Fantasy/Sci-Fi book recommendations.

I'd read it if you find the title again.
I got it.
It's "The Forever War" by Joe Aldeman. I think it inspired Verhoeven for Starship Trooper. Joe Aldeman is a veteran from vietnam who suffered an amputation and IIRC Ironside's caracter is a direct nod to that, as there's no amputee protagonist in the novel IIRC. Dont ask me where I heard that tho that may be complete bullshit.
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Personally I think the book is still good for what it is.

I mean the Arachnids are not the "actual poor victims of the evil humans" but also are an empire that wants to expand themselves. It's not black and white.

I mean in the same way Ridley Scott's Blade Runner is not the same as P.K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and it's fine.

Adaptions are not meant to be 1:1 transcriptions from a medium to another.

And I'd also say that outside of the subtext the movie is still a damn good action sci-fi one akin to Aliens.

I think the issue I have with your comment is that you focus more on the author's life than the content of the book. I think it's a pretty good display of the Death of the Author and I don't want to take too much of that into account because what matters is the narration, story and overall content of the art than the artist's personal life and experience.


My example will be weird but it'd be like saying that if an actual restaurant cook did an hypothetical live action adaption of Ratatouille (by Disney obviously) it would be de facto more authentic than Pixar's. Yes, I used that movie but it was the first that came into mind when I wanted to think about cooking.
So the literal insects are themselves troubling, as fascists tend to refer to their victims as insects to dehumanize them. Verhoeven picked up on that, of course, which is why they are the victims in the film. Portraying them as an evil empire is very black & white, as it leaves no room for the possibility that the dehumanized villains don't deserve to be dehumanized. I'd consider such doubling down to be bad writing, personally.

Blade Runner is definitely different from DADoES, but that is not the same case. Scott wasn't trying to comment on the failures of the book; he was just making his own version of the story. Though you can argue one version is better than the other, it's not a case of one failing to think through what was written and the other correcting said failure.

Yes, adaptations are not exact copies. And in some cases, they just shouldn't be loyal to the original. Jaws would have sucked if it kept the mafia and infidelity subplots and focused less on the shark. Who Framed Roger Rabbit was better with Roger alive than dead. Fast Times at Ridgemont High was better with Spicoli as a likable stoner instead of an unlikable jerkass. (Note that those are all books people forget even exist because the movie was so much better.) And Michael Crichton is... not as bad when the films cut out the racism, misogyny, and some of the ludditism. (Though that's impossible with some of his works, which is why nobody in their right mind loves Rising Sun or Disclosure.)

Verhoeven has a knack for using the visual language of action movies and turning that into smart socio-political commentary, so much so that many mistake his work for being dumb. For example, Robocop is actually a brilliant take-down of corporate power and deregulation that just happens to be full of violent action that even standard contemporary action films didn't match.

The issue is not simply Heinlein's personal experience, but that he hyped up a horrifying experience that he didn't understand anything about, excluded all the problems with it that he didn't get because he only experienced the comfy aspects of it (basic training and a desk job), created an absolute evil villain for the army to fight using the same language that fascists use to describe them, and used all this to justify a horribly authoritarian & jingoistic way of life that he wrongly considered utopian.

Compare that to Verhoeven, who knows the reality from experience and saw all the holes in Heinlein's writing and thus could create a story that takes into account what would logically happen in that world. His film actually shows people getting killed and mutilated senselessly, that wars are often done for pointless and wrong reasons, that dehumanization is an aspect of fascism, and that the "utopia" doesn't work. The film ends up being a more legit work because it isn't hiding anything about the problems with the subject matter; instead, it brings it all to where Heinlein never went and never understood: the front.

As for your example, if Pixar screwed up the recipes in the process of making them look better, purposely hid the fact that keeping rats in a kitchen is a health code violation, showed the stress of working in a restaurant as non-existent, threw around terminology that is not allowed in the industry, and tried to convince people that the world would be better if everyone was forced to work in a kitchen; then the chef, in the process of making a film that criticized all those mistakes, may have made the more authentic, and maybe even better, work. But neither film has ever been made, so we can't say for sure. Verhoeven's film is real, and can be measured against the novel.
 
Nothing can go wrong with these bad boys
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Some had a gimmick where some pages were perfumed, sadly time took my collection away and PDF can't exactly replicate them smell yet, also the humans fell kinda uncanny and unfitting to the Stiltonverse, still good reads
 
I suggest the Dragonlance book series.

The Dragonlance book series is a rich tapestry of fantasy fiction set in the Dungeons & Dragons universe. It primarily chronicles the adventures of a diverse group of heroes in the world of Krynn as they confront the dark forces led by the malevolent goddess Takhisis, known as the Queen of Darkness. Central to the narrative is the War of the Lance, a massive conflict between good and evil, where iconic characters such as the brave knight Tanis Half-Elven, the enigmatic mage Raistlin Majere, and the courageous kender Tasslehoff Burrfoot come together to fight for the fate of their world.

The series began with the "Chronicles" trilogy, which includes Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Dragons of Winter Night, and Dragons of Spring Dawning, showcasing the heroes' journey as they seek the lost dragonlances to battle the draconic hordes. This epic saga explores themes of friendship, sacrifice, and the struggle between light and darkness, crafting a compelling narrative that has captivated readers for decades. Subsequent books and spin-offs expand upon the lore, introducing new characters and exploring the rich history and magic of Krynn.

I just copied & pasted a quick synopsis for it. They are very good books if you like Dungeons and Dragons and high fantasy.

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Nothing can go wrong with these bad boys
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Some had a gimmick where some pages were perfumed, sadly time took my collection away and PDF can't exactly replicate them smell yet, also the humans fell kinda uncanny and unfitting to the Stiltonverse, still good reads
I'm honestly weirdly hype to try these out just because they're about a character called Geronimo Stilton. Perfumed pages are an interesting feature too.
 
So the literal insects are themselves troubling, as fascists tend to refer to their victims as insects to dehumanize them. Verhoeven picked up on that, of course, which is why they are the victims in the film. Portraying them as an evil empire is very black & white, as it leaves no room for the possibility that the dehumanized villains don't deserve to be dehumanized. I'd consider such doubling down to be bad writing, personally.
I'm sorry but I absolutely disagree about them being the actual victims in the story (both book and film).

If you want an analogy they're more akin to the USSR/Soviets where they are like working ants, all on the same model with the number to swarm the enemy.

While the humans aren't much better it's not a "the real monsters are the humans" kind of scenario. They're not shown as victims in the movie either considering that they killed civilians in the colonies.

PS: Also why are they "dehumanized" since they are not human to begin with? Think of it like the Tyranid, the Zerg, the Flood, the Borg, the Cybermen the Necromorphs or any other hive mind type of alien that are focused on colonising/assimilating like many living organism.

I'm sorry but I wouldn't defend belliquous aliens by thinking that it's fascist if they're attacking civilians or using weapons against us either.
 
I'm sorry but I absolutely disagree about them being the actual victims in the story (both book and film).

If you want an analogy they're more akin to the USSR/Soviets where they are like working ants, all on the same model with the number to swarm the enemy.

While the humans aren't much better it's not a "the real monsters are the humans" kind of scenario. They're not shown as victims in the movie either considering that they killed civilians in the colonies.

PS: Also why are they "dehumanized" since they are not human to begin with? Think of it like the Tyranid, the Zerg, the Flood, the Borg, the Cybermen the Necromorphs or any other hive mind type of alien that are focused on colonising/assimilating like many living organism.

I'm sorry but I wouldn't defend belliquous aliens by thinking that it's fascist if they're attacking civilians or using weapons against us either.
Verhoeven wasn't saying "humans are the real monsters." There was nothing so shallow in his film. The message was that the people who gave you nothing but propaganda to show you what was happening were the real monsters. The insects are actually "humanized" in his film to the point that they aren't really contrasted with literal humanity as a whole, but with fascists.

Your claim about comparing Soviets to ants only further proves my point. Fascists compared all of their enemies like that, including communists. Granted, the Russian military has consistently used the Zerg rush strategy (with the success of it varying wildly), but Heinlein still failed to think through his choice of analogy and how it would be compared to the real world of war that he barely knew.

As for the insects killing people in the colonies, we never got the whole story on that. Did they really do it, or was that just more propaganda? Were the colonists attacking them first? Were some of the colonists incognito military personnel who were there to start a fight? We see everything from the perspective of the fascists, so we simply don't have the whole story.

As for your final question, "to begin with" is the problem itself. Heinlein is trying to show military life as the superior lifestyle, the one every single person absolutely must be forced into or be subhumanized themselves by being stripped of their citizenship. Basic rights of democratic and free countries that actual human beings have innately will be taken away if they don't sacrifice themselves to the meat grinder. And the only way to justify such authoritarian behavior is to produce an even more horrifying result for not submitting to horror.

So of course, Heinlein takes the easy route and creates an enemy that people at the time would be familiar with: das Untermensch. Keep in mind, this book was published during the era known as the nadir of American race relations; tons of media of that era, from Birth of a Nation to Triumph of the Will to (arguably) King Kong played on the idea of an evil subhuman race coming to get the master race whose self-chosen defenders could not be justified without an invented enemy. And that didn't really stop after the war, as we didn't have a turnaround in social views until we were part of the way through the 70s at earliest. (Political changes did come a little bit earlier, but public attitudes were a bit slower.) I know none of this is in the book, but historical context does matter to understanding literature, and this book is squarely within the time period it was made.

Heinlein did not have his hands tied. He was never forced to write the way he did. He could have made any kind of modifications he wanted to his creation. The insects could have been made intelligent and capable of human qualities (as Verhoeven made them). They could have been given motives and capacities that we see in real wars, such as being able to act diplomatically. More importantly, though, they could have been not insects. Heinlein's writing is judged by his choices, not by some "preexisting" issue with the fictional universe he deliberately made.

Ultimately, Heinlein undermines the point of his book by removing the human element from his commentary on human life. His ideology goes nowhere without some made up BS about an eternal subhuman threat that will stop at nothing to wipe out the "superior" people for no logical reason. That is the same argument that fascists make to support eternal war. If Heinlein actually understood the enemy he himself "fought", actually saw the results of what they did with similar ideas, he'd have gotten how much he hurt his own argument.

I should also note that all the other examples you gave were post-ST creations, at least some of which were copied off of ST. (The Borg, by the way, were eventually humanized to some degree if you ever watched beyond TNG. Just look up any named Borg.) That doesn't change anything.
 
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Maybe my favorite hard sci-fi exploration of colony ships and why they kinda suck with realistic technology. Great depiction of a kick ass ship’s computer. Page turner.

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A classic. Old school adventure sci-fi feel exploring a wild megastructure in Niven’s well fleshed out universe. It’s a series, and the second book is prolly the highlight, but I like them all.

I’ll second votes for Dune, I, Robot and Rama, too, and Clark’s whole Space Odyssey series is worth reading. Check out some Ray Bradbury short stories, too, some fun stuff there.

Fantasy I’m clueless about, but I remember really enjoying The Blue Sword. Anybody read that?
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Can't help with Fantasy, even though it's what I grew up with. Wait, go Discworld. Last Rites and The Wee Free Men are my choice cuts. Everybody loves Good Omens with Gaiman, but it's just hype,


For sci-fi, The Foundation Trilogy is excellent, but
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This is one of the greatest pieces of writing ever.
 

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