Artifact Titles and/or Non-indicative names and video games that perplexes you, but you can't look away or embrace them for it.

[BrawlMan]

In a video game franchise called Street Fighter, a majority of the characters don't have street fighting as their actual fighting style, only use very small bits of it, nor do the majority of fights take place on streets. III and VI especially mostly fix this. Especially if you are in world tour mode for VI. They both definitely carry the urban tone and street aspects of Street Fighter. Yet, I can't help but love it, and embrace it all.

 

[random0nonsense]

Dragon Quest. Outside of the first game your mission is never to bring down a dragon.

 

[WokiBakoki]

Sleeping Dogs. There are no sleeping dogs, only angry Chinese men. Although the actual reasoning behind the title ("Let sleeping dogs lie", don't mess with stuff that doesn't include you) is pretty cool and fitting. Most N64 games... What happened to the 63 others before it? That's a lot of plot to miss out on.

Uhm, Rayman? I mean he's not a man, and what's so Ray about him? Globox does not glow, nor is he a box! Rayman implies there's a Raywoman. How do Ray's mate without the parts to do so? Would a young Rayman be a Rayboy? How old is Rayman? Does he find those sexy Nymphs hot? If so, why? He isn't human, is he just into animals? Would a Raywoman lay eggs or give birth? Where is the baby stored? Is Rayman the first of his kind, last or both? How far apart can his hands and feet go before they're considered detached or amputated? Is it like bluetooth? Is Rayman... The Jesus of that universe? How does he floss...?

 

[Vreeves]

Risk of Rain has no rainy stages, except on the moon for some reason.

 

[SamanthaSamantha's icon]

Final Fantasy... It just isn't the final fantasy. Like, ever.

 

[Princess Viola]

There is no arena in The Elder Scrolls: Arena.

 

[BrawlMan]

Final Fantasy... It just isn't the final fantasy. Like, ever.

Four other Final Fight games came out after the original, even though it was never Haggar's final fight. Streetwise is considered non canon.

Undercover Cops, the three main characters are not cops and they are not undercover either. I guess City Sweepers didn't have the same ring to it.

 

[SamanthaSamantha's icon]

The Last Of Us featured like 700 people XD

 

[Bakuma1997]

*Boots Half-life*

*Looks inside*

*Life at 100%*

 

[_Axl]

For a game called Bust-a-move, I don't see the Bubble Bobble dragons busting any moves smh

 

[SamanthaSamantha's icon]

There are no actual lemmings on Lemmings.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Most of the Legend of Zelda games actually have little-to-nothing to do with princess Zelda, herself..

Depending on the game, the story more-so revolves around Link, the Tri-Force, and (usually) Ganon(dorf)..

 

[jankusanagi jankusanagi]

The Last Of Us featured like 700 people XD

Well, I mean... 700 out of almost 8 billion, can fairly be described as "the last of us"

 

[Ikagura]

Most of the Legend of Zelda games actually have little-to-nothing to do with princess Zelda, herself..

Depending on the game, the story more-so revolves around Link, the Tri-Force, and (usually) Ganon(dorf)..

It can also be seen as a retelling of the same legend even if it's not all about Zelda all the time.

Triforce Heroes is almost the anomaly in the timeline but then again Link's Awakening didn't have Zelda per se (although Marin may have been reminiscent of her like how Link confused both).

Most games are still about the Triforce so indirectly Zelda is still very involved for incarnating the Wisdom part of it.


An artifact title I like is the Ys series because outside of the first two (and Origin for being a prequel) there's no involvement of the eponymous island (although the civilisation that made Ys prosperous for centuries had several games referencing them so it's indirectly involved in some of them).

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

It can also be seen as a retelling of the same legend even if it's not all about Zelda all the time.

Triforce Heroes is almost the anomaly in the timeline but then again Link's Awakening didn't have Zelda per se (although Marin may have been reminiscent of her like how Link confused both).

Most games are still about the Triforce so indirectly Zelda is still very involved for incarnating the Wisdom part of it.

'Oracle of Seasons/Ages' had nothing to do with Zelda either... or Ganon(dorf) for that matter..
Also in 'A Link to the Past,' aside from the very beginning of the game, Zelda is no more important than the other 6 maidens that are sealed away in crystals..

It's almost like calling Final Fantasy "The Legend of Cid"..

 

[BrawlMan]

Oracle of Seasons/Ages' had nothing to do with Zelda either... or Ganon(dorf) for that matter..
Also in 'A Link to the Past,' aside from the very beginning of the game, Zelda is no more important than the other 6 maidens that are sealed away in crystals..

Two of those at the beginning are side/gaiden games anyway. Which explains the subtitles for either game, and makes sense.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Two of those at the beginning are side/gaiden games anyway. Which explains the subtitles for either game, and makes sense.

Yeah... And... So?
Plus, all of the "Legend of Zelda" sequels/prequels/requels have subtitles. The only one that was numbered 2nd NES game, and it had a subtitle too: "Link's Adventure"..

 

[Ikagura]

'Oracle of Seasons/Ages' had nothing to do with Zelda either... or Ganon(dorf) for that matter..

Well, those weren't developed by Nintendo themselves but by Capcom/Flagship but Zelda and Ganon appears when you play the other game with a linked save.

I could say that games not set in Hyrule had the excuse of not featuring Ganon nor Zelda such as Phantom Hourglass being set after Ganon was turned into stone by the Master Sword and happened in a parallel world that explains why Bellum is the antagonist in this game.

Minish Cap being an exception yet this one is also explained by the fact it's set before Ocarina of Time so that the Thief Ganondorf wasn't there yet (or at least that the Gerudo King never heard of the Triforce up to that point). Said game also not being made by Nintendo's internal team either.

Also in 'A Link to the Past,' aside from the very beginning of the game, Zelda is no more important than the other 6 maidens that are sealed away in crystals..

I'd argue that it was a showcase of early-installment weirdness as this entry focused on the Sages' descendants since it had introduced them to the lore (although Zelda herself was still important in both NES titles).

It's almost like calling Final Fantasy "The Legend of Cid"..

I kind of disagree because Cid was just being a recurring secondary character with a similar role but not the reincarnation of a divine power. The closest would be that in many entries there's a female protagonist important to the plot (like Terra, Aerith, Yuna and others I forgot about) but almost every FF games are set in a different world (aside from the ones set in Ivalice and direct sequels like X-2) so it's not really equivalent.

I could agree that The Legend of Zelda could've still been called "The Myth of the Triforce" and it wouldn't have affected the franchise that much but Legend of Zelda still gives a cooler sound to the ear and she's still one of the three parts of the Triforce even if her physical being isn't involved that much in the games. This is about the Legend after all.

Yeah... And... So?
Plus, all of the "Legend of Zelda" sequels/prequels/requels have subtitles. The only one that was numbered 2nd NES game, and it had a subtitle too: "Link's Adventure"..

Zelda II is the black sheep of the franchise in more than one way, almost as if the numbering was a way to further the oddity of that entry (aside from ALBW being called Triforce of Gods 2 in Japan for some reason but I'm glad they didn't name it "ALTTP 2" in the west).

Two of those at the beginning are side/gaiden games anyway. Which explains the subtitles for either game, and makes sense.

Not being made by Nintendo directly and being focused on two of the Goddesses (Nayru and Din) could explain it (although I still regret the lack of a game focused on Farore).

 

[BrawlMan]

Yeah... And... So?
Plus, all of the "Legend of Zelda" sequels/prequels/requels have subtitles.

Yes, but the GB/GBC games were really the ones that get the ball rolling on the side story thing. If it makes you feel any, better Zelda's more active in a lot of the recent outings. You have the Hyrule Warriors games, Tears of the Kingdom, and that solo game of hers with the chibi art style. Not to mention two of those Game Boy Color games were developed by Capcom anyway.

Here's some Zelda verse for ya.

 

[Ikagura]

I kinda like the fact that in the Adult Timeline the Triforce has been less relevant because Ganon has been sealed for good under the ocean and since technology is taking more place it also explains why magic is shown less (with Steamboats and trains). It's oddly poetic and shows that despite the actions of Ganondorf in the bad future of OoT and the flood resulting from his return people managed to rely less on Hylia and have learnt to evolve and progress.

Whereas the Child timeline which was supposed to prevent Ganon from commiting harm before he could ended up being a gloomy one because of Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess.

The Downfall timeline is the most interesting because of Link's failure ending up ruining Hyrule in ALTTP and Zelda 1 yet the Hero of Courage still came back to try fixing the failure of his previous incarnation. I assume that after Zelda II Ganon is out for good.

Edit: BotW and TotK tried to unify the timelines but it's almost like a blank slate for the franchise... I don't know what to expect in the future.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Well, those weren't developed by Nintendo themselves but by Capcom/Flagship but Zelda and Ganon appears when you play the other game with a linked save.

I could say that games not set in Hyrule had the excuse of not featuring Ganon nor Zelda such as Phantom Hourglass being set after Ganon was turned into stone by the Master Sword and happened in a parallel world that explains why Bellum is the antagonist in this game.

Minish Cap being an exception yet this one is also explained by the fact it's set before Ocarina of Time so that the Thief Ganondorf wasn't there yet (or at least that the Gerudo King never heard of the Triforce up to that point). Said game also not being made by Nintendo's internal team either.


I'd argue that it was a showcase of early-installment weirdness as this entry focused on the Sages' descendants since it had introduced them to the lore (although Zelda herself was still important in both NES titles).


I kind of disagree because Cid was just being a recurring secondary character with a similar role but not the reincarnation of a divine power. The closest would be that in many entries there's a female protagonist important to the plot (like Terra, Aerith, Yuna and others I forgot about) but almost every FF games are set in a different world (aside from the ones set in Ivalice and direct sequels like X-2) so it's not really equivalent.

I could agree that The Legend of Zelda could've still been called "The Myth of the Triforce" and it wouldn't have affected the franchise that much but Legend of Zelda still gives a cooler sound to the ear and she's still one of the three parts of the Triforce even if her physical being isn't involved that much in the games. This is about the Legend after all.


Zelda II is the black sheep of the franchise in more than one way, almost as if the numbering was a way to further the oddity of that entry (aside from ALBW being called Triforce of Gods 2 in Japan for some reason but I'm glad they didn't name it "ALTTP 2" in the west).


Not being made by Nintendo directly and being focused on two of the Goddesses (Nayru and Din) could explain it (although I still regret the lack of a game focused on Farore).

As usual, you are guilty of being "pedantically correct," but most of that is just 'Red Herring's & 'Non-Sequitur's based upon little technicalities, without really engaging with the spirit of my argument..

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Most ≠ All..

 

[Ikagura]

As usual, you are guilty of being "pedantically correct," but most of that is just 'Red Herring's & 'Non-Sequitur's based upon little technicalities, without really engaging with the spirit of my argument..

Sorry but what do you mean by the "spirit of the argument"? I'm just explaining point by point why Zelda as a character is relevant in the overall series despite some lesser titles omitting her from the plot (or making her less relevant).

I've also explained why it wasn't the same as Final Fantasy with the comparison with Cid (I like the character but he has always been more like a cameo character like Biggs and Wedge or even the Chocobos).

Anyway, the Oracle games aren't that relevant in the series since it wasn't made by Nintendo and BotW and TotK made Zelda more important than ever plot-wise.

 

[BrawlMan]

House of the Dead. Only the first game and the fifth game take place in a "house" of sorts. A mansion to be specific. 2 & 4 takes place in a city, and III take place in a facility that houses the dead. Overkill has you briefly go into a home full of zombies, but that doesn't really count anyway.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Sorry but what do you mean by the "spirit of the argument"? I'm just explaining point by point [...]

It's difficult to explain concisely. But it's like the difference between the "Letter of the Law" vs the "Spirit of the Law."
I'm trying to tread carefully here, but I think the simplest way of demonstrating the difference can be found within Rabbinic Judaism's attitude surrounding the Sabbath. Jewish scholars over the centuries have tried to figure out loopholes around the numerous Biblical restrictions during the Day of Sabbath, while still staying within the "Letter of the Law" (Hence the stereotype of Jews being fantastic lawyers). But it can also be argued that the very attempt to circumvent the Sabbath in this way violates the "Spirit of the Law."

 

[BrawlMan]

It's difficult to explain concisely. But it's like the difference between the "Letter of the Law" vs the "Spirit of the Law."

I sorta see what you're getting at, but it seems like you're upset because he pointed out the flaws in your logic or arguement with actual evidence and facts. Let's not take these things too seriously. I made the thread with more so fun in mind and that's all. So let's not get rough over nothing.

This isn't what I made the thread for and I have no patience for any bullshit right now. Not saying this to be tough, nor put you down, but just to get straight to the point.