ps3 vs x360 Megathread

[PhaseJump]

As a console gamer I don't like saying this, but there has never been any console that was a "cutting edge PC hardware powerhouse". I'm sure the moment the original Xbox debuted it was probably already outdated by PC standards. And it didn't matter anyway, everyone was still buying PS2 games. The Gamecube was also more powerful than the PS2 and yet still couldn't compete with it. Actually, the fact that many Xbox games were on PC actually became a point of criticism. Why not just HAVE a PC?

And no it did not carry Sega's flag. The Dreamcast had lots of arcade games, fighting games, JRPGs, and Japanese flavored games. The whole Xbox brand went HARD towards shooters, Western oriented games, and stuff that you could play on PC while Dreamcast actually had cool exclusives. The Dreamcast brought online to gaming but didn't make their console a SLAVE to it. So many original and creative games we got that Sega developed and published that we didn't get from Microsoft. They bought Rare and we got...what? The only good game I remember was Viva Pinata. How many creative, imaginative titles actually came from Microsoft? Just Halo games and shooters. The 360 lived and died on thirty party support. The entire vibe of the Dreamcast was ENTIRELY different than the Xbox and the Xbox 360. What about quirky fun stuff like VMU games? What happened to that? Nothing like that on Xbox consoles.

As far as Arcade goes, it was cool, but that sort of thing would have come to be one way or another whether it was Xbox doing it or Nintendo or Sony. All things entertainment eventually moved in a direction of being available digitally. If nothing else it would have been Valve pushing out those indie games on Steam and everyone else following suit.

OG Xbox pushed Dead or Alive 3 and 360, 4. They had Panzer Dragoon Orta, Sega GT, Jet Set Radio Future. They backed Japanese shit like Blinx, and True Fantasy Live Online. It had Ninja Gaiden Black. They later paid Mistwalker to make 2 Final Fantasy followups.

You are console warring about shit that happened 20 years ago, whining like a baby because the status quo of the industry is now heavily focused on centralized digital platforms with online connectivity.

Xbox Live brought the model we all take for granted to market, and the kicker is, you're forgetting that it wasn't even like that on PC at the time. Steam took lessons from Xbox Live.

 

[Dr.Kisaragi]

I think we better to close the thread because things got messy here nothing but fighting back and forth of being best console.

 

[Tonberry]

Then why don't you actually address any of the points I (edit: or Turbo Kid) bring up?

But so far all your points have been:

I don't know if you kids realize (or old-heads: remember), that the original Xbox was slowly dying before Master Chief came and singlehandedly saved Xbox from the ash-heap of history...

A completely made up fabrication?

The 360, on the other hand, was basically just a suped-up PC, and thus had SUPER familiar programming languages right out of the gate. That, AND the fact that Microsoft was pumping TONS of money into pulling developer away from their competition..

An admission that it was easier to develop for?

The keyword that was being thrown around at the time was INNOVATION .

Sony, went the direction of hyper-advanced architecture..

Nintendo, revolutionized the idea of the controller with the Nunchaku..

Microsoft.... just made a stronger Xbox...

Claiming that gimmicks are more important than anything else? Even though you already admitted that this made the PS3 more cumbersome to develop games for?

No, the poison that destroyed the innovation in the industry. Pigeon-holing everything into CoD/Halo clones..

An opinion, and an overgeneralization?

Yes, because the general quality of the gaming industry as a whole plummeted in a dramatic way.

An opinion and conjecture?


I mean, you were the one who came into this thread lamenting the fact that the Xbox didn't flop and added a made-up story, both which were totally unrelated to the actual topic at hand, and instead just rant about ancient and buried console war stuff?

 

[PhaseJump]

But so far all your points have been:


A completely made up fabrication?


An admission that it was easier to develop for?


Claiming that gimmicks are more important than anything else? Even though you already admitted that this made the PS3 more cumbersome to develop games for?


An opinion, and an overgeneralization?


An opinion and conjecture?


I mean, you were the one who came into this thread lamenting the fact that the Xbox didn't flop and added a made-up story, both which were totally unrelated to the actual topic at hand, and instead just rant about ancient and buried console war stuff?

No matter how you slice it, Xbox was a big deal and an influential leader in the industry.

But really, who gives a shit?

Console wars are stupid, just like Metroid's lifetime sales numbers compared to the Halo games.

Sega is dead, Xbox will be dead sooner or later, Playstation will probably follow them into obscurity, Nintendo will probably outlive the devil himself and steal his throne for their legal department.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

1 )Other than forgetting that Halo was a release title hardly makes what I said a "fabrication"

2) Developers complained that the PS2 was difficult to make games for, but there was the INCENTIVE to learn how. Not-so with the PS3 vs 360. So you're not making the point you think you are..

3) Gimmick? A bit of a strawman... Because innovation was the word that was being thrown around, and Microsoft just sidestepped that by just importing their PC base into the mix. Again, eliminating the incentive to innovate.

4) Disprove my "overgeneralization." iirc, DIVERSITY is the hallmark of a healthy ecosystem, not homogeneity..

5) The OP was about 20 year old consoles IN THE FIRST PLACE, so......

 

[Tonberry]

I think we better to close the thread because things got messy here nothing but fighting back and forth of being best console.

I mean not really? It got off-topic which confused some and led to arguments mostly unrelated to the actual topic but I don't see why that'd warrant closing an entire thread.

I'm not even a fanboy or anything, I've spent astronomically more time on Playstation than on Xbox in general, but I think that the 360 was the victor that gen by a landslide.

Now to get back on track...
I feel like the Xbox 360 was a way better party machine than the PS3 too. The 360 had avatars you could make of you and your friends and lots of super cheap Arcade games made specifically for fun local multiplayer shenanigans. PS3 had, what, Buzz? Jackbox?
Even when they both pivoted into motion gimmicks it feels like the Kinect, for all the shit it did, STILL had more staying power than the Move or whatever it was called. I played Kinect games at several of my friends' house, and I don't think I've seen one of those Move dildos my entire life.

1 )Other than forgetting that Halo was a release title hardly makes what I said a "fabrication"

2) Developers complained that the PS2 was difficult to make games for, but there was the INCENTIVE to learn how. Not-so with the PS3 vs 360. So you're not making the point you think you are..

3) Gimmick? A bit of a strawman... Because innovation was the word that was being thrown around, and Microsoft just sidestepped that by just importing their PC base into the mix. Again, eliminating the incentive to innovate.

4) Disprove my "overgeneralization." iirc, DIVERSITY is the hallmark of a healthy ecosystem, not homogeneity..

5) The OP was about 20 year old consoles IN THE FIRST PLACE, so......

Respectfully, I don't care. None of your posts were conducive to the topic at hand and just derailed things, and I'm not gonna take it further.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Console wars are stupid, just like Metroid's lifetime sales numbers compared to the Halo games.

Metroid, like Halo, was FAR more successful here in the west than otherwise, and Nintendo lives in their own world without really caring what the west thinks..

Respectfully, I don't care. None of your posts were conducive to the topic at hand and just derailed things, and I'm not gonna take it further.

The 360 obviously won the last generation of the "console wars." I've simply been arguing the deeply-rooted reason **why** that sits at the foundation of their victory. Much like how Nintendo's strong, decades-old foundations have allowed them to survive for so long..

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I would also argue that a variety games like Assassin's Creed heavily played into the 360's success.

ie: Games that were originally made for the 360, and then poorly ported to the PS3 made Sony a bit of a laughing stock at the time..

 

[Tonberry]

I've simply been arguing the deeply-rooted reason **why** that sits at the foundation of their victory.

I really don't mean this in a snarky way, but that really didn't come across at all. It looked like you jumped into the thread just to talk shit about Xbox without caring about the topic.

The 360 obviously won the last couple generations of the "console wars."

Also just curious but this reads like you've misunderstood the OP and you're going by "Xbox VS Playstation" and not "Xbox 360 vs PS3" specifically.

But to answer your question, it's really simple:
Microsoft managed to generate enough of a following with the original Xbox by offering a relatively varied lineup of games mainly targeted at a western market, and they also managed to brag alot about how powerful it was, and it also genuinely helped at the time that it was seen as an American product made for Americans, sort of how cars were viewed back in the day. No weird "japanese shit", they got "cool edgy stuff for grownups" instead, with guns and tits and extreme sports and Star Wars and whatever.
Then it reached critical mass and they launched the Xbox 360 with a large focus on Online services, and since they were early with the whole digital storefront thing, it became really easy for them to sort of bind people to their ecosystem even though it was relatively young.
Such a following is easy to snag along for another generation or so, but after two complete generations of arguably worse and worse care for the established consumer base, it's not difficult to see why people are so mad at current Xbox.
I still enjoy my Series S (which I bought specifically because the PS5 felt like the PS3 to me, overpriced and with not enough affordable games to warrant a must-buy) but I'm not as optimistic as I was only 6 months ago.

 

[RETRO-VETRO RETRO-VETRO]

let's not talk crazy now

Eh, it's debatable...

 

[PhaseJump]

Console wars are lame, and completely futile.
Console warriors trying to rewrite history is something else entirely. Hilarious nonsense.

None of it matters, and none of it can withstand what's coming.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

I really don't mean this in a snarky way, but that really didn't come across at all. It looked like you jumped into the thread just to talk shit about Xbox without caring about the topic.

That's fair. I will talk shit about Halo/CoD/et al. Combine that with PJ's shit-talking about me in response, and you get a bit of a flamewar..
Not my original intent. But I think you(Tonberry) are a more level headed individual..

I also misspoke (mistyped?) about the plurality of the situation, and edited it after you quoted me, but before you posted your response..

Just about everything you said makes sense. The heavily American angle was certainly a thing too. I forgot about that part. It was actually downright impressive that it held-up with virtually zero japanese sales.

The hill(s) that I will die on is that:
a) Halo was a major part of that success..
&
b) The resulting homogeneity of the market has, overall, been a net-negative for the preexisting gamers. Which, naturally, are vastly outnumbered by the legion of casual/normies.. Hence why I don't immediately equate: More = better

 

[bjork]

Eh, it's debatable...

I was being facetious dudes

 

[Turbo Kid]

I sense some bias in the direction this discussion has gone given the provocative tone of some of PhaseJump's posts. Let's all just pile on Metroid_Hybrid right?

 

[RETRO-VETRO RETRO-VETRO]

I was being facetious dudes

Well I didn't know

 

[PhaseJump]

I sense some bias in the direction this discussion has gone given the provocative tone of some of PhaseJump's posts. Let's all just pile on Metroid_Hybrid right?

Why? You feel left out?

 

[Turbo Kid]

Why? You feel left out?

Thanks for proving my point

 

[X y b e r - S k u ll]

Alright, this argument is getting a bit dumb now, let’s move on or get back on topic.

 

[Tonberry]

Alright, this argument is getting a bit dumb now, let’s move on or get back on topic.

Which controller did you prefer?
I enjoy the classic dualshock form factor, but I never liked how it weighed nothing and how the triggers felt, at least not compared to LT and RT.
The dpad was way better on the PS3 controller though, and being chargeable is always nice.

 

[PhaseJump]

Thanks for proving my point

You are claiming tools didn't matter, calling developers lazy, and implying they were too stupid to figure out PS3, while in the real world, the 360 had better performing games to show for it.

If that isn't pants-on-head nonsense of a greater power level than whatever that other guy with the hate boner for Halo has going on, I don't know what is. Apparently that guy thinks Microsoft had some "Super familiar programming languages" helping them or something. I guess those pesky languages made all the difference.

Of course, I jest. Warrior pony. Still feeling left out?

 

[X y b e r - S k u ll]

Which controller did you prefer?
I enjoy the classic dualshock form factor, but I never liked how it weighed nothing and how the triggers felt, at least not compared to LT and RT.
The dpad was way better on the PS3 controller though, and being chargeable is always nice.

As much as I’ve always been a DualShock enjoyer, I have to say I preferred the 360’s controller. Yeah, the D-pad did suck (Although they did later release controllers with adjustable D-pads that worked a lot better) and unless you had one of those rechargeable battery packs, you did have to swap batteries fairly regularly, but it just felt really good to use, had a nice weight to it (I agree DualShock 3 being feather light always felt weird to me) and pretty much became the standard of how most controllers are laid out and designed (You can’t tell me Nintendo weren’t taking lessons when they started making their pro-controllers lol). I will say Sony did come back strong with that PS4 controller though, most near perfect controller IMO.

 

[iamthemilkman]

360 was the PS2 of that generation. While the PS3 eventually caught up and surpassed it, that wasn't until the end of the generation when Sony got its shit together and Microsoft started pushing Kinect. 360 getting Call of Duty DLC and GTA expansions well before PS3 was a huge deal. While I'm not a fan of moneyhatting timed DLC content, it worked.

 

[Tonberry]

As much as I’ve always been a DualShock enjoyer, I have to say I preferred the 360’s controller. Yeah, the D-pad did suck (Although they did later release controllers with adjustable D-pads that worked a lot better) and unless you had one of those rechargeable battery packs, you did have to swap batteries fairly regularly, but it just felt really good to use, had a nice weight to it (I agree DualShock 3 being feather light always felt weird to me) and pretty much became the standard of how most controllers are laid out and designed (You can’t tell me Nintendo weren’t taking lessons when they started making their pro-controllers lol). I will say Sony did come back strong with that PS4 controller though, most near perfect controller IMO.

I remember reading somewhere not too long ago that Mark Cerny more or less admitted that the stick placement of the Xbox/Pro Controllers are superior for various reasons, but that they can't change it now because the PS layout is way too recognizable for Playstation.

I've never really had a problem with any of the layouts, but the PS layout makes for easier d-pad usage, which is better for fighting games and stuff like sidescrollers, etc.

Agreed on DS4, definitely my favorite PS controller, though I think the Xbone controller is probably my favorite of all time. Series controller would win but I don't like how loud and snappy the dpad is.

 

[PhaseJump]

I love how everybody totally forgets the Sixaxis existed, and there was no Dualshock 3 in the beginning.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

The 360 controller was perfect for what it was designed for FPSs, but for everything else, Dual Shock all the way..
Although I've never thought about the weight-issue, you're right..

I think the Dual Shock 2 was absolute perfection.. (yes, I said: two)

 

[Tonberry]

I love how everybody totally forgets the Sixaxis existed, and there was no Dualshock 3 in the beginning.

I was unsure of which term to go with, but the form factor was the same aside from sixaxis having gyro and ds3 being slightly heavier, right?