Cabinets Joystick Throwdown; Balltop vs Battop

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Anyone who's interested in arcade machines knows the two original different joystick types; battops and balltops which are, as the name would imply, shaped either like a ball or a sports bat. Each has their own advantages and disadvantages, some people probably only grew up with one type or the other, depending on availability and region, so I'm curious to hear everyone's opinion; which do you think is/was better and why?
 
Ball top. I know people say the bat top is more comfy, but i always grip under the ball and rotate for combos. It's what i'm used to. My PS4 fight stick has a ball top and so does my Saturn stick.
Ball top is way more softer on the palm, I think people defend the bat top because it has the least amount of bone and joint twisting and rotating, so it seems more comfortable.
 
It might come down to personal preference, but I think the ball top is better—at least that's what I see most often in fighting game tournaments.

 
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It might come down to personal preference, but I think the ball top is better—at least that's what I see most often in fighting game tournaments.

I just wish the actual stick part was longer, my fat hands can't get around that.
 
I just wish the actual stick part was longer, my fat hands can't get around that.
I'm pretty sure you can unscrew that ball yeah? You need to find someone with a lathe machine in your area they can make an extension with a piece of iron in minutes. The hardest part is finding a shop with that machine.
 
I'm pretty sure you can unscrew that ball yeah? You need to find someone with a lathe machine in your area they can make an extension with a piece of iron in minutes. The hardest part is finding a shop with that machine.
I just mean in general. Personally, I'm content with the ball top, I'll just never play competitively. I would, but even finding arcade machine manufacturers where I live is almost an impossibility, so yeah, I guess I could always do it myself, but I don't mix well with soldering irons.
 
I have customized a couple of 1Up Arcade's and tabletop fight sticks and bat tops are a must for fighters. They're easier to smack around. Ball tops are great for more precision based games that need finer movement like Pac-Man. My Picade has a balltop with Sanwa buttons. Love it.
 
I have customized a couple of 1Up Arcade's and tabletop fight sticks and bat tops are a must for fighters. They're easier to smack around. Ball tops are great for more precision based games that need finer movement like Pac-Man. My Picade has a balltop with Sanwa buttons. Love it.
Yet I noticed, when I was younger, that a lot of arcade fighting cabinets in my local area still used the balltop sticks. As someone who is more experienced in machine maintenance, is there a deliberate reason you think they would have done it, or was it straight up laziness?
 
Yet I noticed, when I was younger, that a lot of arcade fighting cabinets in my local area still used the balltop sticks. As someone who is more experienced in machine maintenance, is there a deliberate reason you think they would have done it, or was it straight up laziness?
A lot of arcades had conversion kits, which was a cheap way to get "new arcades." Usually this was a kit that came with a new decal and a new PCB board, and that was it.

I find it very hard to use ball tops on fighting games because of how frantic you are throwing that joystick around for quarter circle back, forward quarter circle, then quarter circle back, then immediately slam the joystick back to block, etc. That bat top allows for the full width of your hand to catch it. The ball top allows for a claw grip for finer movements.

However, the top isn't the full picture. The joystick gate is half the experience. You need an 8-way gate for fighting games, but you have to have a four-way gate for games like Pac-Man and platformers. A lot of the early 1Up arcade cabinets (like the 1st gen MK2 one) came with a four-way gate, and I changed mine out to an 8-way. The spring tension is also part of some of that experience. I prefer fighting games to have higher joystick spring poundage, say 3-4lb, rather than the 1lb or less that a lot come with.

American fighting cabinets also had Suzo Happ buttons rather than Sanwa which were seen in Japanese arcades. My MK2 Deluxe cabinet has Suzo Happs that I swapped out so it feels just like the arcades.
 
Depends if I'm sitting or standing.
If I'm sitting with a arcade stick in my lap I tend to like the BatTop because at that angle I usually hold the stick lower and rest my hand on the controller with my pinky and ring finger.

If I'm on a cabinet, Ball Top. Need something in my palm. It's more tactile.
 
Depends if I'm sitting or standing.
If I'm sitting with a arcade stick in my lap I tend to like the BatTop because at that angle I usually hold the stick lower and rest my hand on the controller with my pinky and ring finger.

If I'm on a cabinet, Ball Top. Need something in my palm. It's more tactile.
That's interesting to note since I personally go for the opposite, with balltop sitting down and battop standing, so I wonder if there's a key difference that means the two experiences are completely different.
 
Ball top from Japanese style. I have tried few battops that are also standard for korean levers. There it also makes sense since you usually need more force that battop's longer length gives.
In general with japanese style parts of Sanwa or Seimitsu make, ball tops are best "in general". Not just fighting games I play a lot of other stuff with my sticks and tweaking them around and trying out stuff. I "finger operate" sticks myself which lends well for ball tops. Others can and do palm operate them, and more.

For me similar question is shaft cover (for sanwa) Yes (Modern) or no (Retro) where I have ended up with no cover.
 
I say this with any peripheral when it comes to fighting games or any game in general. Play what feels best, if the standard Sanwa JLF stick and buttons do it for ya, then sweet. If you used HAPP bat tops and convex buttons growing up and that's how you play, sick. In saying this, there are pros and cons to each.

With Sanwa, or traditional Japanese 'Ball Top' arcade sticks, it's activated by when one/two of four micro switches are in contact with the lever. So, you really can only get 8 directions. I know that there is a HAPP Wico stick that does 360 degrees, so depending on what you're playing it could give you a slight advantage. I also do like a more 'tighter' feel in my arcade stick, so I have a 6 pound spring I put in my Sanwa. That's because I grew up in the USA on HAPP bat tops, which are inherently heavier levers. Anytime I see someone with a MAS stick at casuals or tournaments. I'm like, "What secerets are you keeping?" lmao.

ME, PERSONALLY, in my day to day use. It's a Madcatz TES+ that I've replaced the OEM Sanwa JLF with a newer one and newer buttons just because it was that time. I've smacked those OG buttons and churned butter on that stick for over 6 years, so it was time for a change. Also, like I said before. I have a 6lb spring in it for imidate 'return to neutral' gotta get those Electric God Wind Fists in!
 
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Ever since I got my first Japanese lever with a square gate, the Mad Catz Street Fighter IV stick, there has been no going back to an American lever and callous-causing concave buttons. I would still like to have a proper American-style stick as a novelty, though. I did own an X-Arcade Dual Joystick setup at one point, but it made the experience feel cheap, so I stopped trying to recreate it.

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Ball top, feels better in the hand and between the finger grip. Easier to pull off moves, etc.
 
Anyone who's interested in arcade machines knows the two original different joystick types; battops and balltops which are, as the name would imply, shaped either like a ball or a sports bat. Each has their own advantages and disadvantages, some people probably only grew up with one type or the other, depending on availability and region, so I'm curious to hear everyone's opinion; which do you think is/was better and why?
I grew up with cheap battops on bootleg arcade machines but I've never actually owned one, perhaps I should return to my roots.
 
My sticks are;
Qanba Q4Raf more special than not edition from PS3, Xbox 360 days, but fully kitted with brook universal fighting board.
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When I say fully kitted, I mean every function has been wired up to the brook PCB, player LED's under the "special" sticker that shine through, the turbo button functions as does the LED for turbo. Even the switch originally for choosing between PS3 and Xbox 360 modes now works as RS switch; flick it right and the lever now inputs right analog stick commands. Faster than switchless way of holding button combo for 5 seconds, and actually somewhat useful for Tekken 7/8 customization or whatever else like that.
The parts are all sanwa, and the main idea for the Guilty Gear theme was first done on my next exhibit but transferred to this now main stick. I originally got the Ky Kiske button for 200yen while ordering other stuff from AmiAmi and it took years to just order basic Sanwa buttons to make the full Xrd colorization around the taunt button. No shaft cover and fitting dust covers, I feel like that is more accurate earlier 2000's JP Arcade feel. I do have octagates and even 4 way spinned gates for tetris the grandmaster but square gate is overall the best.

The MadCatz Fightstick Pro
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This thing has seen days. It has had it's original electronics gutted out and replaced with the brook, only for the brook to come out and the original electronics soldered back in with shoddiest soldering job ever, but beauty of an arcade stick all that is inside the box and this one's not see through either. Originally one of the wires connecting a button break-out to the main PCB upper right had disconnected, really cheap stuff you can knock off easily if you do too much inside the stick. Lever is older seimitsu LS-32 that matters with newer ones with Omron switches people do not like as much. The buttons are sanwa and in this case transluscent blues traded with Q4Raf. I used some amiami cards and magic cards for the art in the buttons. Officially, just a PS3 stick as it stands, does work on PC too, and for my use also on my modded switch which fits well enough for me. I meant to install shmups on one of my PS3's and try them out with the LS-32 as a lot of people swear by it.

A sad mayflash of forgotten origin
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Adibas stick, gopnik stick, while the most unremarkable still loved more than it would deserve. Has whatever mayflash PS3+360 electronics it came out with but stick and buttons are replaced with sanwa. For the theme, I used a Hori Hayabusa lever's shaft without cover, which are more than less Sanwa compatible and painted black from factory. It is ortherwise sanwa. It's plastic, it's not wide, it is lighter than it oughta be but it does well, and for long while it was my only 360 stick to try DOA4 or Deadsmiles with. Also for me works on my modded switch and PC as well which is plenty. Still, with the other two ones this one's a ghetto status symbol, and even without use a certified hood classic.
 
Balltop for sure. The Wineglass grip is by far the most comfortable way to hold one, and it's easier with a balltop.
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Neither. I'm too poor to own an arcade stick, anyway. :'(
Depending on your budget, it looks like Amazon have some fairly competitively priced sticks. I can't speak for quality, but some are selling for $40USD
 

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