Anyone into the new Dune movie series?

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Any fans of Denis Villeneuve's Dune movies? I am for sure and I'm excited to see a third movie. Not sure what to expect, I hear the movies are starting to deviate from the source material, but I'm not sure if that is true. In any case, I'm impressed that he was able to bring the vision of the series to the big screen after so many failed attempts.

 
Don't worry about that as it bears no resemblance to the source material. Nor does the 1980's version. You can't really translate the Dune novels into a movie or TV show like a Hollywood production. For example what you're seeing in the movies is technically what happens in the books, but not how it's told and therefore not like the material at all. The actual narration of Dune is masculine, mature, and expressed in such a way that Merlin from that movie Excalibur would be the closest example of a "Dune" like cinematic presentation I can think of. For example the movie puts a great deal of emphasis on the shields, action set pieces, and CGI effects. In the book the vast majority of the special effects are literally invisible, inaudible fields of energy with zero presence outside of seeing a fat guy flying through the air or seeing a projectile bend around somebody. Instead, the book goes into highly descriptive detail describing dreams, visions, use of the voice, and character's experiences as they're confronted by personal tragedy, death, or new sensations. Perception warps as incredibly strange, alien practices and cults are bandied about. Maturity comes in the form of Paul being confronted by a floating drone over his bed at night about to end his life and the extreme tension he goes through while grabbing it out of the air. Sword fights are a measure of internal bantering and appraisal rather than expressed in awe from the outside. Basically, the spectacle is there. But, it's not the point. Experiencing it is.
 
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Don't worry about that as it bears no resemblance to the source material. Nor does the 1980's version. You can't really translate the Dune novels into a movie or TV show like Hollywood wants to do with stories like this. For example what you're seeing in the movies is technically what happens in the books, but not how its told and therefore not like the material at all. The actual narration of Dune is masculine, mature, and expressed in such a way that Merlin from that movie Excalibur would be the closest example of a "Dune" like cinematic presentation I can think of.

Well, that's fine, not every movie needs to be a carbon copy of the source material. For example I enjoy the Lord of The Rings movies and books, even though they are pretty different in tone at times. And the Dune movies make me interested in getting into the books, one of these days I'll have to make the time for it.
 
Well, that's fine, not every movie needs to be a carbon copy of the source material. For example I enjoy the Lord of The Rings movies and books, even though they are pretty different in tone at times. And the Dune movies make me interested in getting into the books, one of these days I'll have to make the time for it.
Lord of the Rings is a great example. The movie has the entire introduction and Frodo leaving the shire like it's some urgent race against time. In the book it's a drawn out period of visits between Gandalf and Frodo that goes on for months if not years before he heads out.
 
Lord of the Rings is a great example. The movie has the entire introduction and Frodo leaving the shire like it's some urgent race against time. In the book it's a drawn out period of visits between Gandalf and Frodo that goes on for months if not years before he heads out.

Yeah the book is very much not action based nor a page turner. Its a slow pondering tome that takes breaks for song and poetry. But the movie is definitively focused on the action set pieces and the dramatic moments.
 
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I did see the first one it was rather boring. Got no plan to se the other 2 because i hate zendaya and also if the first one is boring we'll as they say first impression.
 
i will probably watch the new one but just to get it over with , i find the films hard to get into - i remember putting on the second one and i honestly had to double check because it felt so much like i was watching the first one again.
 
I did see the first one it was rather boring. Got no plan to se the other 2 because i hate zendaya and also if the first one is boring we'll as they say first impression.

Yeah, Denis Villeneuve has a slow style. I remember watching Blade Runner 2049 in the cinemas after work and I fell asleep a few times. But his cinematography and sound editing is chef's kiss. I feel like Dune is a bit more fast paced than Blade Runner, so I didn't find it slow. And Zendaya is an acquired taste, I didn't mind her but definitively the weak point of the cast if you want to nitpick.
 
Yeah mean its not a bad movie in it self it´s just it kind of bored me and hard to watch a movie if you kind of lose interests in it.
 
The books can be pretty dry and hard to get through too; I’m still stuck halfway into Messiah. I loved the first movie, and it hewed as close to the source as I wanted it to while also being as much of its own thing as I wanted from a Villeneuve joint. I’ve only seen part two once though, and to be honest I don’t remember much about it. I watched it in the midst of a prolonged medical condition, so now that I’m mostly mended I need to give it another go. Still hyped for part 3, cause the new additions to the cast are choice.
 
While I would have loved to have seen Alejandro Jodorowsky's Dune movie come to fruition (his Metabarons comic comes pretty close), the recent Dune moves are beautifully intense and give me definite Original Trilogy vibes
 
The first movie tracked well for me; aside from some creative liberties, it constructed a closely parallel adaptation that hit the marks in order, and with a deeper depth of understanding than I was expecting from a Hollywood blockbuster.

The second half of Dune (the book) offers more hooks for a big-budget feature to get its looks in, basically playing out as a science-fictional take on Lawrence of Arabia. It wasn't really until Part Two that it became apparent that Villeneuve had a bit of a different plan all along, leaning towards a different discussion that is, admittedly, more relevant to later books in the series. Framing it that way, I guess I've let myself soften on it in the moment, but let me explain:

Dune, as a novel, was very much invested in an exploration of ecology and sociology, and how the two intermix. People made by their environment, and the environment being made by its people. And, in the midst of it, it created characters with lots of personal agency and accountability, a very humanist outlook for the far, far off future. There's a discussion Herbert was having here with Asimov and Foundation, a bit with Sagan, and you see them twisting together book after book. For Herbert, I'd also push you towards the Destination: Void books, since those take a similar detour as the later Foundations.

Arrakis was constructed as a system less than a character. It has a geography, patterns, and rules. The people that live there are integrated with all those systems so much so as to have become part of its ecology, and indeed in the case of the Fremen, have begun to guide that ecology. Those that are merely visiting seem to always be iceskating uphill, to borrow a phrase, until they learn to follow the current. Most don't, but those willing to learn do. There's a lovely appendix with a story about Pardot Kynes; it's one of the standout features of Dune.

Getting back to Villeneuve's sweve: Paul is a passenger on a runaway destiny going downhill very fast. The book details how he comes to realize why the brakes have come off, what's at the bottom of the hill (later books explain that it's actually been a mountain all along), and how he decides to let go of the wheel and let gravity take its course. Dune Messiah takes over just before his destiny reaches the bottom (of a valley) and tries to throw some hay in the way, but then we discover that Paul's been wearing rollerskates the whole time and ejecting him from the vehicle just meant that you now have two destinies rolling down the hill at high speed.

Villeneuve's Dune inverts the curve; Paul find himself walking uphill through much of his Part One arc, cresting midway through Part Two and then coasting downwards into Messianic Despotism at the conclusion. This deviates from book where Paul finds himself awash of Fremen custom and propelled by circumstance, guided along by Chani (herself deeply embedded in the Fremen faith and a chieftess in waiting), forced into the leadership of a Fremen awakening that quickly expands beyond his control. In Villeneuve's rendition, Paul leverages prophecy to spur the Fremen out of inaction, to enact revenge, to lift him into a throne. Chani, by contrast, sees exactly what her people do not: that Paul is just another oppressor, but one who leads with a treat rather than the leash. The divergence occurs proper at the moment that Paul takes the Waters of Life, and why.

This speaks to more recent readings of Herbert's work, which (Cough, A-W-F Unlimited) you'll probably note probably weren't on Frank's mind at the time. It makes me ponder how Paul will be characterized in Part Three: Irredeemable Tyrant (who used to be so nice)? Faltering hero (who could have avoided all this)?

We know who Chani will be: she sets off the bomb at the end.
 
While I would have loved to have seen Alejandro Jodorowsky's Dune movie come to fruition (his Metabarons comic comes pretty close), the recent Dune moves are beautifully intense and give me definite Original Trilogy vibes

I prefer Villeneuve's vision. Its a little easier to follow than the average Jodorowsky film. I don't want to have to drop acid for a movie to start making sense, lol.
 
I definitely like dune part 2 but I prefer Syfy dune miniseries. Still I like what Villeneuve is going for.
 
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