I'm not the only guy who thinks the idea of the evil dragons was absolutely perfect? If you go through its execution I think it's a perfect way to wrap up the series: abusing of the wishes and restore it. Shenlong appearing for the first time without the dark clouds wrapping the whole planet was perfect.
I don't know, there are plenty of stuff that I think about it, it makes me say "yeah , GT did that right". But then many other moments hard to go through.
TOEI anime adaptation of long-ass mangas are notorious to always have been slugged down on purpose, for better but mostly for worse. I would never dream to binge the main One Piece anime just for that. And probably neither Saint Seiya or properly even the same DB from start to finish.
Anyways: ok, I thought you were giving most importance only to DBZ. When I hear people highly praise Toriyama it always makes me wonder if they actually understood the guy ahah, apologies to have doubted.
He was always a comedian mangaka. From the origins (with whatever weird stuff he came up in 1979) to Arale to Dragon Ball, especially in the beginning of it. From DBZ towards it clearly shows that his Shueisha superiors wanted more serious stuff and he felt forced to do so. Especially obviously after Frieza.
Oh btw, regarding your issue about Gogeta SSJ4 in the show: it was definitely referencing the over-cocky Vegetto attitude from Buu-den. It's why the character itself was basically a clown for its barely 10 minutes of existence. But, I mean: this series was never supposed to be over serious, it's why I appreciated many stuff from the Buu-den. Cell-den barely had Mr. Satan for that.
The "-den" Is in reference to the respective saga? like "freezer-den" or "frieza-den"? Anime or manga? i searched before quoting but as always the shitty search engines didn't do shit, hell, it even shoved autotranslstion in fucking Startpage.
The evil dragones only Worked for Omega Shenron/ the 1 Star Dragon, the twins don't get any reason to be look-alike when te rest are different, nuova/4 Stars Is a nice callback but it's completely forgettable and the execution of his death scene for me at least in retrospective reaches the same level of cringe as the two scenes in Z that i mentioned earlier, his brother Is better as a villain and it's weird how he Is also a better character In the games...
the rest of the dragons are horrible: the monster Is an uglier and worse yakon, the pterodactyl one Is awful and His episode Is one of the worst looking In the entire franchise (and sadly the second to last voice-over dub by the Legendary Arturo mercado in the latin American dub, he reprised as babidi in Kai but never returned, i hopd he is okay), the Blue lady Is bad and never Explored + His design Is awful + her episode's subplot with the kid Is extremely weird and out of place for dragon ball (an abusive alcoholic dad)
And the mole one Is also atrocius + 2 freaking episodes? really?
Btw, the grand tour has like 2 mini Arcs that nobody ever mentions (the R.U.D.O. bot and the m2 planet with pan freaking out) and the 2, yes, 2 parter episodes: the poor planet and the elf planet, both of which are boring (AND also always cringed at the scene were trunks realizes they're being gaslighted, the selection of music in that scene was awful, same with baby's death) and everybody always says the super 17 Arc was 7 episodes when actually were 6, prior go those episode there's the mr. Satan sucessor tournament in which, despite nothing moving the plot, and unlike the first 2 episodes it was actually enjoyable, a better comedy-centred tournament than Sonic x tbh.
also they aparently realized Dragon Ball wasn't just a comedy like in the beggining and KO'ed Goku with knockout gas, something only ever done in volume 2 and never again, and weirldy nobody thinks that characters like midnight from mha or Poisson ivy from Batman can simply beat Goku by rendering him unconscious and killing him in His sleep?, too Many death matches and things like that With characters with OP strenght like Superman but nobody ever thought of that? Heck, even someone normal like mr. Satan could just defeat him by breaking his neck manually.
I'm aware of the vegetto thing, but there it had the purpose of entering buu's body to free the rest of the Z Warriors, ss4 gogeta is directly a dumbass because the plot demands it, there's no reason for it, tenkaichi 2 practically did the Story better than the anime in that part, and o don't even like bt2 that much.
And yes, Toriyama was first a comedy-centred mangaka, the thing Is: once you and your work have changed or evolved there's no coming back, i can understand that Toriyama was forced by shueshia, but things like kajika demonstrate that the Man could do a good serious Story, even for 1 or volumes, as much as i like it, Neko Majin z feels really forced compared to His earlier work, and i don't even know by the time he allowed dbs, i can understand if his other works didn't help him financially, but letting that not only the animated adaptation of your Story get ruined but also the manga you Made Is such a shame, the Man didn't seem happy at all in His last few photos, at least i hope he had a great Time with His family.
I'm any case, good morning.
