Did we just time travel to the 90s? I've really missed this version of Sega.

[UnDubious]

An ad not being for someone has zero to do with their ability to understand it, but that's a great leap you're making there. Not at all what I said.

I wrote "understand" and "appreciate". And obviously even just understanding it alone has something to do with being able to enjoy it, since most people will not like something they don't get at all.

If that's not what you're saying, then what are you saying? All these posts and you haven't clarified your take at all. I'm saying I believe an ad like this, that directly calls out a rival product, can very well work with audiences today. and not just appeal to older nostalgics. You seem to be saying it can't. Why?

 

[bjork]

I wrote "understand" and "appreciate". And obviously even just understanding it alone has something to do with being able to enjoy it, since most people will not like something they don't get at all.

If that's not what you're saying, then what are you saying? All these posts and you haven't clarified your take at all.

I'd love to see it. They just aren't going to appeal to kids with their dad's old commercials, new players deserve new ads that cater to their sensibilities and habits.

^ I don't know any other way to make it any more simple than that for you. You can choose to disagree with it, but don't act like I'm being purposely cryptic.

 

[UnDubious]

^ I don't know any other way to make it any more simple than that for you. You can choose to disagree with it, but don't act like I'm being purposely cryptic.

When I adressed that exact point you said I was putting words in your mouth. If you're not being purposely cryptic you're being incoherent.

 

[bjork]

When I adressed that exact point you said I was putting words in your mouth. If you're not being purposely cryptic you're being incoherent.

uhhh

As if today's kids somehow wouldn't understand or appreciate an antagonistic ad. It stands out and feels like a dig at Nintendo at a time where they're pissing people off, it could definitely get people talking if enough people see it.

^ this is what you said, implying that I said kids wouldn't understand it, which is not what I said. It was pretty clear that I think rehashing an old ad isn't some slam dunk ad. I don't know what else you want me to say, it cannot be made any more clear than that.

 

[petran79]

not have hardware

poor isao okawa, he did more than anyone could've ever asked of a guy

in retrospect, Sega were 30 years ahead.
While Sony were on courts with Bleem and Connectix and Nintendo chased UltraHLE, they released their titles on computers already from the 80s and in the 90s were they even partnered with Nvidia to release their Saturn titles on Windows.
Even 3DO had an accelerator card for Windows.

 

[Deleted member 560402]

in retrospect, Sega were 30 years ahead.
While Sony were on courts with Bleem and Connectix and Nintendo chased UltraHLE, they released their titles on computers already from the 80s and in the 90s were they even partnered with Nvidia to release their Saturn titles on Windows.
Even 3DO had an accelerator card for Windows.

Fun fact, Goldeneye was made using a Saturn controller because Nintendo wouldn't let Rare see the N64 controller. It was originally planned to be a rail shooter like Virtua Cop too!

 

[nathman]

A "SEGA Does What Nintendo'nt" Style Ad Has Dropped For Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds

Reignite the '90s era beef of yesteryear

www.well-played.com.au

 

[Deleted member 560402]

broccoli haired dude sounds like Towlie from South Park. lol

 

[Turbo Kid]

Sega could have a field day taking shots at Nintendo if they entered into the market with a new console right now. I'm not stupid, I know that's not happening, but it would be awesome if it did.

"Buy the console that actually sells you real games, or you can enjoy paying for an empty piece of plastic in a box"

"Enjoy Blazing fast, 60 fps gameplay in high resolution with no compromise...or enjoy watching a stuttering gorilla in some other game"

"Dreamcast 2. It's still thinking. SEGA!!!!"

Hell, I even miss when SONY had balls

 

[bjork]

Sega could have a field day taking shots at Nintendo if they entered into the market with a new console right now. I'm not stupid, I know that's not happening, but it would be awesome if it did.

A good sign of being number one, or having the intention of being at some point, is that you don't need to mention number two.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

Indeed.

I really miss the version of SEGA that could stand up to Nintendo by providing the "edgy" alternative, whilst keeping it surprisingly below cringey levels (most of the time, anyway).

I think I gave up on both the second I was browsing a flea market some time during the Wii era and found a copy of a Mario and Sonic game (I think at the Olympics?). It felt like high treason.

 

[Deleted member 560402]

Indeed.

I really miss the version of SEGA that could stand up to Nintendo by providing the "edgy" alternative, whilst keeping it surprisingly below cringey levels (most of the time, anyway).

I think I gave up on both the second I was browsing a flea market some time during the Wii era and found a copy of a Mario and Sonic game (I think at the Olympics?). It fell like high treason.

Or when Sonic was in Brawl

 

[Turbo Kid]

A good sign of being number one, or having the intention of being at some point, is that you don't need to mention number two.

Except doing exactly that led to the Sega Genesis outselling the SNES for a time, something no one had ever done to Nintendo.

 

[bjork]

Except doing exactly that led to the Sega Genesis outselling the SNES for a time, something no one had ever done to Nintendo.

For a time. How'd that work out for them? Oh, right.

 

[Turbo Kid]

For a time. How'd that work out for them? Oh, right.

And Sega is still in the history books as one of the GOATs and the first company to actually dethrone Nintendo. I think that worked out for them pretty great actually. What are you in the history books for?

 

[bjork]

And Sega is still in the history books as one of the GOATs and the first company to actually dethrone Nintendo. I think that worked out for them pretty great actually. What are you in the history books for?

Neither because I don't cape for a corporation, that's just weird. There's a reason they stopped doing those sorts of ads.

 

[Turbo Kid]

Neither because I don't cape for a corporation, that's just weird. There's a reason they stopped doing those sorts of ads.

You're literally caping for a corporation in this thread and their first initial is N.

 

[bjork]

You're literally caping for a corporation in this thread and their first initial is N.

It's sad to know that's how you're reading what I'm saying. "This is a bad ad" isn't automatically endorsing the competition. Do better.

 

[RandomHajile]

I love Nintendo, don't get me wrong, but the new Mario Kart was not that fun to me. I play it online a little but with friends, but not single player. The not-so-subtle dig to the new MK game had me smiling. Yeah, I get it. Think I'll grab this on Steam. Should be fun.

 

[Turbo Kid]

It's sad to know that's how you're reading what I'm saying. "This is a bad ad" isn't automatically endorsing the competition. Do better.

Sure whatever

 

[bjork]

I just don't know how you'd infer what you were implying by what I've said here. I even said I'd love to see Sega come back, earlier in this same thread. That doesn't mean I'm going to fall all over myself every time they do something. It's not hard.

 

[UnDubious]

For a time. How'd that work out for them? Oh, right.

That had nothing to do with their marketing, though. The marketing worked great. Sega made all its great games in Japan and yet they always remained the underdog there on the console market, and only dominated in the arcades. In fact the only time they started selling decently in Japan was with the Saturn, and the Saturn was associated with the Segata Sanshiro ad campaign there, which is pretty aggressive (in a weirder, funnier Japanese way - it's literally the kids being beat up for not playing Sega, which you could never do now). They failed largely due to a certain recklessness in constantly releasing new hardware and pursuing new tech, which IMO probably came from their arcade roots, since arcade hardware changed often and always had to be cutting edge. Even a game like a Phantasy Star Online, which was popular and influential, probably required too much financial investment, because they wanted to push console online gaming first.

 

[bjork]

That had nothing to do with their marketing, though. The marketing worked great. Sega made all its great games in Japan and yet they always remained the underdog there on the console market, and only dominated in the arcades. In fact the only time they started selling decently in Japan was with the Saturn, and the Saturn was associated with the Segata Sanshiro ad campaign there, which is pretty aggressive (in a weirder, funnier Japanese way - it's literally the kids being beat up for not playing Sega, which you could never do now). They failed largely due to a certain recklessness in constantly releasing new hardware and pursuing new tech, which IMO probably came from their arcade roots, since arcade hardware changed often and always had to be cutting edge. Even a game like a Phantasy Star Online, which was popular and influential, probably required too much financial investment, because they wanted to push console online gaming first.

The marketing worked great at first, I'm not denying that. I'm saying they don't need it now. I get the whole 'smile at a nostalgic throwback' but when you mosaic out Mario Kart, it's just... I just don't like it. I'm not saying it's wrong for someone else to like it, it just doesn't work for me.

The rest I agree with, though I'd add that the struggles between SoJ and SoA didn't help things at all, and had a hand in that recklessness as far as releasing stuff too early. The 32X and the early Saturn launch really harmed their reputation in the US at least, though they did win back a lot of that with the Dreamcast being so good. It would be interesting to see a timeline where the 32x just didn't happen, the Saturn got more time to cook, and Bernie Stolar never happened.

 

[Deleted member 560402]

For a time. How'd that work out for them? Oh, right.

bad management with consoles and add ons screwed them, not the commercials. Different era now and now Nintendo is making the same mistakes now that Sega made back then. Nintendo's marketing sucks too. It's the same pandering voice in all the game trailers. Sega is bringing back ads that work. I'm all for it.

 

[bjork]

bad management with consoles and add ons screwed them, not the commercials. Different era now and now Nintendo is making the same mistakes now that Sega made back then. Nintendo's marketing sucks too. It's the same pandering voice in all the game trailers. Sega is bringing back ads that work. I'm all for it.

Where did I say ads screwed them? I never said that.