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Message: [QUOTE="Num, post: 58967, member: 102245"] not to mention i believe pain and obito have some of the best motivations for a villain. like most shonen though the series doesnt really do a good job at really arguing against it, by the end theyre just simply wrong because they got beaten in a fight. i still personally side with obitos objective to this day, one of my favorite themes to explore and converse about in anything is the 完全楽園 concept [/QUOTE]

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