Anyone following the drama with Steam and the credit card companies trying to censor games?

[sneedcel]

Its not only for people of the "Videogames are art "-crowd but for people overall that love videogames overall.

Its just restricting creativity , design and what should be taken as Entertainment.
This brings my blood to the boiling-point .

The gaming-industry is already on its knees while indies have a hard time to establish themselves in gaming overall when not only censorship , competition , DEI , out-of-touch wine-moms and now mentally weak corporate idiots putting huge hurdles into their ways to overcome .

This slippery Slope was very foreseeable but the nitpicking about pornographic and violent games to ban them , just shows how allergic those people are towards their own responsibility and can never see one step ahead of their own untoughtful actions . Pure impulsivity but no thought of it . This will cut their own flesh and i hope they are ready to squeal for their idiocy .

Can we finally activate the nitro-boost , rocket-accelerators and afterburners into the industry-crash ? This Clown-show just gets on my nerves in the worst way possible .

That Steam just simply bowed down to mastercard and visa so easily , is the icing on the cake .

Sorry for my rant but i hate when creativity is getting killed and restricted by a bunch braindead whiners with no life , personality , standards and any reason . I could vomit flames of pure rage about such a topic .

literally all commercial products are beholden to these people, it was ONLY a matter of time until something like this happened, of course crypto already exists but no one seems to care

>b-but crypto scams
yes idiots gets scammed regardless of currency so somehow this means we have to throw the baby out with the bath water stellar logic

 

[qw90700]

Lets be real here, the lot of you likely pirate your pr0n games anyway

But if porn developers can't see a way to make money they won't develop porn so there won't be a porn to pirate!!! Future is so bleak!!!! lolol

 

[Strategist's icon Strategist Strategist]

Oh that's why my message didn't make sense to you!!!

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lolol

Long story short: Some adults blamed payment processors for their existence helps "people do bad stuff", for example selling "insane video games poison our kids!!!" so payment process playing "sense of morality card" for brand image for not wanna involve with "bad stuff" despite it's not illegal. Thus they believe lots of parent issues are solved like "oh now my daughter won't sell herself on OnlyFans" and "my stupid son won't steal my credit card to buy tons of wanker games" lol.

So what is effected?: Basically porn stuff beyond video games like OnlyFans and whatever places sells porn. But angry parents wanna expand that beyond porn because they blame lots of stuff.

What governments wanna do because of it?: For votes they want to implement a system that require your citizen ID to use internet. Banning social media to non-adults. Making ISPs allow "child friendly" internet to assignated private devices kids may be using. Governments has no idea what to do but people speak to their ears like devil and they are called "parents" who also has no idea how world is and what to do but they all demand BS lol.

I got that part but then you went on a rant equating normal, healthy sexual desires to mental illness and then you lost me. Plus violent media inspiring violent acts propaganda that has already been debunked by behavioral scientists.

 

[qw90700]

I got that part but then you went on a rant equating normal, healthy sexual desires to mental illness and then you lost me. Plus violent media inspiring violent acts propaganda that has already been debunked by behavioral scientists.

"Healthy sexual desires" only consist of a person whom you are in mutual romantic relationship. Otherwise having sexual urges is a porn addict excuse so watching porn and wanking willy-nilly is not "normal". For example lot's of American culture stuff in general are abnormal for human beings and I don't just mean "shooting anything" and "having sexual fetish over having diabets and fat body".

As for "violence", in general people are a person that most of their personality is not in awareness of the person due to ignorance and not active genes. So, if a violent person was never exposed to violence and had a peaceful life they won't be violent for never realizing they enjoy violence, but by playing video games like Postal 2 they might wanna try it in real life. This is what I meant with "Your kid may not be effected by playing Postal 2 but doesn't mean some other kid won't." in my previous message.

So you replying to an idea I really didn't say. You don't reply to me, you reply the broken reflection of me in your reality lol. What you didn't understand is just because you are having a delusion instead of actually paying attention to understand. If you can't even understand explanation then I have nothing else to say to you because it will mean you are contrarian and enjoy the thrill of verbal wrestle as if you hunting an animal, you are not interested in discussion. If you are not interested in discussion then you gotta realize you just wanna BS and oppose, if you won't actually read messages of people then no point for you to actually reply to people. The message was not even a rant, but you wanted to see it that way because it's how your brain works lolol.

 

[Strategist's icon Strategist Strategist]

I understand the whole slippery slope logic, but with these things you always get a lot of knee jerk reactions before anything more has even happened. Before we get all 'total internet censorship police state' let's focus on the fact that so far only some obviously questionable games have been pulled off a private storefront, with some pressure thrown around on a few others of course. If Steam doesn't want to deal with the pressure then they don't have to. There's still entire other storefronts to acquire coom games on.

That being said, I'm of course against censorship like this personally; I'm just playing some reason here. The whole ID business is a separate issue, but I'm more concerned about that and I'm far over the age where I'm likely to even have to deal with it. The government basically has all my data already, but my concern is just if they outsource the security or collection of that data to an outside party given the often times hilariously laid back cybersecurity a lot of companies use for some baffling reason.

I'm opposed to putting my government issued ids all over the internet. That is just asking for hackers to steal your identity or worse. And corporations don't give a shit about data leaks, as you've alluded to.

 

[sandogma sandogma]

I got that part but then you went on a rant equating normal, healthy sexual desires to mental illness and then you lost me. Plus violent media inspiring violent acts propaganda that has already been debunked by behavioral scientists.

I'd be curious to see how old those studies are. Sure, back in the 90s when people who thought Doom and Mortal Kombat were too violent were clearly wrong. However in today's AAA gaming, graphics have far surpassed the visual fidelity of those older games that it would be good to have an updated study.

That said, there are other bad practices that seem to be getting hand waved, such as incorporating gambling behavior in free to play games.

 

[Cardboardtubeknight Cardboardtubeknight]

"Healthy sexual desires" only consist of a person whom you are in mutual romantic relationship. Otherwise having sexual urges is a porn addict excuse so watching porn and wanking willy-nilly is not "normal". For example lot's of American culture stuff in general are abnormal for human beings and I don't just mean "shooting anything" and "having sexual fetish over having diabets and fat body".

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As for "violence", in general people are a person that most of their personality is not in awareness of the person due to ignorance and not active genes. So, if a violent person was never exposed to violence and had a peaceful life they won't be violent for never realizing they enjoy violence, but by playing video games like Postal 2 they might wanna try it in real life. This is what I meant with "Your kid may not be effected by playing Postal 2 but doesn't mean some other kid won't." in my previous message.

So you replying to an idea I really didn't say. You don't reply to me, you reply the broken reflection of me in your reality lol. What you didn't understand is just because you are having a delusion instead of actually paying attention to understand. If you can't even understand explanation then I have nothing else to say to you because it will mean you are contrarian and enjoy the thrill of verbal wrestle as if you hunting an animal, you are not interested in discussion. If you are not interested in discussion then you gotta realize you just wanna BS and oppose, if you won't actually read messages of people then no point for you to actually reply to people. The message was not even a rant, but you wanted to see it that way because it's how your brain works lolol.

I don't know it looks like you had a lot to say.

 

[Octopus]

So, if a violent person was never exposed to violence and had a peaceful life they won't be violent for never realizing they enjoy violence, but by playing video games like Postal 2 they might wanna try it in real life.

I mean if someone plays Postal 2 then decides to commit a murder or whatever, there is clearly already a predisposition to violence and concerning break from reality, entirely separate from the video game. If it wasn't Postal 2, then it could have been anything else that would cause this hypothetical violence. This is something that was already presented in court numerous times in the 90s and held over all these years; the issue is mental health, not video games.

I'm opposed to putting my government issued ids all over the internet. That is just asking for hackers to steal your identity or worse. And corporations don't give a shit about data leaks, as you've alluded to.

Exactly. I just meant that the Collective Shout thing is something separate from the ID push, and even in the UK the Online Safety Act bill that's the cause of the ID certification there was given royal assent 2023 before this Collective Shout business.

 

[qw90700]

I'd be curious to see how old those studies are. Sure, back in the 90s when people who thought Doom and Mortal Kombat were too violent were clearly wrong. However in today's AAA gaming, graphics have far surpassed the visual fidelity of those older games that it would be good to have an updated study.

That said, there are other bad practices that seem to be getting hand waved, such as incorporating gambling behavior in free to play games.

Now we believe in genes so we also debunked whatever behavioural scientists believed in lol.

For example some people will never kill a person, but playing a game like Postal 2 will make them calm down. It will make them regain their sanity.

But if a person already have urge to kill, Postal 2 will be like some porn addict seeing a hot person. Chemicals generated and they are biologically guided to an outlet. But if this chemical never generated then the person has no urge and that's why some people have no murder intent despite their fury and no urge to rape despite how horny they may be. It's all about genes yo lol.

However what is "dangerous" is social programming. Simply put why peer pressure is dangerous is because most people's decision making process works via mirroring. They wanna act like what majority does and be a member of the group. Because of it most people repress their real self and wear social mask. Naturally they do what they actually don't wanna do but they do it anyway to befit to their society, it does generate negative emotions that find its way to be directed into. Often it's via mindless killing in games, cutting tables with sharp stuff, grinding teeth in their sleep, wanking to some porn, threating people badly, being contrarian, seeing enemies everywhere, even seeing sense of humor as a threat to their life, et cetera. It's because brain is an organ that always focuses on the truth and being aware of facts, but repressing real self make brain also ignore facts which make brain fall into a delusional state. Simply put when a person really misses the point to understand simple ideas then it means they repress an idea which means they ignore a fact. Naturally often emotional reasons are way people deny facts.

 

[Strategist's icon Strategist Strategist]

I'd be curious to see how old those studies are. Sure, back in the 90s when people who thought Doom and Mortal Kombat were too violent were clearly wrong. However in today's AAA gaming, graphics have far surpassed the visual fidelity of those older games that it would be good to have an updated study.

That said, there are other bad practices that seem to be getting hand waved, such as incorporating gambling behavior in free to play games.

Take this with a grain of salt as this is my bachelor introductory course level of understanding of psychology but as far as we understand, a clinical level of sociopathy or psychopathy cannot be developed through exposure to violent media. Sociopaths/psychopaths may gravitate towards violent media, but correlation does not imply causation.

"Healthy sexual desires" only consist of a person whom you are in mutual romantic relationship. Otherwise having sexual urges is a porn addict excuse so watching porn and wanking willy-nilly is not "normal". For example lot's of American culture stuff in general are abnormal for human beings and I don't just mean "shooting anything" and "having sexual fetish over having diabets and fat body".

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As for "violence", in general people are a person that most of their personality is not in awareness of the person due to ignorance and not active genes. So, if a violent person was never exposed to violence and had a peaceful life they won't be violent for never realizing they enjoy violence, but by playing video games like Postal 2 they might wanna try it in real life. This is what I meant with "Your kid may not be effected by playing Postal 2 but doesn't mean some other kid won't." in my previous message.

So you replying to an idea I really didn't say. You don't reply to me, you reply the broken reflection of me in your reality lol. What you didn't understand is just because you are having a delusion instead of actually paying attention to understand. If you can't even understand explanation then I have nothing else to say to you because it will mean you are contrarian and enjoy the thrill of verbal wrestle as if you hunting an animal, you are not interested in discussion. If you are not interested in discussion then you gotta realize you just wanna BS and oppose, if you won't actually read messages of people then no point for you to actually reply to people. The message was not even a rant, but you wanted to see it that way because it's how your brain works lolol.

This is a bunch of hogwash. People can watch porn without being addicts, just like they can eat without being gluttons. And its not up to you or me to judge which fetishes are appropriate for people (as long as all parties involved are consenting to whatever).

The rest is a lot of unscientific nonsense. Sociopaths are born, not created.

 

[qw90700]

Take this with a grain of salt as this is my bachelor introductory course level of understanding of psychology but as far as we understand, a clinical level of sociopathy or psychopathy cannot be developed through exposure to violent media. Sociopaths/psychopaths may gravitate towards violent media, but correlation does not imply causation.



This is a bunch of hogwash. People can watch porn without being addicts, just like they can eat without being gluttons. And its not up to you or me to judge which fetishes are appropriate for people (as long as all parties involved are consenting to whatever).

The rest is a lot of unscientific nonsense. Sociopaths are born, not created.

Beforehand a person may have no active genes that would have them have an urge to hurt people, but later being exposed to violence they may activate genes that may even turn them into serial killers.

So in reality, violence does not necessarily beget violence but it may for some people. So what is debunked is the BS of everyone is like same model of robot therefore same effect will cause same behavior. Which you and I agree. And I say this shit doesn't effect everyone. So? We say the same thing, you just using ancient words lol. Where I came from we don't say "sociopath", we talk about different variance of AVPR1a. I guess like Americans your "scientific community" gotta update your ancient shit yo lolol.

As for porn, "can watch" sure but without being an addict they cannot watching it without being cringed. "Can watch without being cringed" if they are like 12 years old because sexual POV is new to them so they would wanna explore it. However they won't watch porn for porn, they would watch it to learn about life which is a clear difference. If a person watches porn for porn then they are an addict, if they were not they wouldn't watch it. If you disagree your opinion is unscientific nonsense lolol.

 

[ZEGA ZONIC]

Alright. This thread is going nowhere.

 

[Strategist's icon Strategist Strategist]

Beforehand a person may have no active genes that would have them have an urge to hurt people, but later being exposed to violence they may activate genes that may even turn them into serial killers.

So in reality, violence does not necessarily beget violence but it may for some people. So what is debunked is the BS of everyone is like same model of robot therefore same effect will cause same behavior. Which you and I agree. And I say this shit doesn't effect everyone. So? We say the same thing, you just using ancient words lol.

As for porn, "can watch" sure but without being an addict they cannot watching it without being cringed. "Can watch without being cringed" if they are like 12 years old because sexual POV is new to them so they would wanna explore it. However they won't watch porn for porn, they would watch it to learn about life which is a clear difference. If a person watches porn for porn then they are an addict, if they were not they wouldn't watch it. If you disagree your opinion is unscientific nonsense lolol.

So you are going to remove violent video games so that psychopaths don't go wacko and start killing people. Well, they are going to watch violent movies now instead of video games. So you ban movies now? Well, guess what? These crazy folk might join the military and get PTSD and start shooting or if they get bullied in school they might go off. There's no realistic way to insulate people against violence in society. Your "solution" does not solve the problem, which is mental illness.

As far as the porn stuff, it seems like you have some personal hangups with that and you want to apply them to society as a whole. I can say my personal experience and the experience of my male friends doesn't match this fantasy you've concocted in your mind. Maybe in your country things are different and people are so repressed they can't handle seeing humans naked.

 

[Graves Ruinwalker]

Lets be real here, the lot of you likely pirate your pr0n games anyway

 

[Scotty]

Yeah, the whole situation is just a mess.

 

[Dr.Kisaragi]

I don't play Steam and I don't have credit card because my parents say they are always scam so I don't have them

I mostly get my games on the sea.

 

[Cardboardtubeknight Cardboardtubeknight]

Reminder: this is General Gaming Discussion not therapy

 

[qw90700]

So you are going to remove violent video games so that psychopaths don't go wacko and start killing people. Well, they are going to watch violent movies now instead of video games. So you ban movies now? Well, guess what? These crazy folk might join the military and get PTSD and start shooting or if they get bullied in school they might go off. There's no realistic way to insulate people against violence in society. Your solution is not practical.

Hmm never said a total ban, but I think age rating is useful because of the thingy that when a person gets matured they have more ways to hit the brakes when they are about to do stupid shit.

And I also said for some people playing violent games make them regain their sanity. You really think about this in the way you wanna see by being so selective lol.

Well making world a better place for greater good is what matters and it's hard. Majority is not always right, but facts are fact despite opinions. Because of it world is always tried to be adjusted for what is "best" for everyone and therefore we have all the stupid signs that says not to do some obvious stupid shit because it does help to prevent stupid people doing stupid shit.

So it's not about a "will" statement but "might" statement behind the logic of, for example, age ratings. It's not perfect and mostly useless but a human cannot be perfect so as their society. At least there is something and new generation kids started to be more "aware" of right and wrongs compared to previous generations. That's really something.

So treating kids are hard and adults panics over it. You gotta allow them to be free and also have to allow them a safe place to explore life. So censorship is equally bad as not censoring crazy shit but people just trying to do what is right. If you think it's wrong then you gotta teach them so society can find middleground or majority always wins despite how wrong they are *ahem* they throw their daughters to volcanoes to stop earthquakes *ahem*.

As far as the porn stuff, it seems like you have some personal hangups with that and you want to apply them to society as a whole. I can say my personal experience and the experience of my male friends doesn't match this fantasy you've concocted in your mind. Maybe in your country things are different and people are so repressed they can't handle seeing humans naked.

I blame my professors lol. I used to think sexual urge for some people is a "need" so they need porn but then my professors blinded me with science by slamming DRD2 and DRD4 genes lolol.

Still I really don't care about what people wanks to because I'm not their momma. Even if I was their therapist I would guide them for healthy meaningful relationships yet I would advise them that porn is not the "best way", it can only be like snacks to sate hunger when you need real deal foods to stay healthy. Porn alone cannot be enough for people, they need love and wanna relate by being related because we are social animals after all!!! It's how our brain works and therefore what we need to be healthy.

 

[pHoeniX_WRIght]

Lets be real here, the lot of you likely pirate your pr0n games anyway

I've been summoned

 

[qw90700]

Reminder: this is General Gaming Discussion not therapy

Two therapists walked into a bar and they psychoanalyzed the mental state of a whisky in the glass while philosophers in the room were like "WTF".

 

[Strategist's icon Strategist Strategist]

Hmm never said a total ban, but I think age rating is useful because of the thingy that when a person gets matured they have more ways to hit the brakes when they are about to do stupid shit.

And I also said for some people playing violent games make them regain their sanity. You really think about this in the way you wanna see by being so selective lol.

Well making world a better place for greater good is what matters and it's hard. Majority is not always right, but facts are fact despite opinions. Because of it world is always tried to be adjusted for what is "best" for everyone and therefore we have all the stupid signs that says not to do some obvious stupid shit because it does help to prevent stupid people doing stupid shit.

So it's not about a "will" statement but "might" statement behind the logic of, for example, age ratings. It's not perfect and mostly useless but a human cannot be perfect so as their society. At least there is something and new generation kids started to be more "aware" of right and wrongs compared to previous generations. That's really something.

So threating kids is hard. You gotta allow them to be free and also have to allow them a safe place to explore life. So censorship is equally bad as not censoring crazy shit but people just trying to do what is right. If you think it's wrong then you gotta teach them so society can find middleground or majority always wins despite how wrong they are *ahem* they throw their daughters to volcanos to stop earthquakes *ahem*.

No one has argued against ratings for video games. But we can't expect the government to do the jobs of parents in educating the next generation and deciding what type of media to purchase for their child. Parents have delegated parenting to computers and social media and that problem will still be present even if video games are censored. Until parents take responsibility for their children, we will have problems that the government will try to patch through actions that make us average joes suffer, lol.

Still I really don't care about what people wanks to because I'm not their momma. Even if I was their therapist I would guide them for healthy meaningful relationships yet I would advise them that porn is not the "best way", it can only be like snacks to sate hunger when you need real deal foods to stay healthy. Porn alone cannot be enough for people, they need love and wanna relate by being related because we are social animals after all!!! It's how our brain works and therefore what we need to be healthy.

I can agree to that. Porn is junk food, not a substitute for real love. But real love is hard to find...

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

Two therapists walked into a bar and they psychoanalyzed the mental state of a whisky in the glass while philosophers in the room were like "WTF".

This is so bad, it can't even be called a bad joke.

 

[bjork]

I am not following it too closely, but it seems a bit worrying. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like they got an entire category of games delisted in itch.io, like more than 10.000 games?

Not delisted. Deindexed, which means they're still there but won't show up on a search, while a direct link will work still. Free adult games had this lifted since they don't involve the payment processing.

As for the overall discussion: It boils down to the payment processors caving to avoid bad press. Even if these games somehow aren't on these storefronts at some point, they will exist, you'll just need to find out about them in a different way than a storefront. Then they'll go through a different payment processor, and so while it'll definitely make an impact, it isn't as though the sky is falling on this kind of game. Over the years we've had similar panic about these things: Lieberman, Jack Thompson, none of them made the headway with it that they thought they might. An inconvenience for now if you buy those games, a genuine problem if you make those games, but it isn't over and dead.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

However in today's AAA gaming, graphics have far surpassed the visual fidelity of those older games that it would be good to have an updated study.

True, but at the same time... You shot actual people on FMV stuff like Crime Patrol, and Mortal Kombat was all digitized actors. You can't get more realistic than that.

 

[The Prince of Misery]

Two therapists walked into a bar and they psychoanalyzed the mental state of a whisky in the glass while philosophers in the room were like "WTF".