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Message: [QUOTE="Strategist, post: 7076, member: 767"] I think we can agree that the problem exists. And it is a problem that will always exist when it comes to Japanese to English translation due to the differences in the language. The severity of the problem is where the disagreements come. Again, I have no reason to doubt your sources but I see a lot of twitter back and forth in some of the arguments and very little line by line comparisons. I don't care about twitter drama, I care about substance. Like I said that is fair, but you didn't make the argument that the translators for your anime show are hacks. No, you made the claim that ALL translators are hacks and social activists. And that is not only unverifiable, that is also patently untrue. I don't doubt that some day we will have the technology to translate everything perfectly without the need of humans. That day hasn't arrived yet and won't be arriving anytime soon. Probably not in our lifetimes. Fan hacks don't have the money for anything other than AI translations and don't have to suffer any major consequences from a botched translation. Seems like the ideal spot to mess around with machine translation. I do think that AI has a place and that seems like an ideal spot for it. And also providing access to an AI service to translate less common languages like what RetroArch does. It could even be used for those who prefer a literal translation to Japanese. I wouldn't be against providing an option for a machine translated script in a video game. But I don't think it is an acceptable replacement for quality prose written by an expert. At least not yet. I didn't mean to assign blame to any particular party. I corrected my post because I noticed how it could be misconstrued in that way. However, you are incorrect when it comes the Night Trap controversy, that was the project of a Senator Lieberman, an independent. And Hillary Clinton is particularly conservative when it comes to many social issues. Yup everyone who disagrees with you is snide, smarmy, smug and a manipulator, got it. Solid arguments! This is one of the few constructive arguments you've made in this post. As far as translator notes, I've only seen them used in classical novels and fan subs. Academia and hardcore anime nerds certainly see the value in those footnotes, but entertainment corporations do not. Maybe you could use your passion to convince them otherwise. Somebody posted a joke in English literally translated to Spanish. Propose to us how you'd translate that joke properly to a Spanish speaking audience. Or if you think it is a proper translation to leave it as it is literally, because that is what the AI will do. How do you think I mostly consume Japanese media? Through English translations. Although I prefer subtitles whenever possible. Seems weird to gatekeep English localization when people all over the world are forced to use it to consume Japanese media. Yup bad translation is bad, we can all agree on that. What you refuse to see is that not everyone agrees on what you consider to be a "bad" translation. And they have valid reasons to do so. Which gameplay element was removed from Fire Emblem? Like I posted before, the face rubbing wasn't removed, it was toned down in the American version. And it certainly wasn't at the behest of a translator. A translator doesn't have the technical expertise to remove a whole feature from a game without breaking other stuff. That would require cooperation from a developer and a project manager would probably be aware of it. Project Managers report to higher ups so everyone is aware of what's going on. I speak about this from experience working on software projects. [/QUOTE]

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