"Champions" of preservation GOG wont promote the STOP KILLING GAME campaign...

[ThePeon]

Priavte server and piracy helps preserve games we don´t need no fucking ass company to do it.
I may use GOG but they are a company like every one else full of shit and all they care about is profit margin.


Honestly if we wanna preserve games we need something non independent do to so. Take The Retro Collective a good independent youtuber in England that started his own museum to preserve old school PC and console games and even aracdes.

And we need a law saying if you as a company don´t care or abandon your games then you have zero right to complain if other tries to preserve it.

It should be like music if you have not touched the shit in 10-20 years the game becomes public domain. And if you run a mmo but shut down the server becuse it´s not making you billions then it become public domain and people can make private severs.

Im sick of company that sits on IP´s but never do jack shit with them. Companies need to learn with us consumers THEY ARE NOTHING but an idea with out our money they will file for bankruptcy and gamer´s need to learn on quit sucking company D. So please quit defending companies.

 

[Ikagura]

Priavte server and piracy helps preserve games we don´t need no fucking ass company to do it.

Private servers won't be always there and even some may change the game.

I may use GOG but they are a company like every one else full of shit and all they care about is profit margin.

Isn't making profit the primary goal of companies in general?

It should be like music if you have not touched the shit in 10-20 years the game becomes public domain. And if you run a mmo but shut down the server because it´s not making you billions then it become public domain and people can make private severs.

Isn't public domain X years after the author's death?

 

[ThePeon]

Private servers won't be always there and even some may change the game.


Isn't making profit the primary goal of companies in general?


Isn't public domain X years after the author's death?

True but private sever is the only shit that will keep it always when companies throw away the game like it´s a cum rag.

Profit is primary goal of every company ever hence why I say to preserve it we need nonprofit or at least independant way to preserve game that is not about making money but about preserving history.

Yeah but companies won´t die that easy Nintendo is still alive even if I wish they died 10 years ago. SO for games we need a rule puplic domain of your games if you not done jack shit with it for the past 10-20 years. My god Nintendo would die they got so many good IP´s they not touched sense snes days.

Also if the game become puplic domain Nintendo could not bitch about emulation of snes games they not touched or wanna touch yet they bitch about it ?

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

I think we can have a more nuanced view on GOG than simply demonizing them for not supporting a petition. They are doing preservation in their own way while also creating value for their company. They also work with the IP holders to bring these games to the public, which means it will be longer lasting than putting it on an abandonware site and hoping the IP holder forgets it exists.

"Pessimistic", "demonizing", "grudge". You guys sure are putting a lot of negative intent on a post I tried to keep factual.

While we still pretend they "support" the consumer initiative, not with a capital "S". Just with a tiny "s".

Can you maybe stop the newspeak for five sec and give actual counter-arguments so we all keep this topic informative?

Without the abandonware sites we wouldnt even have a GOG library to start with.

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

I agree that games should fall into the public domain, but this problem isn't exclusive to video games. Disney hoards their old movies as a dragon and pressures politicians into passing laws that protect their IP from falling into public domain. Same with other films and music. What about Tolkien's family profiting from the IP, despite having nothing to do with the creation of said properties?

 

[Ikagura]

True but private sever is the only shit that will keep it always when companies throw away the game like it´s a cum rag.

Please, could you watch your language a bit? I understand you being upset but it's not a reason to be vulgar nor using such terms, there are young people watching the forums.

Yeah but companies won´t die that easy Nintendo is still alive even if I wish they died 10 years ago. SO for games we need a rule puplic domain of your games if you not done jack shit with it for the past 10-20 years. My god Nintendo would die they got so many good IP´s they not touched sense snes days.

Also if the game become puplic domain Nintendo could not bitch about emulation of snes games they not touched or wanna touch yet they bitch about it ?

Why just Nintendo? They're not the only ones that left out IPs behind (Capcom hasn't made a new Lost Planet, Sega has several IPs still dormant and Sony as well).

Also even if the games aren't being used they're still licensed, that's why there are many third party retro games that never got any remakes yet is still piracy if you download them.

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

I agree that games should fall into the public domain, but this problem isn't exclusive to video games. Disney hoards their old movies as a dragon and pressures politicians into passing laws that protect their IP from falling into public domain. Same with other films and music. What about Tolkien's family profiting from the IP, despite having nothing to do with the creation of said properties?

What about companies having licensed portions of the human genome in the 2000s until public laboratories started the Human Genome project to publish DNA sequences to the public domain?

What about companies now using pirated material to feed their gen AIs?

We can start a lot of whatabouts. No one will disagree creators and their families should benefit from their creations and have a defined windows of profitability on their IP. In practice most often that's not the case and IP holders are not even related to creators.

In the medical domain patents on drugs are effective for 20 years. And that industry is still one of the most profitable.

 

[ThePeon]

Please, could you watch your language a bit? I understand you being upset but it's not a reason to be vulgar nor using such terms, there are young people watching the forums.


Why just Nintendo? They're not the only ones that left out IPs behind (Capcom hasn't made a new Lost Planet, Sega has several IPs still dormant and Sony as well).

Also even if the games aren't being used they're still licensed, that's why there are many third party retro games that never got any remakes yet is still piracy if you download them.

I mean all of them Nintendo is just a BIG example and the one that goes on witch hunts honestly you rarely even see Sony go on such a which hunt on Emulation. Take Capcom instead of being A-holes about it when the duded that remade RE2 in unreal 4. No instead of Capcom just shutting him down and do nothing they hired him and we got official RE2 remake.

But what did Nintendo do about remake of metriod 2 ? They shut it down and then gave us the trash of Metriod dread instead of a remake of Mestriod 2.

So no it´s not only about Nintendo but they are they biggest A-holes. They HATE game preservation more than any one.

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"In the medical domain patents on drugs are effective for 20 years. And that industry is still one of the most profitable."

Yeah it´s profitable because they can charge you out the whoha it´s like pay or die.
Game companies could charge you 400 bucks a game if it was life or death and people would pay not to die.
The Drugs industry is the worlds biggest leagalized crime syndicate where you profit of humans lives it self.

As I always said money is more important than human life. Honestly humanity is a mistake.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

I think we can have a more nuanced view on GOG than simply demonizing them for not supporting a petition. They are doing preservation in their own way while also creating value for their company. They also work with the IP holders to bring these games to the public, which means it will be longer lasting than putting it on an abandonware site and hoping the IP holder forgets it exists.

There's also some work done to the games they sell in order to ensure that they'd work properly on newer systems AND they sometimes work with the developers to come up with long overdue bug fixes.

But that's a double-edged sword, too. I remember the rise of GOG forcing the manic, daily purge of huge Abandomware libraries created over a decade of passionate work when there simply was no alternative just to avoid legal trouble. It suddenly wasn't so fun being the webmasters of sites like Home Of The Underdogs or Ellos Nunca Lo Harían.

I guess it's the price we must pay...

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

There's also some work done to the games they sell in order to ensure that they'd work properly on newer systems AND they sometimes work with the developers to come up with long overdue bug fixes.

But that's a double-edged sword, too. I remember the rise of GOG forcing the manic, daily purge of huge Abandomware libraries created over a decade of passionate work when there simply was no alternative just to avoid legal trouble. It suddenly wasn't so fun being the webmasters of sites like Home Of The Underdogs or Ellos Nunca Lo Harían.

I guess it's the price we must pay...

Yeah, I haven't been involved in the abandonware scene so this is all news to me. On one hand I'm happy to support GOG's efforts to bring back classics at affordable prices, but I wasn't aware of the downside.

 

[garnavis]

Without the abandonware sites we wouldnt even have a GOG library to start with.

What do you mean by this?

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

There's also some work done to the games they sell in order to ensure that they'd work properly on newer systems AND they sometimes work with the developers to come up with long overdue bug fixes.

But that's a double-edged sword, too. I remember the rise of GOG forcing the manic, daily purge of huge Abandomware libraries created over a decade of passionate work when there simply was no alternative just to avoid legal trouble. It suddenly wasn't so fun being the webmasters of sites like Home Of The Underdogs or Ellos Nunca Lo Harían.

I guess it's the price we must pay...

Even for content in the public domain you'll have IP claims nowadays. Try to publish some gameplay for Loom and get flagged on Youtube about using "copyrighted" Tcheikowsky's Swan Lake. That 19th century song was already in the public domain decades before they used it in the game.

Between that and the patent scams killing independants I dont think it's all working as intended... XD

What do you mean by this?

I mean that GOG, like Steam and the rest is selling the same noCD cracked and patched versions than those you could find on Abandonware sites before they were removed. And that without those sites having so successfully preserved the games, there wouldn't even be such an interest for them now.

When GOG say they will make the games live "forever" what do you think they mean? The heat death of the universe? Or the next zombie apoclypse?

 

[garnavis]

I mean that GOG, like Steam and the rest is selling the same noCD cracked and patched versions than those you could find on Abandonware sites before they were removed.

Why do you think this?

And that without those sites having so successfully preserved the games, there wouldn't even be such an interest for them now.

Also, why do you think this?

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

Why do you think this?

Also, why do you think this?

Because of the many articles like this one where people can still find signatures and cracks in the code of games platforms are selling :

Rockstar sold pirated copies of its games on Steam, triggering anti-piracy measures

An extensive report from YouTuber Vadim M reveals that longstanding issues with the Steam edition of Manhunt are anti-piracy measures triggered by a third-party crack Rockstar used...

www.techspot.com

And because I *was* there to witness it. When abandonware sites started no one was interested with retrogaming, it was obsolete, people where dumping (literally in the dumps) their CD-Roms and there was no market anymore.

So now your turn... What does *FOREVER* TM exactly mean in that marketing blob?

 

[garnavis]

Because of the many articles like this one where people can still find signatures and cracks in the code of games platforms are selling :

Rockstar sold pirated copies of its games on Steam, triggering anti-piracy measures

An extensive report from YouTuber Vadim M reveals that longstanding issues with the Steam edition of Manhunt are anti-piracy measures triggered by a third-party crack Rockstar used...

www.techspot.com

This article is about Rockstar (the publisher) distributing cracked binaries. They were sold by Steam, but Rockstar was the one that provided those binaries. I wouldn't draw any broad conclusion about the storefront based on this.

And because I *was* there to witness it. When abandonware sites started no one was interested with retrogaming, it was obsolete, people where dumping (literally in the dumps) their CD-Roms and there was no market anymore.

Fair enough. I don't think that your personal experience is enough to support the kinds of sweeping statements you're making, though.

So now your turn... What does *FOREVER* TM exactly mean in that marketing blob?

I agree with what (I think) you're implying, which is that it's nothing but marketing nonsense and shouldn't be believed.

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

This article is about Rockstar (the publisher) distributing cracked binaries. They were sold by Steam, but Rockstar was the one that provided those binaries. I wouldn't draw any broad conclusion about the storefront based on this.

Fair enough. I don't think that your personal experience is enough to support the kinds of sweeping statements you're making, though.

I agree with what (I think) you're implying, which is that it's nothing but marketing nonsense and shouldn't be believed.

You might want to read the article in full, maybe.

"According to another developer, Ben Golus, multiple studios have admitted to using pirated versions of games for re-releases. Teams that port games to new platforms and storefronts don't often have access to the original materials or development staff. Many companies lack the space or procedures to maintain the final source code, which frequently becomes lost. In such situations, pirates have proven to be the most effective means of preservation."

Or just google about the subject a bit for yourself.

Going on the very GOG forums you'll find people having previously cracked or patched the games, totally unmentioned on the front page, not getting a dime from GOG but still willing to help with the bugs.