While emulation is great for more powerful consoles from 6th gen and up, for me personally, games on: Famicom to N64, SG1000 to Saturn, PC-Engine/CD, PlayStation 1, NeoGeo AES/MVS, NeoGeo Pocket/Color and WonderSwan/Color are done on the MiSTer FPGA. I have a MiSTer MultiSystem on my CRT TV and a traditionnel stack in an aluminum case on my QLED TV.
Other FPGA systems do exists such as The Analogue Pocket for people who are into handhelds as well as Analogue's other FPGA systems. So, are you using FPGA?
I am on the Analogue Pocket and since beating Mike Tyson on Punch Out on it, I'll never go back to software emulation. Nothing against it and I thank it for all it's done the past 30 years, but I was never able to beat him on any software emulation solution I personally tried. Only original hardware on a CRT and now the Pocket.
I am on the Analogue Pocket and since beating Mike Tyson on Punch Out on it, I'll never go back to software emulation. Nothing against it and I thank it for all it's done the past 30 years, but I was never able to beat him on any software emulation solution I personally tried. Only original hardware on a CRT and now the Pocket.
While I am tempted to get an Analogue Pocket, I know it's not powerful enough to run 5th gen consoles. As we speak, heber.co.uk are working on their own DE10-Nano (the guts of the MiSTer Project) clone to include in their next version of the MultiSystem. This means that they could very well be on their way in making their own FPGA handheld.
The MiSTer MultiSystem is the Cadillac. If you want something less expensive, well he sells them in batches, so you'll need to follow his Twitter account, but here: https://retroremake.co/
The MiSTer MultiSystem is the Cadillac. If you want something less expensive, well he sells them in batches, so you'll need to follow his Twitter account, but here: https://retroremake.co/
Absolutely *don't* put that kind of money in a scalper's pocket!!!
The *only* legit way to get a DE10 nano right now is from a reputible electronics supply house such as digikey or mouser. All you really need for MiSTer is the base board and a usb hub. An optional RAM module is highly recommended. (but those can be had for $50 and you can run many many many MiSTer cores without it!)
Intel jacked up the price a lot 2 years ago ($120 up to $230 or $240), and it is kind of a scam on their end. indie producers such as taki udon have proven that... the "mister pi" is $95 for the base board, and it is a slight upgrade from intel/alterra/terasic de10-nano.. but the sorry fomo situation is, that every time a batch is in stock, in sells out in minutes... then people turn around and sell them for double the money, anyway, it's pathetic.
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i also highly recommend the Sipeed Tang nano 20k. It doesn't have nearly the cores, but for 40 dollar bundle, you can play nes, snes, gb out of the box, and Sipeed supports FPGA gaming (unlike intel)
also, intel has introduced now the new Agilex 3 line, which looks like it will be a replacement for the Cyclone V line (the features set is nearly identical, but with AI and PCI express 3 x4 support).. DE10 nano is probably nearing end of life unless intel changes it's attitude toward FPGA gamers.
Absolutely *don't* put that kind of money in a scalper's pocket!!!
The *only* legit way to get a DE10 nano right now is from a reputible electronics supply house such as digikey or mouser. All you really need for MiSTer is the base board and a usb hub. An optional RAM module is highly recommended. (but those can be had for $50 and you can run many many many MiSTer cores without it!)
Intel jacked up the price a lot 2 years ago ($120 up to $230 or $240), and it is kind of a scam on their end. indie producers such as taki udon have proven that... the "mister pi" is $95 for the base board, and it is a slight upgrade from intel/alterra/terasic de10-nano.. but the sorry fomo situation is, that every time a batch is in stock, in sells out in minutes... then people turn around and sell them for double the money, anyway, it's pathetic.
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i also highly recommend the Sipeed Tang nano 20k. It doesn't have nearly the cores, but for 40 dollar bundle, you can play nes, snes, gb out of the box, and Sipeed supports FPGA gaming (unlike intel)
also, intel has introduced now the new Agilex 3 line, which looks like it will be a replacement for the Cyclone V line (the features set is nearly identical, but with AI and PCI express 3 x4 support).. DE10 nano is probably nearing end of life unless intel changes it's attitude toward FPGA gamers.
^^ yeah, i'm trying to get more people interested in it, because it's a pretty good platform. I should prolly stop being Tom Sawyer and start learning how to port cores over.
they also have a 60k pi hat model coming next month for $60-$70 (i think it still has it's own hdmi out too, so you can use it standalone). It will be able to run more stuff like megadrive and gba out of the box. (it should in theory be able to run ports of anything the analogue pocket can run).
There are also MSX, Amiga, and Atari ST cores out there, and i've seen Pac-man and tetris, but i haven't tried those yet.
The various cores for sipeed tang are kind of scattered all over github randomly. I'm not sure if there is a central hub or repository, but i've been collecting bookmarks for every project i can find.
@newageretrohippie
Yeah, scalpers are a pain, but I was able to get a MiSTer Pie easily in the 1st batch. Just make sure you account and shipping address are prepared and saved on the website is advance. The only issue I had with the entire thing is the fact that DHL sucks balls and can't keep up with their promised delivery hours if their lives depended on it.
@newageretrohippie
Yeah, scalpers are a pain, but I was able to get a MiSTer Pie easily in the 1st batch. Just make sure you account and shipping address are prepared and saved on the website is advance. The only issue I had with the entire thing is the fact that DHL sucks balls and can't keep up with their promised delivery hours if their lives depended on it.
yeah, taki is awesome... i had my info presaved, but there was a problem with verifying my card, and that was it.
Isn't it just crazy tho? he is able to independently produce a board that is practically identical to the DE10 nano, but can sell it for $95 instead of $230-240 which is evidently the new list price... and i'm assuming he was able to make a profit... he even hired a couple of folks to help him, i believe.
like, i know intel has had some financial issues in the past couple of years.. but this is ridiculous! It is 10 year old hardware, at this point. I had to RMA a DE10-nano due to a faulty hdmi port one time, and the first question they asked me was, "did you use it with MiSTer?"
yeah, taki is awesome... i had my info presaved, but there was a problem with verifying my card, and that was it.
Isn't it just crazy tho? he is able to independently produce a board that is practically identical to the DE10 nano, but can sell it for $95 instead of $230-240 which is evidently the new list price... and i'm assuming he was able to make a profit... he even hired a couple of folks to help him, i believe.
like, i know intel has had some financial issues in the past couple of years.. but this is ridiculous! It is 10 year old hardware, at this point. I had to RMA a DE10-nano due to a faulty hdmi port one time, and the first question they asked me was, "did you use it with MiSTer?"
yeah, taki is awesome... i had my info presaved, but there was a problem with verifying my card, and that was it.
Isn't it just crazy tho? he is able to independently produce a board that is practically identical to the DE10 nano, but can sell it for $95 instead of $230-240 which is evidently the new list price... and i'm assuming he was able to make a profit... he even hired a couple of folks to help him, i believe.
like, i know intel has had some financial issues in the past couple of years.. but this is ridiculous! It is 10 year old hardware, at this point. I had to RMA a DE10-nano due to a faulty hdmi port one time, and the first question they asked me was, "did you use it with MiSTer?"
It's one of the reasons why i distrust openly traded companies, they put profit above all else including sanity, the problem with this is profits are finite but investors want that number to go up forever.
It's one of the reasons why i distrust openly traded companies, they put profit above all else including sanity, the problem with this is profits are finite but investors want that number to go up forever.
Yeah, its weird for intel right now tho... to say they have had a bad couple of years is an understatement..
i think they just dont understand how the fpga market is changing.. it was a game they just bought into in the past decade...
traditionally, fpgas were used to:
a) teach logic design to college students (which was the purpose of de10 nano used in the mister)
b) specific industrial applications which require precise timing and tons of parallel i/o (things like digital signage or pro audio equipment), or
c) in the design of a vlsi/asic--so basically you design an asic for a very specific application at low clock speeds using an fpga, and then you "bake" the finshed design to the finished asic which can run at ghz speeds and be inexpensive to manufacture in bulk. (NES system-on-a-chip or bitcoin miners are well known examples)
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but then tons of people started gaming directly on fpga sample boards over the past 5 years, and intel just hasnt embraced this new market at all...
if they lowered the price of the de10 nano to 100 dollars, they would sell 10s of thousands of units... they just dont get it
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i gotta say they DO seem to be on the right track with their newest arc gpu line right now... it looks like the return of the mid tier sub-$250 gpu, which is awesome
(especially in light of the rumored nvidia 5080 and 5090 prices which are just absurd)
They've been just a tad bit more expensive than I would like as long as I've been aware and interested in the project, but I did grab myself one of the clones now that they've gone down to around $100-200 for a full system. Haven't regretted that purchase yet to be honest. It's been my go-to for retro games since I got it.
It's probably just not something ultimately worth focusing to. I'm sure a couple thousand happy retro gamers would be a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things for a company as big as intel.
It's probably just not something ultimately worth focusing to. I'm sure a couple thousand happy retro gamers would be a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things for a company as big as intel.
As i said before in this thread i believe, FPGA's have more use in industrial situations, remember emulation is still a niche, with fpga's being a niche within a niche, intel raised the price because the customers the de10 is focused on would pay it.
As i said before in this thread i believe, FPGA's have more use in industrial situations, remember emulation is still a niche, with fpga's being a niche within a niche, intel raised the price because the customers the de10 is focused on would pay it.
The de10 nano is aimed squarely at the computer engineering student market... (for a while after the first price hike there was a discount with a student id)...
it seems like to me, there would be a lot of crossover between ce students and games console enthusiasts. i just think that intel maybe dont see it as a legitimate use case (possibly even consider it to be a borderline illicit use case)
at the same time, i think intel surprised everyone with arc battlemage... so i guess they *do* care about gamers afterall... at least "legitimate" gamers
it will be interesting to see what they do with the new so-called "de25" (agilex 5) series of boards...
i imagine whenever they release a "de 25 nano" that will be the end of the de 10 nano lifecycle... hopefully they will hit a 150 dollar price point, which would be very competitive...
While emulation is great for more powerful consoles from 6th gen and up, for me personally, games on: Famicom to N64, SG1000 to Saturn, PC-Engine/CD, PlayStation 1, NeoGeo AES/MVS, NeoGeo Pocket/Color and WonderSwan/Color are done on the MiSTer FPGA. I have a MiSTer MultiSystem on my CRT TV and a traditionnel stack in an aluminum case on my QLED TV.
Other FPGA systems do exists such as The Analogue Pocket for people who are into handhelds as well as Analogue's other FPGA systems. So, are you using FPGA?
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