
Currently i'm on garuda linux, which is another gaming distro though a bit more resource hungry and advanced as well as being based on arch, my preferred update schedule, but more importantly, it's completely neutral politically as far as i know.

A distro i dislike on the other side of the political spectrum is ubuntu, which from my understanding is politically on the other side of the isle to bazzite, though even if it wasn't i'd avoid ubuntu due tue privacy and control issues(snap package forcing).
 
As much as i have problems with the distro, bazzite is basically a unofficial steam os, for what it's worth/
I've been using Linux Mint Debian Edition, not so much for gaming outside of emulators. I just desire more games that are native to Linux and more Proton support, it's the only thing keeping me from switching to Linux as my primary OS.

Thankfully that could happen faster if Steam Machines are a success and are in most peoples homes, though I'm not interested in purchasing a Steam Machine myself.
 
I tend to have a problem with any software that has anything to do directly with political topics no matter which side of the political isle it's on or even if i agree with it's position (i have a perspective that open source software should stay out of politics in any form, as open source should be open to everyone, from freedom fighters to authoritarian tyrants, open source exists to be used by all imo, this doesn't mean specific devs can't have them, but it should NOT be in the software itself imo), bazzite has a trans teen as it's mascot, which is a political statement and thus i tend to avoid them, though it's getting harder and harder to be apolitical since so much of software these days have politics, one of the reasons i've considered bsd in the past is it completely avoids politics directly as far as i know.
I mean, isn't this a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Unless it creates problems that jepordize the future of the project, or attracts bad people, wouldn't it be better to just roll your eyes and tune it out?

From what i know of bazzite when i did use it, it is great as a entry point for gamers and is a good alternative to linux mint even if not a game, especially if you want a fedora based distro, i just personally avoid politics in software as much as possible, this is also why i avoid gnome even though gnome is imo, far more stable than kde plasma, though the gnome team is on a whole different level with their politics.
I don't want to seem like I am judging you at all, or that I disagree in all respects. Politics can wear you down mentally, and does tend to bring out the worst of people; but at the same time, it affects every aspect of life and is everpresent. This seems to be especially true in the OSS community, which constantly butts heads with governments, regulators, and corporations alike. Trying to 100% insulate a community or yourself from it seems impossible, or atleast to my knowledge.
Currently i'm on garuda linux, which is another gaming distro though a bit more resource hungry and advanced as well as being based on arch, my preferred update schedule, but more importantly, it's completely neutral politically as far as i know.

A distro i dislike on the other side of the political spectrum is ubuntu, which from my understanding is politically on the other side of the isle to bazzite, though even if it wasn't i'd avoid ubuntu due tue privacy and control issues(snap package forcing).
Other side of the isle how? Ubuntu seems to be corporate, not political at all. Unless my reply is breaking a rule about politics and you can't answer, I'm curious as to how Gnome/Ubuntu is political.
 
I don't see a price tag. Also, how are they going to keep the price reasonable with the recent RAM price spike?
 
Fair enough, I'll give you that, but a lot of mini PCs are fairly powerful nowadays and good enough to play most games as well. However, I see your point about it being preconfigured as a video game console first. You have to forgive me, I'm used to throwing my own OS on a PC for what I want it to do, and forget not everyone can or wants to do that
The irony of going after the average consumer with this is pointless. They don't care for steam and a console is cheaper. I am still not sure whom valve are aiming there machines at, I understand the steam deck grabbed the niche of PC exclusivists that want to play handheld, but it has no reach beyond that.

Like you said, you can get something that would do what the gabecube does, for cheaper than the gabecube, if only to say screw you to windows??, seems like an expensive endeavour to me. It's not that hard to set up any other OS on a machine and it's actually cheaper ::cirnoshrug
 
I mean, isn't this a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Unless it creates problems that jepordize the future of the project, or attracts bad people, wouldn't it be better to just roll your eyes and tune it out?


I don't want to seem like I am judging you at all, or that I disagree in all respects. Politics can wear you down mentally, and does tend to bring out the worst of people; but at the same time, it affects every aspect of life and is everpresent. This seems to be especially true in the OSS community, which constantly butts heads with governments, regulators, and corporations alike. Trying to 100% insulate a community or yourself from it seems impossible, or atleast to my knowledge.

Other side of the isle how? Ubuntu seems to be corporate, not political at all. Unless my reply is breaking a rule about politics and you can't answer, I'm curious as to how Gnome/Ubuntu is political.
Let me be clear, i'm not centrist, to protect rules i'm skirting around my reasons as i don't want to get this thread shut down, i'll direct message you what i actually think.
 
The irony of going after the average consumer with this is pointless. They don't care for steam and a console is cheaper.
Yeah, I don't get that either. I recently bought one of those AMD BC-250s for 100 USD, you know the cut down PS5 APU. I plan on making that into a Steam machine myself in a few months. It has good specs for what it is, you can Google it or watch Eta Prime's video about it. He's basically doing what I am going to do with it.
I am still not sure whom valve are aiming there machines at, I understand the steam deck grabbed the niche of PC exclusivists that want to play handheld, but it has no reach beyond that.
I think probably people who want to take their Steam Library to a friend's house or when they are traveling find this convenient, And don't already have a Steamdeck. It's small enough to just chuck into a backpack or bag and go. So, say you're going to a relative's house over a holiday for a week, it would make more sense if you don't already have a mini PC to lug along. Since it's tailor-made for SteamOS (yes, I know any PC can run SteamOS, but some people want new shiny toys) this is the quote-unquote perfect solution for them.
Like you said, you can get something that would do what the gabecube does, for cheaper than the gabecube, if only to say screw you to windows??, seems like an expensive endeavour to me. It's not that hard to set up any other OS on a machine and it's actually cheaper ::cirnoshrug
Some people have money to burn and will buy it because it's the new thing from X company. And some people might be buying this as their first real foray into PC gaming, not understanding that the Steam Deck is basically a handheld Linux PC, they can do this to Any PC with.
 
The irony of going after the average consumer with this is pointless. They don't care for steam and a console is cheaper. I am still not sure whom valve are aiming there machines at, I understand the steam deck grabbed the niche of PC exclusivists that want to play handheld, but it has no reach beyond that.

Like you said, you can get something that would do what the gabecube does, for cheaper than the gabecube, if only to say screw you to windows??, seems like an expensive endeavour to me. It's not that hard to set up any other OS on a machine and it's actually cheaper ::cirnoshrug
I entirely agree about that.

Steam enthusiasts already got a PC and console owners that are interested in a pre-made consolified PC wouldn't be interested enough.
 
With the current ram crisis, this thing will be dead on arrival if they don't price it low enough
 
Whatever happens with the Steam Machine, I just hope that SteamOS becomes officially available for desktop computers, outside the focus of the Steam ecosystem. Windows 11 is becoming more intrusive and a nuisance as the days go by.
That is my hope exactly, too.
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it affects every aspect of life and is everpresent.
Not true. Sure there is a sense of civic responsibility that each and every one of us holds; if you're a fellow American. However ever since P Diddy's Vote or Die Citizen Change propaganda campaign getting the uninformed and uneducated more and more interested in politics has achieved nothing but sensationalizing every aspect of the process and turning it into a Circus for the masses that is in it self the major distraction running today.
 
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I've been using Linux Mint Debian Edition, not so much for gaming outside of emulators. I just desire more games that are native to Linux and more Proton support, it's the only thing keeping me from switching to Linux as my primary OS.

Thankfully that could happen faster if Steam Machines are a success and are in most peoples homes, though I'm not interested in purchasing a Steam Machine myself.
I know its a old post but Proton-GE will carry you for 90% of games.
In my experience, native linux ports are worse than just using proton / wine so i just want the focus to be on compatibility layers lol.
Playing DosBox / Unreal engine 1 games independent of steam with a simple click and them just werking was what convinced me to switch a year ago and since then I've only encountered two games that needed fixing and they were modern titles.
I don't think people will switch from windows though, it will just continue to get more shit and most people won't care as long as they can still play games on it, even if steam gets 120% behind linux.
 
In a shocking state of affairs the steam machines (potential) price just got leaked.

To no one's surprise it's (maybe) $950 for the 500GB Model and $1070 for the 2TB model.
You could make an equivalent machine for less (you actually can't though ::linkmouthcover ).
 
In a shocking state of affairs the steam machines (potential) price just got leaked.

To no one's surprise it's (maybe) $950 for the 500GB Model and $1070 for the 2TB model.
You could make an equivalent machine for less (you actually can't though ::linkmouthcover ).
This is looking to be a placeholder price, though even if it wasn't it should be pointed out that it comes from a chech retailer that marks up the price, if the price on that site was true, the likely price would be around 800-850$ if bought on steam.

 
I doubt Valve would throw it at retailers to leak that price in the first place.

The consumer market prices will only go up. Valve needs to eat a lot of costs on this. They can't afford to delay it with those specs. The have a 1.5-2 year window to eat Xbox's lunch.
 
This is looking to be a placeholder price, though even if it wasn't it should be pointed out that it comes from a chech retailer that marks up the price, if the price on that site was true, the likely price would be around 800-850$ if bought on steam.

from what i read a separate retailer also had a similar price in its websites code.
i'm not saying with 100% certainty that is the price but it is going to be more than what people were expecting easily.
 
In a shocking state of affairs the steam machines (potential) price just got leaked.

To no one's surprise it's (maybe) $950 for the 500GB Model and $1070 for the 2TB model.
You could make an equivalent machine for less (you actually can't though ::linkmouthcover ).
Hope those leaks are fake because for the same price I'd probably build my own...

Although being able to "extend" the disc space and RAM should be a possibility.
 
Hope those leaks are fake because for the same price I'd probably build my own...

Although being able to "extend" the disc space and RAM should be a possibility.
out of interest i made a close as possible copy of the steam machine's 2TB specked model and it came out to $1350 in my country, pray for euro's.
 
from what i read a separate retailer also had a similar price in its websites code.
i'm not saying with 100% certainty that is the price but it is going to be more than what people were expecting easily.
You seem to be missing something, steam was likely NEVER going to supply steam machines to retailers, this means the retailers were putting a placeholder cost on the basis of their expected cost plus a retailer markup, basically the 2 retailers would be buying them and selling them second-hand, which is why this is almost definitely NOT official.
 

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