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Message: [QUOTE="Strategist, post: 7112, member: 767"] Its not a percentage, it is a case by case basis. A joke may need to be rewritten completely if there's no appropriate analogue in the language. Also rewrites may be necessary to communicate a tone or a characterization. For example, the way a young person communicates in Japan is different from how a young person would communicate in English. And I've made it clear that I don't agree with censorship. I have explained why it happens and why it has (in most cases) very little to do with the translators. But don't misinterpret that as a pro-censorship argument. I showed you one former translator who wasn't like that. Alexander O Smith. He worked on the localization for Vagrant Story and also FFX and FFXII. I haven't seen the proof for that, especially when it comes to Japanese to English translation. I'd love for it to be true as it would allow me to play all the import Japanese games I desire, but it isn't the case from what I've seen. I think it that were really the case companies wouldn't hesitate to switch over to AI as it would be a lot cheaper. They haven't so far so the proof is in the pudding, as they say. True, I should've been more clear. Fans can always become experts in the language and do the translations themselves. And they often prefer to do that over machine translation when given the choice. The writer often works directly with the translator to provide the English translation. For example Alexander O. Smith worked directly with Yasumi Matsuno to localize Vagrant Story. Matsuno directly requested a flavorful, Shakespearean style localization for his project. He didn't see the value in literal translation that you do. If you expect me to take insults from and not respond, then I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps if you toned down your language you wouldn't get these snide comments back. Try it out yourself. See how google translate or chat gpt translates jokes. Says you? I'm perfectly fluent in English and can't speak a lick of Japanese. How am I not the target audience? And no, there aren't that many Spanish translations as you'd think, although they are becoming more common. Seems like you are too fixated on the tone of arguments and not the message. What if I told you that some may interpret your tone as smug and condescending? I'm not defending those changes but I am going to push back on blaming localizers for these things. I've already stated my case as to why and I believe I have more experience than you on this topic of software development. I doubt you'd find many people who are pro-censorship on the internet. I think you are misconstruing what censorship is. Any localization change, no matter how valid, is censorship to you. Many will disagree with that. [/QUOTE]

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