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Message: [QUOTE="Lee__Kanker, post: 140578, member: 88"] I was gonna say that You can't really "lose" in noby noby boy or city builders, you can only make no progress I think rules is more reliable because you can't have a game if there are no limitations on what you can do, at first I thoughtb that having a game engine was where I draw the line but the odissey is just a little rectangle; but the fact it has rules like aboard game makes it a videogame And with rules I dont meant "do this to win" I mean "this is what you can do in this game, this is how you move and how you interact wuith the enviroment etc£ [/QUOTE]

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