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Message: [QUOTE="Ikagura, post: 147442, member: 6930"] Now if you would take Project 06, a fan-game that kinda trims out the worse of the game, I could understand some of its qualities that people would find (well, despite the inherent flaws) but in all times there are people defending things regardless of quality. Even Sonic Boom had even less to salvage and Forces is so plain and bland that it makes it functional but fundamentally worse as it tries nothing compared to previous entries. But I'd argue that Sonic 2006 being the herald of bad game like how Atari E.T. is taken as the symbol of the video game krash of the early 80's is more of an Internet trend (and popular example) when I could argue that any asset flip or even more recent games that are even more filled with issues managed to be unfortunately worse because you can always go further in that aspect. As for the Ys series I'd argue that the genuinely bad games were Wanderer from Ys and Kefin (and maybe a bit of Mask of the Sun but it's more mediocre than bad in my opinion) and even then Kefin is just feeling too easy and short as a SNES action adventure/RPG game when we got ALTTP and Secret of Mana on the same hardware. Memories of Celceta was sadly a flawed remake (despite using Seven's gameplay style) so this is mediocre more as a remake than as a modern Ys game. Ys VI the Ark of Napishtim suffers from clunkiness but once again it's the first true 3D Ys game and the first original entry after a hiatus Ys IX could've had more to it with the Monstrum powers but pales in comparison of VIII but I'd say that X is actually the first ever modern Ys game to actually disappoint me since I started playing the series. Duke Forever legitimately pains me when you've seen the 2001 trailer. [/QUOTE]

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