In case you don't know, the mandella effect is a term for when you are certain of something, but in actuality your memory is faulty. It can also be when a lot of people collectively misremember the same thing.
As a personal example, I love the movie The Secret Garden. In it we learn that the mc's mother died by falling from a swing. I swear that I saw this scene in a flashback once, but other times when I re-watch it, it's gone.
No im getting a lot of deja vu as of recently wait I think this happened before or "man I remember this particular situation happening"
The Mandela effect? Hmmm I do remember thinking there was an IS1 in sudden strike 2 but I can't find anymore I think I mistaken a KV1 for an IS1 when I first played that's why I always held this thought.
No im getting a lot of deja vu as of recently wait I think this happened before or "man I remember this particular situation happening"
The Mandela effect? Hmmm I do remember thinking there was an IS1 in sudden strike 2 but I can't find anymore I think I mistaken a KV1 for an IS1 when I first played that's why I always held this thought.
Ah yes, dejá vú is an interesting concept as well. I experience them from time to time as well. It's a freaky feeling when a sensation comes over you for a brief moment and you think "Did I do this before?"
Ah yes, dejá vú is an interesting concept as well. I experience them from time to time as well. It's a freaky feeling when a sensation comes over you for a brief moment and you think "Did I do this before?"
Ah yes, dejá vú is an interesting concept as well. I experience them from time to time as well. It's a freaky feeling when a sensation comes over you for a brief moment and you think "Did I do this before?"
That feeling can be quite terrifying. Like it's not just "Did I do this before?", but it'll give me that "I feel like I've seen this exact same thing happened before" and that scared tf out of me sometimes. It felt like I'm in a loop or something from time to time
That feeling can be quite terrifying. Like it's not just "Did I do this before?", but it'll give me that "I feel like I've seen this exact same thing happened before" and that scared tf out of me sometimes. It felt like I'm in a loop or something from time to time
Once while rewatching a show, I was sure a certain character died but came back in a certain way... and then, while rewatching, the moment never came. The character died and never came back, in any form, not even flashbacks... I was like "that's not possible, they brought this character back doing this and that".
I must have dreamed it, but boy, was that written in my brain as real... ?
I have one where I vividly remember being called up front on the first day of kindergarten to pick a song for 'singing time' (it was the early 80s, idk if they would even do this nowadays) and the song I picked was Gimme All Your Lovin' by ZZ Top. I was met with 30 blank stares, and the teacher said she meant something like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, but I didn't know what that was.
If I started school when I think I did, it was September of 82. But that ZZ Top album didn't come out until spring of 1983, so either my memory is faultly, the video got aired months out in anticipation of this album's release, or I need to call the X-Files to figure it out. It could be that I started school later and only did a half-year? I don't know. But I'm positive of my memory. I guess I could solve it by ordering my transcripts or whatever, but that's like $40 and I like the mystery more than whatever the real answer is.
Once while rewatching a show, I was sure a certain character died but came back in a certain way... and then, while rewatching, the moment never came. The character died and never came back, in any form, not even flashbacks... I was like "that's not possible, they brought this character back doing this and that".
I must have dreamed it, but boy, was that written in my brain as real... ?
I have many cases like that as well. None that I remember in particular right now, but I do know it's happened on numerous occassions. The human mind sure is a strange beast.
I have one where I vividly remember being called up front on the first day of kindergarten to pick a song for 'singing time' (it was the early 80s, idk if they would even do this nowadays) and the song I picked was Gimme All Your Lovin' by ZZ Top. I was met with 30 blank stares, and the teacher said she meant something like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, but I didn't know what that was.
If I started school when I think I did, it was September of 82. But that ZZ Top album didn't come out until spring of 1983, so either my memory is faultly, the video got aired months out in anticipation of this album's release, or I need to call the X-Files to figure it out. It could be that I started school later and only did a half-year? I don't know. But I'm positive of my memory. I guess I could solve it by ordering my transcripts or whatever, but that's like $40 and I like the mystery more than whatever the real answer is.
I don't think I've heard that song before, but in the kindergarten I work the kids are obsessed with songs like Barbie Girl and we just ride along. Maybe it was more uncommon in the 80s that kindergarten kids would suggest "adult" songs?
Anyway, it sure is strange that the "timeline" doesn't add up for you, but like you also say, the mystery is part of the fun. Quoting the beginning of Alan Wake: "The unanswered mystery is what stays with us the longest, and is what we'll remember in the end." If you had got the answer to this conundrum, I don't think you'd still remember it so vividly.
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Not sure if it's really a mandella effect, but my first memory of watching Pokémon was me, 7 years old, walking into the livingroom where my younger brother watch watching something. Three kids running along a grassy field (Ash, Misty, and Brock). Suddenly the ground collapses under them with Ash barely holding onto a ledge for dear life with Misty holding onto his legs, and Brock into hers. While they hang there and the camera pulls out (from the side), a spacey background can be seen, and a tri-parted picture of Blastoise, Charizard, and Venusaur (as they appear on the box of the Red, Blue, Green games) temporarily cover the screen). After that, the three manage to pull themselves up, where Jessie, James, and Meowth has smugly waiting for them with a big city in the background.
i dont know if anyone else has had his but i swear there used to be a shade of green that doesnt exist anymore just a specific green that i remember but i cant find anywhere not in nature or shades of paint or in editing programs or anything. closest thing to the shade i mean is the weirdly luminous green you see on oxidized copper but even that isnt right it was more richer and like solid like it had weight i guess i believe i first noticed this when i went back to some old childhood places and the greens werent the same. the trees the signs even the old toys i couldve sworn had that shade it makes sense to think its just a perception thing when you age but i found out that color loss isnt only just a biological issue turns out that pigments disappear from history all the time like ancient rome had verdigris but it faded so fast they couldnt even preserve it properly. and while it probably isnt that color that i remember i still felt like this situation is pretty similar but its not like something you can just check online or anything since most modern screens dont even cover about supposedly 30 percent of the real world color spectrum. also theres this old theory from a russian neurologist about how certain tribes didnt even see blue because they had no word for it and theres evidence that greeks didnt dinstinguish between blue and dark shades of red so its as easy as controlling what we see to bring about this effect. its not far fetched to say there could be some will out there thats shifting baseline perception editing certain colors out of existence in some form. it probably sounds a bit ridicolous but i mean color isnt just visual its psychological it affects mood emotion compliance. theres a reason fast food places uses red (stimulation) and corporate offices drown you in desaturated blues (calm and passive) so just saying. i dont know if it counts as a "mandella effect" if its not a shared experience but i also dont think that discounts my experience in the slightest ill probably never figure out the real reason behind this but i make sure to remind myself of the memory of that shade every now and then so i dont forget it. i feel like if i do forget it ill also forget to stop questioning this and just live my life trained to accept a world thats potentionally already been edited before i even open my eyes
So, when it comes to movie scenes, that's happened to me but then I've gone back and read that said scenes were edited for different releases or for television.
Media can gaslight you like that, lol
Not in the "Global Scale" kind, but instead i tend to dream shows and movies that doesn't exists, what makes those dreams frustrating is the fact that i don't dream a quick glimpse and there, no, i dream the show fully, even having credits, the most recent one is about a thriller movie about a emergency doctor that ends up blind in a car crash and must keep a woman alive, i remembered it so real that i tried to look for it, but after three days of failure searching, i realized something, i was watching the movie in the house of a family member that doesn't exist, and that is the mildest case
So, when it comes to movie scenes, that's happened to me but then I've gone back and read that said scenes were edited for different releases or for television.
Media can gaslight you like that, lol
I remember when I saw Tomorrow Land in theatres, and remember it starts with the mc infiltrating a power plant of some sort where she plants explosives, and I distinctively remember the explosives go off. When I saw it on Blu-Ray afterwards that scene was gone, and no one had uploaded it on youtube if it was a deleted scene.
Not in the "Global Scale" kind, but instead i tend to dream shows and movies that doesn't exists, what makes those dreams frustrating is the fact that i don't dream a quick glimpse and there, no, i dream the show fully, even having credits, the most recent one is about a thriller movie about a emergency doctor that ends up blind in a car crash and must keep a woman alive, i remembered it so real that i tried to look for it, but after three days of failure searching, i realized something, i was watching the movie in the house of a family member that doesn't exist, and that is the mildest case
Déjà vu seems to be a mental glitch. Basically, the mind has to take in information, transfer it to temporary memory, then transfer it into permanent memory. That usually works fine, but now and then it transfers it backwards. This doesn't seem to be a sign of anything other than our brains not being perfect even in normal condition.
As for the Mandela effect, it seems to be used more in reference to childhood memories than adult memories. The human mind normally drops a ton of information from childhood and fills in gaps where that lost info should be. So it's unlikely we are experiencing alternate dimensions or anything fantastical like that, and just coping with the way our brains fail to hold memories perfectly.
Déjà vu seems to be a mental glitch. Basically, the mind has to take in information, transfer it to temporary memory, then transfer it into permanent memory. That usually works fine, but now and then it transfers it backwards. This doesn't seem to be a sign of anything other than our brains not being perfect even in normal condition.
As for the Mandela effect, it seems to be used more in reference to childhood memories than adult memories. The human mind normally drops a ton of information from childhood and fills in gaps where that lost info should be. So it's unlikely we are experiencing alternate dimensions or anything fantastical like that, and just coping with the way our brains fail to hold memories perfectly.
Very interesting takes! And I think I get the idea of "transfering backwards", but could you elaborate? I mean the whole point of déjá vu is that you swear you have experienced something before... but you also swear that you really haven't... that it's just your mind playing you for a brief second. So if the mind has nowhere to take the information from, since it hasn't really happened, we just think it has, where does that glitch come from?
I can also definitly get behind the idea that our minds fill in the gaps of memory/information lost from childhood to adulthood... or throughout our lives in general in some cases, and while it's fun to theorize about alternate realities and dimension-hopping, I never actually believed any of that. Still, it IS peculiar that we are sometimes thousands who misremember the same thing in the same way. With the rise of the internet I do however moreso attribute that to ONE person getting a certain detail wrong, and then it just spreads.
Like the Darth Vader quote; "No, I am your father". Many allegedly remember it as "Luke, I am your father", which can be explained very easily as someone misquoting the movie, and then others just started doing the same without double-checking if the quote was correct. Skip forward a few hundred thousand links, and people now look back at the movie - with the wrong fabricated quote in mind - and swear to their grandmother than the movie is wrong.
Like the Darth Vader quote; "No, I am your father". Many allegedly remember it as "Luke, I am your father", which can be explained very easily as someone misquoting the movie, and then others just started doing the same without double-checking if the quote was correct. Skip forward a few hundred thousand links, and people now look back at the movie - with the wrong fabricated quote in mind - and swear to their grandmother than the movie is wrong.
Very interesting takes! And I think I get the idea of "transfering backwards", but could you elaborate? I mean the whole point of déjá vu is that you swear you have experienced something before... but you also swear that you really haven't... that it's just your mind playing you for a brief second. So if the mind has nowhere to take the information from, since it hasn't really happened, we just think it has, where does that glitch come from?
I can also definitly get behind the idea that our minds fill in the gaps of memory/information lost from childhood to adulthood... or throughout our lives in general in some cases, and while it's fun to theorize about alternate realities and dimension-hopping, I never actually believed any of that. Still, it IS peculiar that we are sometimes thousands who misremember the same thing in the same way. With the rise of the internet I do however moreso attribute that to ONE person getting a certain detail wrong, and then it just spreads.
Like the Darth Vader quote; "No, I am your father". Many allegedly remember it as "Luke, I am your father", which can be explained very easily as someone misquoting the movie, and then others just started doing the same without double-checking if the quote was correct. Skip forward a few hundred thousand links, and people now look back at the movie - with the wrong fabricated quote in mind - and swear to their grandmother than the movie is wrong.
So when you are trying to remember something from the past, you take info from permanent memory (or long-term memory, if you want the precise term) and transfer it to temporary memory (working memory). You understand that this is something from the past because your mind transferred it in that order (as well as the fact that you don't sense it coming into your mind at the moment). The reverse happens with new info, as you have to experience it first in WM, then remember it by transferring it to LTM.
But what if new information went straight to LTM? You might not notice it under different circumstances, but the fact that it's right in front of you and entering into WM after entering LTM, means you are going to feel like you experienced this new thing in the past despite that being obviously false. Of course, the brain should not normally work like this. But then again, the body does a lot of things it shouldn't.
The internet is probably a huge factor in the Mandela effect, but it did exist to some extent beforehand. The difference was that little pop cultural things (Bernstein Bears, Shazaam, etc) didn't gain much traction. Meanwhile, the big pop cultural ones (beam me up, Scotty; Luke, I am your father, etc) did gain traction. That was likely because these big pop cultural events were heavily referenced through parodies and pastiches, and they used variants of the originals because they had to compress ideas in order to fit them into their new formats.
And some of these made no sense in the new format if you reinserted them into the original context: Why would Vader say "Luke" when the conversation was already ongoing? Why would Kirk ask for only him to be beamed up, when he always said the number of people being beamed? People noticed the inconsistency back then, but just laughed it off as a failure of memory.
It really became a big phenomenon, and got a its current name, because of the "alternate dimension" nonsense that spread online. (Beforehand, it was just called misremembered phrases.) It switched from a mildly interesting curiosity to an obsession (for some, at least) just because someone gave a fantastical explanation for something mundane but not always understood.
So when you are trying to remember something from the past, you take info from permanent memory (or long-term memory, if you want the precise term) and transfer it to temporary memory (working memory). You understand that this is something from the past because your mind transferred it in that order (as well as the fact that you don't sense it coming into your mind at the moment). The reverse happens with new info, as you have to experience it first in WM, then remember it by transferring it to LTM.
But what if new information went straight to LTM? You might not notice it under different circumstances, but the fact that it's right in front of you and entering into WM after entering LTM, means you are going to feel like you experienced this new thing in the past despite that being obviously false. Of course, the brain should not normally work like this. But then again, the body does a lot of things it shouldn't.
The internet is probably a huge factor in the Mandela effect, but it did exist to some extent beforehand. The difference was that little pop cultural things (Bernstein Bears, Shazaam, etc) didn't gain much traction. Meanwhile, the big pop cultural ones (beam me up, Scotty; Luke, I am your father, etc) did gain traction. That was likely because these big pop cultural events were heavily referenced through parodies and pastiches, and they used variants of the originals because they had to compress ideas in order to fit them into their new formats.
And some of these made no sense in the new format if you reinserted them into the original context: Why would Vader say "Luke" when the conversation was already ongoing? Why would Kirk ask for only him to be beamed up, when he always said the number of people being beamed? People noticed the inconsistency back then, but just laughed it off as a failure of memory.
It really became a big phenomenon, and got a its current name, because of the "alternate dimension" nonsense that spread online. (Beforehand, it was just called misremembered phrases.) It switched from a mildly interesting curiosity to an obsession (for some, at least) just because someone gave a fantastical explanation for something mundane but not always understood.
I understand completely, thanks for the elaboration! It makes total sense the way you explained it, and with this new understanding and visualization the phenomenon is now even more intriguing to me!
As for the mandella effect. Sure when you boil it down it's just a simple matter of misremembering, but what's the fun in that? As with movies (and entertainment in general) where reality is deliberately exaggerated, everything is more exciting when you dramaticize it.
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