Handheld vs Home console

[nathman]

I forgot nothing. Who are you even arguing with here?

Nobody is saying Switch Lite is a home console.

You said the Switch wasn't good as a handheld, or a good home console.
I brought it up as the handheld-only device, the Lite, stating that thing is no worse than the previous Nintendo handhelds. That's it.

You are stating it's too big. Fair complaint. You are then arguing that it isn't a home console, stating the obvious, and trying to imply that people are saying otherwise.

Yes. It is not a home console. Nobody said it was, but go ahead.

My comment: "Eh, it's too big. And it's not a home console either since it doesn't have a display out."

Your reply: "The Nintendo handheld that is better than all previous Nintendo handhelds isn't a home console?"

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

My comment: "Eh, it's too big. And it's not a home console either since it doesn't have a display out."

Wait, it does have one, the dock is literally for that.

 

[nathman]

While I may agree the Switch is a bit too big and heavy for a handheld I don't see that it's not good as a home console (it's officially listed as a hybrid).


If you're speaking of power then you'd consider that the Wii wasn't good and dare I say the N64 and Gamecube were also limited because of their respective game format (cartridge and mini dvd).

See the Wii had a bunch of cool social features and the online was free. The N64 and Gamecube were also the most powerful in their respective generations and they were built far better than the Switch ever was.

The Switch in comparison is just underwhelming.

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Wait, it does have one, the dock is literally for that.

No, the SWITCH LITE. Oh my god.

 

[PhaseJump]

My comment: "Eh, it's too big. And it's not a home console either since it doesn't have a display out."

Your reply: "The Nintendo handheld that is better than all previous Nintendo handhelds isn't a home console?"

My reply.
A rhetorical, facetious, blatantly sarcastic question with a stupid gif attached to it to help drive the point home that there is absurdity in your tangent:

The Nintendo handheld that is better than all previous Nintendo handhelds isn't a home console?

Nobody said the Lite was a home console. Only that it's arguably no worse than the other Nintendo handhelds before it. You're trying to repeatedly correct other people over your own poorly drawn conclusions or lack of reading comprehension.

The entire argument is stupid. I should have just said "No shit?" but I fear you likely would have tried explaining the blatantly obvious again.

 

[nathman]

My reply.
A rhetorical, facetious, blatantly sarcastic question with a stupid gif attached to it to help drive the point home that there is absurdity in your tangent:

Hang on, no. Your original point was to rebute against not being able to compare handhelds against home consoles by posting an image of the Switch. I pointed out that it isn't good at being a handheld nor is it even that good as a home console.

That's when you brought up the Switch Lite "being as good as any previous Nintendo handheld" to which I replied that it's still too big and it's not even a home console, making your original rebute nullified in my view. There was no absurd tangent, I simply stuck to the point while you went in a pedantic circle that made no sense.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

See the Wii had a bunch of cool social features and the online was free.

The Wii had channels but I don't remember social features outside of sharing Miis between friends.

The N64 and Gamecube were also the most powerful in their respective generations and they were built far better than the Switch ever was.

The N64 was also suffering from less space in games.

No, the Xbox was more powerful than the Gamecube during the 6th generation. I don't consider that the N64 is actually more powerful than the Switch at all.

The Switch in comparison is just underwhelming.

Yet was still much better than the Wii U was in many aspects.

 

[PhaseJump]

Hang on, no. Your original point was to rebute against not being able to compare handhelds against home consoles by posting an image of the Switch. I pointed out that it isn't good at being a handheld nor is it even that good as a home console.

That's when you brought up the Switch Lite "being as good as any previous Nintendo handheld" to which I replied that it's still too big and it's not even a home console, making your original rebute nullified in my view. There was no absurd tangent, I simply stuck to the point while you went in a pedantic circle that made no sense.

My point was that the Lite, it's handheld-only form is no worse than the old handheld-only consoles Nintendo has put out before.

You're making an argument why you think it is worse, then repeatedly saying it's also not a home console.

No shit, Sherlock. Of course it isn't a home console. Of course there isn't a TV out on it.

 

[nathman]

The Wii had channels but I don't remember social features outside of sharing Miis between friends.


The N64 was also suffering from less space in games.

No, the Xbox was more powerful than the Gamecube during the 6th generation. I don't consider that the N64 is actually more powerful than the Switch at all.


Yet was still much better than the Wii U was in many aspects.

The N64 benefited from quicker loading times. Game size isn't everything as well, I actually think such limitations could be a benefit to game design, especially in this day & age.

The Xbox was the last console to release in that generation. The most powerful, yes, but the GC's original competition was the PS2 and the Dreamcast. I also never suggested that the N64 was more powerful than the Switch, by "built far better than the Switch ever was" I mean build quality (you could throw a GameCube down a flight of stairs and it would still work).

The Wii U had:
- Miiverse
- Free P2P Online (which the Switch used to have but doesn't anymore).
- Virtual Console
- Native Wii and Gamecube backward compatibility
- an Internet Browser
- Nintendo TVii

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My point was that the Lite, it's handheld-only form is no worse than the old handheld-only consoles Nintendo has put out before.

You're making an argument why you think it is worse, then repeatedly saying it's also not a home console.

No shit, Sherlock. Of course it isn't a home console. Of course there isn't a TV out on it.

Yeah it doesn't have a TV out. My overall point was that I disagree with the premise that you can compare handhelds to home consoles.

 

[PhaseJump]

The Xbox was the last console to release in that generation.

Gamecube launched after Xbox in North America, and in Europe.

The most powerful, yes, but the GC's original competition was the PS2 and the Dreamcast.

For about 2 months in Japan.

It's an absolutely absurd implication you are laying the ground work to be made here, that Xbox somehow wasn't competition for, or the same generation as the Gamecube

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

The N64 benefited from quicker loading times. Game size isn't everything as well, I actually think such limitations could be a benefit to game design, especially in this day & age.

But back when the PSX was currently selling it was more affordable and convenient for devs, FF7 nor MGS could've been on the N64 because of that space constraint. Rareware just happened to do black magic with their games.

The Xbox was the last console to release in that generation. The most powerful, yes, but the GC's original competition was the PS2 and the Dreamcast.

Still, the Gamecube was the second most powerful (yet again, the PS2 was still ultimately the console that was the most successful).

by "built far better than the Switch ever was" I mean build quality (you could throw a GameCube down a flight of stairs and it would still work).

A console that is thin with 60% of its surface its screen breaking compared to a rectangular parallelepiped block isn't surprising but either way you're not supposed to drop a device like that.

The Wii U had:
- Miiverse
- Free P2P Online (which the Switch used to have but doesn't anymore).
- Virtual Console
- Native Wii and Gamecube backward compatibility
- an Internet Browser
- Nintendo TVii

Outside of memes the Miiverse was a wreck of a social network, I also am a bit less fan of letting kids on them.

Consoles having paid online is seen in all consoles.

The Wii backward compatibility was because of the format, putting discs on a handheld is not the best idea (sorry PSP but UMDs making a loud sound isn't great).

An Internet browser that couldn't do most of the things PC ones could do and honestly in the current era people use smartphones more often than their game console. The DS browser was funny for a bit when not everyone could have a smart device but was too limited.

TVii wasn't in Europe as I read but that wasn't the best feature of the console when you could simply swap channel or remove the console from its dock.

 

[nathman]

Gamecube launched after Xbox in North America, and in Europe.


For about 2 months in Japan.

It's an absolutely absurd implication you are laying the ground work to be made here, that Xbox somehow wasn't competition for, or the same generation as the Gamecube

No I got mixed up there, my bad. But I wasn't implying that the Xbox wasn't meant to compete with the rest of the 6th gen if it were released later.

I was wrong but please don't misrepresent my argument. I'm already confused and unnecessarily heated over the Switch Lite crap.

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But back when the PSX was currently selling it was more affordable and convenient for devs, FF7 nor MGS could've been on the N64 because of that space constraint. Rareware just happened to do black magic with their games.


Still, the Gamecube was the second most powerful (yet again, the PS2 was still ultimately the console that was the most successful).


A console that is thin with 60% of its surface its screen breaking compared to a rectangular parallelepiped block isn't surprising but either way you're not supposed to drop a device like that.


Outside of memes the Miiverse was a wreck of a social network, I also am a bit less fan of letting kids on them.

Consoles having paid online is seen in all consoles.

The Wii backward compatibility was because of the format, putting discs on a handheld is not the best idea (sorry PSP but UMDs making a loud sound isn't great).

An Internet browser that couldn't do most of the things PC ones could do and honestly in the current era people use smartphones more often than their game console. The DS browser was funny for a bit when not everyone could have a smart device but was too limited.

TVii wasn't in Europe as I read but that wasn't the best feature of the console when you could simply swap channel or remove the console from its dock.

Okay, some of the stuff, fair. But there are some points I want to bring up in response.

(1. The PS2 being an affordable DVD player helped its sales quite a bit. Sales also don't have that much to do with how good something is, only how popular it is.

(2. Sure the tablet part of the Switch is going to be inherently more fragile. But the controllers also aren't built very well either. Neither did I say that you're supposed to throw your console down a flight of stairs, I just used that hypothetical to emphasise my point.

(3. The PS3, Wii, Wii U had free online. I never had to pay a dime back in 2012 to go into Gran Turismo 5 public lobbies and annoy people.

(4. With the rest. Sure, a console internet browser isn't great and TVii wasn't either. But it was there for goodness sake.

(5. Well the Wii/GC backwards compatibility is still something that the Switch doesn't have either way. It has a few GameCube game via the Expansion Pass subscription, but that's a subscription.