Do you think it's controversial/acceptable if someone decides not to spend any kind of money on games anymore?

[PrismRed]

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Gal Gun plays better with a Shinden Light Gun on PC. I wouldnt play Gal Gun on console

It's jankier on Vita, and jank is my jam.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

It's jankier on Vita, and jank is my jam.

You are crazy to play console games on Vita, then again i played Max Payne on the GBA. I guess we are all unhinged

 

[KaiserMk7]

Well, a good chunk of us would sure as hell rather emulate than interact with the resale/collector's market and keep all of our consoles set up at once.

 

[zacharinolongpants]

I think most people here have enjoyed the repo, so there would be a tinge of hypocrisy to say one should always pay no matter what lol. However, I think that if something is giving you joy and somebody put their resources and time into it, that should be honored with compensation so they have the means to keep making that happen. If these game devs stop making any money, we won't have new games because the programmers would have to get jobs bug fixing point of sale systems for like, some shitty mall clothing store or something lol.

That being said, I understand boycotting the major companies right now as they're creating an exploitive, horrible economic environment and culture that I don't think anybody really agrees with or wants to take part in.

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

You should support what you can with money. The number of times people get upset because a game they loved won't get a sequel, or a series they love is changing directions to be more mainstream.... but if asked if they bought the game themselves, they say 'no'.

Like it or not, piracy is effectively stealing if the game is still available from the original seller. You can dress it up any way you want (as many people here will) but you aren't paying for something that was sold as a product. There are arguably situations that make that stealing 'morally acceptable', like games for 30 year old systems that you can only really buy 2nd hand from scalpers now, but modern games? It is stealing and it is hurting the company (and by extension, the industry) no matter how you dress it up.

I pirate, even some modern games, and buy them if I like them (generally on sale), but it's still a 'wrong' and very short sighted/selfish thing to do.

Edit: It's super strange to me how people feel 'entitled' to art in a way they don't with anything else. You aren't 'owed' the opportunity to play a rare NES game without paying for it, or watching old film footage for free that only exists in museums. Yet we all treat it as if we are. Personally I feel that preservation is a good thing and obviously I enjoy being able to play all of these old games for free, but it is a very interesting phenomenon that people can't seem to just admit, "Hey, what I'm doing may be wrong.' and instead try to jump through hoops to not only rationalize it, but act as if they are owed it. These companies and game devs don't owe you anything unless a transation has occured: I.E. you give them money for a product, you gain access to said product.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

You should support what you can with money. The number of times people get upset because a game they loved won't get a sequel, or a series they love is changing directions to be more mainstream....

But i paid for Dead Space 1 and 2 and I got garbage like Dead Space 3. Same could be said about Lost Planet 3, Dino Crisis 3, Battlefield V, Uncharted 3, Legend of Zelda BotW and many more.

 

[Bakuma1997]

I can't answer, so i asked Funky Kong

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

But i paid for Dead Space 1 and 2 and I got garbage like Dead Space 3. Same could be said about Lost Planet 3, Dino Crisis 3, Battlefield V, Uncharted 3, Legend of Zelda BotW and many more.

So...? You are never guaranteed to like something. The fact that bad sequels exist doesn't counter the argument that putting up money for something shows that you are interested in said thing and would (presumably) like to see more of it or something like it. Your rebuttal means absolutely nothing in the context of what I said.

'Because something COULD be bad, or I may not get the sequel I want, I shouldn't have to pay for it' is the absolute epitome of being entitled.

 

[zacharinolongpants]

But i paid for Dead Space 1 and 2 and I got garbage like Dead Space 3. Same could be said about Lost Planet 3, Dino Crisis 3, Battlefield V, Uncharted 3, Legend of Zelda BotW and many more.

You paid for Dead Space 1 and got Dead Space 2. Same can be said about Lost Planet and Dino Crisis. Then they made a third one and now you know to stop buying them hahahaha.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

You paid for Dead Space 1 and got Dead Space 2. Same can be said about Lost Planet and Dino Crisis. Then they made a third one and now you know to stop buying them hahahaha.

No I paid for those 2 and then the dots started connecting that a third game for whatever reason is shit. Lesson of life i guess.

 

[zacharinolongpants]

No I paid for those 2 and then the dots started connecting that a third game for whatever reason is shit. Lesson of life i guess.

That's the other end of the coin that I hate. Often once a fan base supports a company and it gets big, it starts trying to figure out how to rip off its fans or maximize profits and quality is comprised. It's a tough thing to reconcile and it's easy to become cynical.

 

[qw90700]

Like it or not, piracy is effectively stealing if the game is still available from the original seller. You can dress it up any way you want (as many people here will) but you aren't paying for something that was sold as a product. There are arguably situations that make that stealing 'morally acceptable', like games for 30 year old systems that you can only really buy 2nd hand from scalpers now, but modern games? It is stealing and it is hurting the company (and by extension, the industry) no matter how you dress it up.

I really don't care about sense of morality of this topic and I won't deny it's pretty much stealing, however I do buy games that I know I'll like or just wanna support the developers but on the other hand if I pirated a game it means I have no idea about the game enough to decide to buy it or not which only way for me to make an useful decision is playing the game. By pirating the game I can decide if I would wanna buy the game or not. If I decide I wouldn't buy the game the company from the start loses nothing because it means I wouldn't buy the game anyway.

No denying piracy make companies lose sell but also piracy helps them to earn money. Considering how taxes and bank transaction fees prevent you from "full refund" + can't always decide if the game is good for you before 2 hours refund limit sometimes customers' best decision is pirating the game.

This is where Game Pass came in. It's useless when you don't always play games or from the start you would prefer to "own" the game but at least it's a "decent piracy measurement" way better than DRM, Denuvo and whatnot BS.

Another thing is sometimes I dislike the company but like one particular game, then I glady steal it and never pay anything to the company lolol.

Edit: Gotta say until games tied to online stuff like Steam we pretty well tested games without pirating because physical games allowed us to give the game to each other so they can test it. But we either sold the game to people, traded the game with another game, rented the game for a while or giveaway it. Even in the shop I bought games a lot had a policy to allow you to test playing the games. It was just when system forced a way for "can't play without buying" due to forced online BS after internet popularity it was when piracy exploded more.

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

I really don't care about sense of morality of this topic and I won't deny it's pretty much stealing, however I do buy games that I know I'll like or just wanna support the developers but on the other hand if I pirated a game it means I have no idea about the game enough to decide to buy it or not which only way for me to make an useful decision is playing the game. By pirating the game I can decide if I would wanna buy the game or not. If I decide I wouldn't buy the game the company from the start loses nothing because it means I wouldn't buy the game anyway.

No denying piracy make companies lose sell but also piracy helps them to earn money. Considering how taxes and bank transaction fees prevent you from "full refund" + can't always decide if the game is good for you before 2 hours refund limit sometimes customers' best decision is pirating the game.

This is where Game Pass came in. It's useless when you don't always play games or from the start you would prefer to "own" the game but at least it's a "decent piracy measurement" way better than DRM, Denuvo and whatnot BS.

Another thing is sometimes I dislike the company but like one particular game, then I glady steal it and never pay anything to the company lolol.

Edit: Gotta say until games tied to online stuff like Steam we pretty well tested games without pirating because physical games allowed us to give the game to each other so they can test it. But we either sold the game to people, traded the game with another game, rented the game for a while or giveaway it. Even in the shop I bought games a lot had a policy to allow you to test playing the games. It was just when system forced a way for "can't play without buying" due to forced online BS after internet popularity it was when piracy exploded more.

This is..... half a b.s. excuse imo. Full video playthroughs of games become available almost immediately for almost every major release. Demos often exist. Game sharing on steam is a thing. There are other ways to get the information on whether or not you will like a game without pirating it most of the time.

When you go out to eat at a restaraunt you have no way of knowing if the food will be good until you've eaten it, and at that point if you refuse to pay you are still stealing. If you go to see a movie at a theater it is the same thing, you pay, not knowing if you will like it or not, but in both those cases (beyond online reviews or a movie trailer) there is ZERO way to know if something will be good or not. Games actually afford you MORE opportunities to tell if you will like them or not before purchasing than those other options.

Gamepass, as you mentioned, is another great alternative.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

This is..... half a b.s. excuse imo. Full video playthroughs of games become available almost immediately for almost every major release. Demos often exist. Game sharing on steam is a thing. There are other ways to get the information on whether or not you will like a game without pirating it most of the time.

Gamepass, as you mentioned, is another great alternative.

dont care will pirate, call Satan and tell him to keep the seat warm for me

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

dont care will pirate, call Satan and tell him to keep the seat warm for me
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Exactly the attitude I'd come to expect from most people. 'I want, what I want, when I want it. I will try to rationalize it, but when my arguments immediately fall apart I will just do what I want anyway." At least you are being honest at this point, which I respect far more than everyone trying to dress it up as something virtuous.

 

[fake-kun]

Exactly the attitude I'd come to expect from most people. 'I want, what I want, when I want it. I will try to rationalize it, but when my arguments immediately fall apart I will just do what I want anyway." At least you are being honest at this point, which I respect far more than everyone trying to dress it up as something virtuous.

Imagine moralizing about the evils of piracy on a piracy website.

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

Imagine moralizing about the evils of piracy on a piracy website.

Imagine being so up one's own ass that they can't admit when something they are doing is wrong. xD It's what the topic is about and I gave my opinion. I think it is wrong but still do it *shruggs*. I'm just willing to admit that it doesn't make me a 'champion of the people!' or a 'hero' just because 'ooooh that big company made me mad once and now I'm not gonna pay 'em! But I'm still somehow entitled to playing everything they release because I'm so awesome!'

I also believe in separating art from the artist. If I like something and have the means to pay for it I should, even if I don't agree with someone's politics or opinions. If something is good, it deserves compensation, simple as. Anything else is just jumping through hoops to get what you want for free while rationalizing the reason.

I think it is relatively victimless to download a rom of a 30 year old game, still doesn't make me entitled to it. Multple things can be true at once.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

'I want, what I want, when I want it.

Im a bad influence, what can I say?

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

Im a bad influence, what can I say?
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Wanted to put a laught emoji.. but was worried it would come off as condescending... soooo I found this genuinely funny xD

 

[Jayonnaise6105]

In all seriousness, this is something that we should think about.

I collect physicals, I've went to great lengths to get physical games (looking at you my $250 after shipping and tax GalGun Double Peace). Personally I back up games on PC if it's only available digitally, I'm still looking for a way to store these files more efficiently beside just storing them in one huge drive, but it is better than nothing, I'll settle with that for now.

I don't think I paid that much getting the whole GalGun franchise! I can't really talk though *looks at collection of Dragon Quest games on DS

For me is clear, if I like the game I buy it physical. If it is released digital only in my region I search for it in any region that is released physical, regardless of its language and get it. After that, I download it in my region for free, because I already gave my support to the company, and my max priority is to get a physical thing.

When the game is released digital only no matter the region because developer does not give a damn about people? I don't give a damn about them and I download the game anyways for playing if it's a game I was excited about. Sometimes it happened that after some time, the game got a physical release by some low cost publisher, in such cases I buy it, even if it gets physical 1 or 2 years after.

I love the Yakuza franchise, but I waited to import the Chinese/English physical version of The Man Who Erased His Name once I realised it would only be released digitally in my country.

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

Doing something you think is bad while preaching how bad it is makes you a hypocrite and invalidates whatever point you had.

No it doesn't. It makes me self aware. And it doesn't invalidate my point regardless. It doesn't matter who makes a point, if it is factual, it is still factual. It doesn't bother me that people pirate, I couldn't care less what other people do. It only bothers me when people act like it is somehow an honorable or good thing to do. At best it is morally neutral, at worst (and most realistic for games still being sold) you are actively hurting the industry you supposedly care about. Being aware of that and choosing to make the decision anyway is everyone's own perogative.

 

[qw90700]

This is..... half a b.s. excuse imo. Full video playthroughs of games become available almost immediately for almost every major release.

Can't get the feeling of how a game would play like without playing it, duuuh. It's not really about content or in general objective aspect of games.

For example can't understand how annoying it is to play Jet Set Radio by watching it so only by playing you can get angry enough to wanna throw the game out of the window which I'm glad I didn't buy it lol. So your logic is BS to me IMO lol.

Demos often exist.

I wrote sometimes 2 hours refund policy window is not enough so do you think demo would be enough too?

I don't trust demos because they only have small "good" aspect of the game. Sometimes gameplay is "ok" but not the game is about which buy the full game to learn how you wasted your money!!! lol

Game sharing on steam is a thing.

Yeah sure but who would do it unless they really love you, you kidnapped their family or paid them tons of money? lolol

Not every game is shared anyway but it's not an excuse to justify "implying" (if you do) that online system force is okay because no matter what it's not.

There are other ways to get the information on whether or not you will like a game without pirating it most of the time.

It's like "you thing". "My thing" is different lol. Naturally you are just small "difference" compared to huge ocean of gene pool that not many people have similar personality as much as other people considering how vast human population is now. Can't really talk like humans are same model of robot or something and your religion doesn't have to be useful to other peoples but you just because it works for you lol.

In the end it's just your BS "opinion" for your subjective justification that is not valid for everyone.

When you go out to eat at a restaraunt you have no way of knowing if the food will be good until you've eaten it, and at that point if you refuse to pay you are still stealing.

Really bad analogy lol.

Better analogy is buying a car. You may test drive it and see how it's like before buying it. Don't buy a car from anywhere you can't test the car. Even on 2nd hand market. This is like "that's the way it is".

If you go to see a movie at a theater it is the same thing, you pay, not knowing if you will like it or not

Then you understand that I don't pay to see a movie unless beforehand I pirated it to watch it and wanna see it on bigger screen with more blasting sound system and preferably with people. Arrrrrr lolol. I think you ignore the fact that how much pirate I'm who lacks sense of humor that indicates how "criminal" I'm without any care in the world. It's not that I never stole physical games, books, movies, toys, food, bike, et cetera.. so you may know what kind of person you imposing your sense of morality and subjectivity here so we can get into the same page lol.

there is ZERO way to know if something will be good or not

Then I won't buy it. Simple as that. I hate gamble and due to way I consider it a gamble I won't waste my money on gamble and that's exactly why I would steal it.

Gamepass, as you mentioned, is another great alternative.

Mhm. This is what I'm ok with only in the context of trying out lots of games because the money it asks is ok to waste for me. Then it kinda seem like playing games on arcade places lol.

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

'Two Hours not being enough' is just sort of... greediness imo. Either you are into the game after two hours, or you aren't.

All of your examples of 'not wanting to gamble' or 'pirating a movie before going to the theater' is flat out stealing. Factually. You can justify it to yourself morally, but it doesn't change what you are doing. That's not a difference in opinion, it is you making an excuse for something you know is wrong.

You are acting as if you are better than everyone else, that your money is more important than everyone else's is so you deserve to pirate something first. If everyone had your attitude, games, movies, art in general would essentially cease to exist at the level they currently do because they wouldn't have the funding. It's fine for you to accept that fact and do it anyway, but it makes you part of the problem, like or not.

As I said, I too pirate. I do the same thing you do where I pirate games I'm not sure about and then buy them later if I want them enough to own a copy, but that doesn't mean it isn't wrong xD

I'm also not 'imposing morality'. The question was asked in the topic and I'm sharing my opinion. I didn't open a topic just to preach or report this site to Nintendo for a takedown or something xD. I also, at no point told people to STOP pirating. I just like people to understand the realities of what they are doing. You yourself admitted that you are a pirate regardless of the consequences to the industry. You've made your decision. 'It benefits me so I don't care.' It is a selfish decision, one that I to take part in, as I to am selfish. People tend to get butthurt when it is pointed out to them that they are, in fact, being selfish. They want the rewards without facing the reality of the situation, and when they are faced with the reality, they can either get upset by it, or embrace it. As you yourself admitted, you are a criminal! We all are here. It is what it is.

 

[Bakuma1997]

*Me reading the comments trying to calculate the time before thread-locking*

 

[nobitakun]

I don't think I paid that much getting the whole GalGun franchise! I can't really talk though *looks at collection of Dragon Quest games on DS

I believe he got the Horny Trinity Edition, containing all 3 Gal Gun games for Switch. The edition is cool but it was only aimed for people who had the Nintendo console. I was tempted, but I already had them for PS4.

I love the Yakuza franchise, but I waited to import the Chinese/English physical version of The Man Who Erased His Name once I realised it would only be released digitally in my country.

Yeah...you just remembered me that's the only game I am missing in the franchise. In my case it's almost the norm, as I use to get the PS4 version of all games, and here in Europe we have some stupid conflict against PS4 and only PS5 physical copies arrive, so I have to buy the games imported anyways. I hope to be able to buy it before end of year :(