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Message: [QUOTE="Sumea, post: 451960, member: 569"] I like how GameStop saying something flips reality of matter to people. Exactly this. We called some games retro already when gaming itself was not 20 years old. Space Invaders and Pong were the only things you could have "Considered Retro" with a "20 year rule that has always been so except when it wasn't and I just came the fuck up with it on the fly to deny how old I am getting." Back in 2001-2006, NES was considered Retro and it was still being maintained by nintendo. It had almost a decade of official hardware support still. SNES was considered retro which was not even 10 years old and it was getting it's last official games in Japan. When PS3 was out PS1 was already Retro with N64 and Saturn which were getting their first retro treatments officially by Sony launching downloadable PS1 games, microsoft launching download HDfied versions of Banjo Kazooie & Tooie etc. Now, of course, for these there is the obvious case of leaping hardware. The progress of technology we had between 70's and 2009 is absolutely insane. Compared to that, 2010-2026 feels outright stagnant, especially the non-leap most feel with PS5 compared to PS4. The big numbers the hardware is marked with today just does not translate to something like jumping from PS1 to PS2. We all do agree that while it is happening, technological progress in gaming became much more marginal and it started with PS3 and Xbox 360. So I understand the gut reaction to deny their status as old, and thus retro. But reality is, they are much older today than NES was when it was called retro. Much older when SNES was called retro. Much older than PS1 when it was labeled retro. And if that does not matter the term does not matter since it is just fairy dust fugaehzi fugayhzi not in the elemental table it is not fucking real. Which might be the case but in that case the fuck we doing here saying GameStop is somehow wrong? So, in factual basis, yes, these systems are Retro. Wii definitely is considered retro in technology yet time wise it shares the same age with PS3 and Xbox 360, and it's existence was very influental to both of those system's lifespans as Move and Kinect were developed because of Sony and Microsoft electing to challenge Wii. Wii was not irrelevant for the whole age of that generation. Move even was pivotal enough to be at the core of Sony's first VR system, where it manages the job fine-not-amazing out of ten. Now, Wii U then of course challenges the notion of Age as it shares it's life with end half of PS3 and first big half of PS4. And we can mostly agree PS4 ain't retro. Even though it [I]could[/I] be considered retro in time stuff but let's not for sake of sanity. But technologically, in same space with PS3 and Xbox 360 it would be retro. But now I have put even myself in a pickle because while I argue time being a factor for retro, I also cannot ignore technology as a factor. And this has been true also in past where we would consider, in sense, current systems as also retro systems. Say, whole history of Handhelds more than less. For most of it's life, GameBoy was "Retro" when it was out with SNES and especially later half when PS1 and N64 came out. GameBoy, I would argue GBA, could argue easily NDS all were current and relevant platforms, but also in sense, "retro" in technological sense as those systems stayed almost two generations behind, out of reality of portable tech, with some pizzaz and caveats. So, yeah, technology is also part of it. So... Technology? Is PS3, Xbox 360, and PS3, [I]technology wise[/I] retro? Well, the "kid test" for sure would make it so. That is the simple thing where a kid or teenager sees something that is older than them itself and identifies thing as old. That for sure would be case with these systems. Also, while us boomer-gamers will see PS3 as good looking and very comparable to PS5 games, there is a technological retroism in these systems. All of these systems with Wii U represent an old age in console technology. Specialized CPU's, from IBM no less, in all systems. Weird multicore tech. Absolutely miniscule amount of memory in today's standards. Forget "Dude 16 gigs does not cut it for any PC in 20XX" PS3 and Xbox be running here with total memory matching 2002 gaming PC's. And xbox 360 and Wii U have luxury of unified memory and Wii U having whopper two gigs (but only one for games, except if you are Breath of the Wild) while PS3 has a locked amount of 256Mb for CPU and another 256Mb for GPU, and the system XMB in minimized mode has to run in background still, taking about a meg or two of precious memory away. These systems are outright archaic inside. They are absolutely technological relics. It just does not show like that to boomers comparing how they print on the screen versus a PS5 game. Or "It uses HDMI" like that is a valid throw. What, did composite connection make something not retro in 2005? As long as it connected to TV it was not retro back then? Flat screen TV standards and HD age is not even half of the total age CRT age had. Yes stuff improved in steps but this also is very silly unscientific way of defining things. ALL, IN; ALL: We are very fickle and subjectibibibe about these shits. At the end of the day the term is a fugahzi fuhgayhzi especially today when there is no more a coherent agreement around the concept. It is based mostly on vibes and yeah it always was mostly vibes but now gamers do not share the vibes like we used to. We vibed in the same groovy disco back in 90's and 200X's. Now there is so many of us. Boomer Gamers thinking how they will shoot themselves on their 50th birthday look at the 18 year old's on the other side of the dance floor doing something absolutely weird with their moves and vibes even though that is still a real ass gamer there. And that real ass gamer is likely to appreciate games that are older than them. Even ones on PS3, or re-released from that age. It hard but yeah. TL;DR: PS3 and Xbox 360 are retro. Don't Change my mind go home ask your kids about their vibes. [/QUOTE]

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