Anime Best year for Anime?

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That's a very tough question.

I'd say the most important year in Anime is 1986 I'm biased of course because I love Saint Seiya but there's so much more than that.

As early as the late 60s some manga like Kamui Gaiden or Sabu & Ichi were pretty mature but even if you bypass the frames per second you still get the feeling those are somewhat in a space in between Seinen and Shounen, not quite childish like the Shounen of the era yet not as complex as to fully part from them as many Shounen such as Speed Racer and Kimba also had some pretty dark undertones at times like substance addiction or famine, etc.

A decade later circa 1977-79 we get an explosion of not only Anime but Tokusatsu and I've always say the death of Sir Kay in the grand daddy of Saint Seiya ''Entaku No Kishi Monogatari Moero Asa'' (1979), is one of the most emblematic moments of my early childhood. That was of course not a coincidence as we've had very mature series during that decade such as Gatchaman and of course Gundam and I feel that even if not in action and pacing at least in sensibility they've managed to strike the perfect core tempered ballance shounen protagonists until the early 2000s. That was also the year in which The Rose of Versailes was made which proved just how much grace and beauty the female counterpart of the shounen male hero could radiate.

Then came the big year of 1982, Macross America and the world like a storm via Robotech and we all whitnessed just how far ahead in animation the Japanese really were. All of a sudden people were craving for space operas with mechas and even without graphic novels litearary novelizations became popular. Now while Gundam was huge in Japan, I've heard the mecha craze started with toy mecha such as 70s Cho-gokin or Tonka's GoBots a year later but IMHO the Macross section of Robotech had as much to with it.

Fast forward to 1984 Voltron which proved that what happened with Robotech wasn't a fluke and you get first wave of high value American cartoons made in Japan. This was a common practice elsewhere in the world like Spain, France and Germany had entire anime series made for them back then and going all the way back into the 1960s, but because of how agressive the American market was and how well polished their products were this was the time in which Japanese made American cartoons became a dime a dozen. By 1986 Japanese stuidios would be hired to animate Transformers the movie.

By 1985 you get Orobts, Thundercats, and of course a little movie called Megazone 23 which was used as part of the hybrid that was the Robotech movie in 1986. Oh and you get a little movie called ''Nausicaa And the Valley of the Wind'' in 1984 by would be Studio Ghibly which sadly was bastardized as Warriors of the Wind six months later. Movies like Nausicaa, Angel's Egg, Vampire Hunter D had proven to be massively successful in Japan and VHS was gaining ground as well so Japan made so many this from year on OVAs became a cultural landmark of Japanese animation.

Then came the Japanese Bubble 1986 and that was the year when the well oiled machine kept escalating production until it took over the world. Most American cartoons were made in Japan which brought revenue boosting the quality of Anime and not only that but even the American adaptations of Japanese properties were becoming popular, again OVA's were in full swing, the refferences of happy campy parade songs were all but gone now in Shounen anime and the Japanese Power Rock we still asociate with Shounen to this day was melting the faces of Japanaese kids left and right, a trend that was started in 1981 was boosted movies like Godzilla or the Robocop inspired Metal Hero shows and paved the wave for a very futuristic Japanese aesthetic that not only was prised world wide but incited consumerism amongst Japanese people which aided by the bubble sparked sells of Anime merchandize like never before, just as Robotech had proven early G-Force cemented the idea that there was a market for unfiltered Japanese propterties even if they were too violent and/or complex for children, and finally there's the shere volume of instant classics that were airing at the time is outstanding Kinnikuman, Captain Tsubasa, The Fist of the North Star, Silver Fang, Dragon Ball, City Hunter, Saint Seiya, and Jojo's Bizzarre Adventure. ALL OF THOSE were happening at the same time in Weekly Shounen Jump.

So to me the best year in Anime was 1986.

 

[Pearly]

I mean to be completely fair there was a lot "soft-porn elements" in anime from the 80's and 90's, in fact it could be argued that's where the whole fan-service trend even started. I agree about modern anime's over reliance on 3D and bloom and other lighting filters, I suppose at least with the 3D stuff that's more a symptom of the state of the actual industry more than anything. It's why I picked 2007 as my personal favorite year. It was past the awkward initial switch to more overly digital productions of the early 2000's and before the oversaturation of 3D. The whole late 2000's were something of a renaissance period for anime I feel. Felt like directors and animators were given a lot more freedom and were able to take more risks. I also really liked that this era gave us a lot of anime original series. i.e. shows not based on a manga or other existing property.

There was always nudity at the very least in anime, if not scenes of a sexual nature, even in minute ways such as in zeta gundam there's 1 maybe 2 scenes with nudity that are a few seconds.

OVA's in the 80's and 90's mopped the floor with any modern anime when it comes to scenes involving nudity or sex. Nothing has actually topped these with the exception of literal hentai.

Soft porn elements are in most adult aimed dramas in many countries around the world, and those that don't have that is usually related to religious notions of "morality".

Sex is the most normal and common part of life besides breathing air and eating food, so themes related to it are common in media. But it can always offend and upset some. Hence the notion that modern anime is worse in this way

 

[qw90700]

There was always nudity at the very least in anime, if not scenes of a sexual nature, even in minute ways such as in zeta gundam there's 1 maybe 2 scenes with nudity that are a few seconds.

OVA's in the 80's and 90's mopped the floor with any modern anime when it comes to scenes involving nudity or sex. Nothing has actually topped these with the exception of literal hentai.

Soft porn elements are in most adult aimed dramas in many countries around the world, and those that don't have that is usually related to religious notions of "morality".

Sex is the most normal and common part of life besides breathing air and eating food, so themes related to it are common in media. But it can always offend and upset some. Hence the notion that modern anime is worse in this way

"It always existed" ≠ "it's in most of anime in more intensity". Also no one talk about nudity, it's about they being soft-porn most of the time anymore that even animes for children having the same shit. We had a similar talk before so you already know my answer lol.

When anime had gore naturally it would have sexual stuff because it's already "adult thing" so "why not". But they even made One Piece turn into "dude I have no idea what kind of sexual fetish I should express with my character design this time" when I wouldn't take One Piece as what an adult would watch since it's pretty much anime for kids lol. Just for watch and sell more they turned the anime into a BS that women characters' breasts getting bigger and bigger each episode making it cringe porn shit. Naturally this is the way and many other porn shit all new animes suffers from that porn just became fundamental part of an anime compared to how it was before. And then characters are like "ugh I wish he just threw me to bed and do it" despite it's supposed to be racing anime lolol. And then character designs are "let's make a posture that's against laws of physics just to attract horny teens".

The difference is new generation people mentality that made porn normal they don't see it because to them it's like air. Opposite twisted mentality of it is valid too. They normalized porn so much when they see ancient nue statue artworks they think "wow artists were so pervert dude" for their brain cannot distinguish between "normal porn" and "just non-porn things" lol. Again, nudity nor "hot people" is not the topic here but how sexual themes are fundamental part of animes anymore for the intention of porn that is justified in the story so naive people can't see real life aspect of it nor they are not even explained so "here is the porn shit" lol.

Because people are so horny, to trigger "sexual urge" they need breast and butt size that's like a planet and there has to be a sex scene that shows the shit, or their sexual organ cannot even register as "sexual" which is part of why porn is insane these years.

Then let's talk about how "sex sell" idea was before and compare it to now. You would see there is "hell and heaven" difference that they made porn more obvious and intense and that's all.

Dragging the topic to "morality" or "religion" is nonsense. I would like to keep it to "insanity" and "cringe" instead thank you lol.

There are lots of shit wrong in newer animes, soft-porn is just one aspect that add to "unwatchable cringeness" especially because of obvious intent of perversion and they act like only pervert people watch anime, they don't care to make animes normal. Naturally no wonder anime is not actually thing that society think as "ok" so even teen Japanese native people does find it cringe so they don't watch it lol.

 

[X y b e r - S k u ll]

IDK if you are aware what kind of discussion you brute forced yourself into. We don't discuss about Eva, its deeper meanings, the character analysis of Shinji nor my opinion about the anime. You just machinegunned your assumption, dude. It makes your message not written to me but to the imaginary me that only exist in your reality. Your opinion naturally being projected as "you don't get it" because in deep down you actually don't get what kind of situation you are in. Either join the discussion by reading the initial post or just leave it. It's already started because of the other person being stubborn on a misunderstanding by putting words into my mouth that no one said lol.

Brother, no offense, but nearly every reply you've made in this thread you've mentioned Eva and specifically brought up that scene. Is it really that farfetched I'd provide a counterargument to a point you yourself brought up? (On your own terms might I add). I thought I made it clear as well I'm not trying to have a go at you or get a cheap dunk on you or try and start a fight, I just saw you saying things that I recognize are coming from a misinformed place and thus maybe get you to rethink what you're saying.

"It always existed" ≠ "it's in most of anime in more intensity". Also no one talk about nudity, it's about they being soft-porn most of the time anymore that even animes for children having the same shit. We had a similar talk before so you already know my answer lol.

When anime had gore naturally it would have sexual stuff because it's already "adult thing" so "why not". But they even made One Piece turn into "dude I have no idea what kind of sexual fetish I should express with my character design this time" when I wouldn't take One Piece as what an adult would watch since it's pretty much anime for kids lol. Just for watch and sell more they turned the anime into a BS that women characters' breasts getting bigger and bigger each episode making it cringe porn shit. Naturally this is the way and many other porn shit all new animes suffers from that porn just became fundamental part of an anime compared to how it was before. And then characters are like "ugh I wish he just threw me to bed and do it" despite it's supposed to be racing anime lolol. And then character designs are "let's make a posture that's against laws of physics just to attract horny teens".

The difference is new generation people mentality that made porn normal they don't see it because to them it's like air. Opposite twisted mentality of it is valid too. They normalized porn so much when they see ancient nue statue artworks they think "wow artists were so pervert dude" for their brain cannot distinguish between "normal porn" and "just non-porn things" lol. Again, nudity nor "hot people" is not the topic here but how sexual themes are fundamental part of animes anymore for the intention of porn that is justified in the story so naive people can't see real life aspect of it nor they are not even explained so "here is the porn shit" lol.

Because people are so horny, to trigger "sexual urge" they need breast and butt size that's like a planet and there has to be a sex scene that shows the shit, or their sexual organ cannot even register as "sexual" which is part of why porn is insane these years.

Then let's talk about how "sex sell" idea was before and compare it to now. You would see there is "hell and heaven" difference that they made porn more obvious and intense and that's all.

Dragging the topic to "morality" or "religion" is nonsense. I would like to keep it to "insanity" and "cringe" instead thank you lol.

There are lots of shit wrong in newer animes, soft-porn is just one aspect that add to "unwatchable cringeness" especially because of obvious intent of perversion and they act like only pervert people watch anime, they don't care to make animes normal. Naturally no wonder anime is not actually thing that society think as "ok" so even teen Japanese native people does find it cringe so they don't watch it lol.

See now I think it's a bit clear to me that you're someone who's quite uncomfortable with sexual themes in media, and again, that's not an attack on you, everyone's got their own preferences. I think you actually did touch on a good point here though in regards to porn being more normalized. I agree the last 10 years of porn being pushed into the "mainstream" HAS done more bad than good (Especially in this era where men's mental health is at an all time low and a lot of younger people don't have the healthiest coping mechanisms).

That said, I think you are overthinking it slightly in regards to fictional content. I think there's a world of difference between characters like Tsunade or Rangiku having massive tits as part of their designs to look appealing to the (Mostly) teenage male viewers vs. someone who spends like 10 hours a day in their room gooning to Alexis Texas or some shit. Despite what you may think, people are still very much able to separate fantasy from reality, no matter how neurotic a lot of younger people may appear to be on subjects like this.

 

[qw90700]

That said, I think you are overthinking it slightly in regards to fictional content. I think there's a world of difference between characters like Tsunade or Rangiku having massive tits as part of their designs to look appealing to the (Mostly) teenage male viewers vs. someone who spends like 10 hours a day in their room gooning to Alexis Texas or some shit. Despite what you may think, people are still very much able to separate fantasy from reality, no matter how neurotic a lot of younger people may appear to be on subjects like this.

Good point.

When I watch a movie I cannot judge the fiction in its own context, naturally I will personality and intention analyze of every people involved in making the movie. When I watch the movie I just don't see the character, I also see the actor. I do separate fiction from reality, sure, but I don't ignore reality as most do. No one can make me believe in "fictional justification" when real life intention is clear as sky that is the reason for why the fiction is in the way it's lol. If you can ignore how pervert they are and can justify it as "this character is pathetic so he would do something like that" then it's your personality that can ignore the reality, I cannot ignore reality. When I watch the same scene my brain automatically psychology analyze the creator and figure out what kind of life they have enough to have a decision for such a scene. This is not about the fiction and the character, naturally it's about how pervert the creator is. There were many ways to make an anime befitting even horny teens without making it sexual, but if companies go hard on it it only means they want to have their dream pervert world and for it they wanna brainwash society. So things are beyond "just making profit", people want a world they want and therefore those in power wanna shape the world into whatever they want. In that regard the actual issue of the newer animes not really "sexual stuff" but "too much brainwashing". Same shit as American media.

You can keep it simple and only focus on your POV about real lie, however I automatically go deep into the source. From my POV this is not overthinking, it's like how some people cannot understand the fact that someone is wearing a disguise but I just "simply" see beyond the disguise. This is not my "overthinking". I only "overthink" if I had tried to invent a time machine or something lol.

As for if "sexual stuff bothers me", not really. It depends. For example in my favorite manga women characters trying to use their sex appeal to seduce a guy but the guy doesn't cares. Sexual elements exist, women characters make their breasts bigger to seduce the guy but is it cringe? No. It's funny AF. That's what matters to me that stuff not being cringe. Newer animes are cringe to me in general so it's not really about sexual stuff. The way that they try to attract new generation kiddoes making newer animes more cringe than usual. I always thought animes are cringe that some are "more tolerable". I only watched like few animes that are "ok", rest are cringe-fest. But can't say "I dislike animes" because there are animes I like. However newer animes are more intense in cringe BS lol.

What I dislike the most is new-wave popularity of desperate ways to attract a "majority" that's a false target audience that actually doesn't exist really. They think everyone is like some insane people lives on Twitter because they research social media and this is the people they find while most normal people doesn't use Twitter and whatnot rubbish places. It causes a wrong sense of "target audience". As a result they fill animes with BS that society normalized. "Oh this character look for any excuse to undress, ha ha that's how animes always were". But what matters is realizing how cringe that shit is. Anime having good deep complex story and then ruined with 10 minutes of bathing scene of fan service. Then what kind of people who is beyond primitive shit who would be interested in that anime would continue watching that cringe ass anime? Then when they cannot make sell they are like "oh no where we have failed!!!" lolol.

At least the newest generation kiddos starting to have "anti-pervert" culture that they hate whatever is "groomer" so I believe the latest generation may fix the fundamental issues animes have so we can finally watch an anime without being cringed lol, otherwise they all will go hentai BS and call it a day. "Who cares about what Luffy wants? Let's watch him fuck random big breasts rabbit woman 10 KM away with Gomu Gomu no Long Dick!!!" lolol.