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So what do you think would happen next with this competition reach
 
Not only that, but several members of the EU Parliament have spoken in favor of the initiative, signed it themselves, and urged others to do the same.

Dark, dark days for being a company who doesn't give a fuck about game preservation.
 
Not only that, but several members of the EU Parliament have spoken in favor of the initiative, signed it themselves, and urged others to do the same.

Dark, dark days for being a company who doesn't give a fuck about game preservation.
(Meanwhile at Nintendo, EA, and the like.)
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Super glad Ross got this ball rolling. Dudes like a stoner 007. Now I imagine, depending on how this goes, a lot of online games like ESO, WoW, etc. will have to have a team of lawyers write and re-write their Terms of Service so they can still weasel out of it. ::cirnoshrug
 
Not only that, but several members of the EU Parliament have spoken in favor of the initiative, signed it themselves, and urged others to do the same.

Dark, dark days for being a company who doesn't give a fuck about game preservation.
The biggest problem is the age groups of the ones in the western hemosphere who hear this, most of our leaders are boomers who know about as much about video games as the average younger person knows about topics like monarchy or astronomical theories on existence.

Basically the reason why the us isn't taking this up is a while ago some boomers decided that licenses allow them to do this, keep in mind they aren't thinking licenses are how we see them, they are thinking you needed to sign documents to do so.

The west in the next couple of decades is going to see a drastic change in tech laws most likely as boomers age out and gen x and millennials take over, but that's too long to wait when it comes to preservation, we've already lost alot.
 
The biggest problem is the age groups of the ones in the western hemosphere who hear this, most of our leaders are boomers who know about as much about video games as the average younger person knows about topics like monarchy or astronomical theories on existence.

Basically the reason why the us isn't taking this up is a while ago some boomers decided that licenses allow them to do this, keep in mind they aren't thinking licenses are how we see them, they are thinking you needed to sign documents to do so.

The west in the next couple of decades is going to see a drastic change in tech laws most likely as boomers age out and gen x and millennials take over, but that's too long to wait when it comes to preservation, we've already lost alot.

This has nothing to do with age honestly, most of the investments on the industry come from trade, trade is driven by trends, trends are set by the current generetaions not vice-versa.

Everyone is at fault for this industry, End user and Platform owners.

This is a problem of self regulation, governments had had hands-off most of the time, THIS is an issue of APATHY where no one gives a shite and no one wanted to act.

Took a decent human being to kick this and now the EMPATHY shown is what is driving this.
 
I'll believe in some kind of substantive change if and when it happens, but I'll remain skeptical. I still remember all the lootbox controversies and attempts to legislate them but they're still pretty rampant in many parts of the industry and it's not like the alternative methods of monetization have been much better for consumers.

All I really suspect is that companies will have to announce the sunsetting of servers long in advance and *ideally* have to provide some kind of resources to the community to help get private servers up and running more efficiently. It is truly a shame that since so many games are digital only and live service, many of them are completely impossible to archive or bring back in any real way once they are shut down. At least games like older MMOs that changed a lot via updates have a vanilla version on a disc that can be delved into and reverse engineered. Fortnite though? Not only has that game gone through half a dozen or more sequels worth of change at this point but absolutely none of it is archivable afaik. Lost so many of my favorite online experiences to the void of digital only always online nonsense...

To that same end I'm hoping to see protections for private servers in general, especially for games that are shut down. I love the work that folks like the ones at Project Neptune put into bringing back games like Medal of Honor 2010. Servers running 24/7 that require no system mods to access AND somehow feature crossplay between PS3 and PC? That's so damn cool! Same with stuff like CTGP for older Mario Kart games. Easy to access matchmaking with tons of custom content built right into it, how sweet! But then you hear stories like Take Two going after people who try to bring back GTAV Online on 360/PS3 and it's so disheartening.
 
I'll believe in some kind of substantive change if and when it happens, but I'll remain skeptical. I still remember all the lootbox controversies and attempts to legislate them but they're still pretty rampant in many parts of the industry and it's not like the alternative methods of monetization have been much better for consumers.

All I really suspect is that companies will have to announce the sunsetting of servers long in advance and *ideally* have to provide some kind of resources to the community to help get private servers up and running more efficiently. It is truly a shame that since so many games are digital only and live service, many of them are completely impossible to archive or bring back in any real way once they are shut down. At least games like older MMOs that changed a lot via updates have a vanilla version on a disc that can be delved into and reverse engineered. Fortnite though? Not only has that game gone through half a dozen or more sequels worth of change at this point but absolutely none of it is archivable afaik. Lost so many of my favorite online experiences to the void of digital only always online nonsense...

To that same end I'm hoping to see protections for private servers in general, especially for games that are shut down. I love the work that folks like the ones at Project Neptune put into bringing back games like Medal of Honor 2010. Servers running 24/7 that require no system mods to access AND somehow feature crossplay between PS3 and PC? That's so damn cool! Same with stuff like CTGP for older Mario Kart games. Easy to access matchmaking with tons of custom content built right into it, how sweet! But then you hear stories like Take Two going after people who try to bring back GTAV Online on 360/PS3 and it's so disheartening.

The loot box legislation took place in a serious matter on the UK, issue being gambling allegations which in turn is a monetization issue.

Here we have an argument that if companies are selling you a 'PRODUCT' they should 'NOT' RELINQUISH your access to the Bought 'PRODUCT' which is a completely different horse.

Part of the petition speak about the Publisher/and developers needs to HAVE and PLAN an END OF LIFE STRATEGY for the games that come in the future, if this is not the case then they need to ADVERTISE the ACCESS LICENSE they are LEASING to you and set firm EXPIRATIONS for said LEASING.

This is not RETRO-ACTIVE and the initiative is very open in letting the asshats that created this shit-show to solve their own fuckups ON THEIR OWN based on what i described before and if not, THEN the law will get involved in a case to case basis.

their are various ways to to achieve this but no private servers laws will come from this, since it is a gray area of said preservation argument.
 
Please do not take my comments as attacks nor flaming, but there is missinformation on your line of thinking about what the initiative is and what is trying to achieve, if curious please see the videos below, they come directly from Ross FROM Accursed farms and HE is the Guy you may say CREATED Stop Killing Games, he has been on this for almost 10 years now and honestly I have had been following his actions for almost the same amount of time.

Game as a service is a fraud:


The begining of Stop Killing Games:

70% of games with internet connections get killed
 
I had no idea about all these but Googled it: So it's one of those "petition" stuff they expect governments would care: They won't. Why?:

1) According to the law what company produces and the services they provide are legally owned by the said company that's legally responsible for the existence of the product and service they provide. Customers can only have a license to use it by obeying the terms of use of in what way and how the company want customers to use the product and service for.

2) If customers could own the product, like a video game, then they could use the assets of video games like textures, models and even codes of it to produce their own video games. So laws and its rules are trying to exist together to make things "fair and square" for everyone, so one change will require tons of changes that lots of parts of the laws had to be rewritten. So customers gotta accept they cannot own anything and the money they paid for doesn't mean anything to the law in terms of ownership, it just means "you have a license to use it". What can be done is to make the reality of "customers using the product" fair by still accepting you cannot own the product unless you are the person who produced the product. "Paying for it" is not enough to own anything.

3) Governments consist of people, usually old people who forgot to die but their mind stuck in whatever popular girl of high school mentality of the era their brain think they still live in, and they even ignore serious social matters like life and death so video games are the least of what they would care. This is why digital reality of goods, products and services are not properly updated to befit it to the current era most of us live, but not the governments.

But what can be done to make governments wanna act upon this topic?:

1) Governments has to understand the danger of how what video game companies does is bad for the economy. Video game industry is a significant plus for the economy. It make money flow and gives people jobs. If they get the danger that will make the industry likely to collapse then governments have to do something about it. The governments has to get what video game companies does is still a scam and it hurts people economically because laws are not enough to prevent them from their brainwashes and scam methods, so it make people don't wanna buy games and as a result this significant part of economy risked to reduce and making people fired when companies collapse one by one and then it will cause a domino effect for related industries too.

Not to mention according to the law we cannot expect "non-adult" people to make "decent decisions" to make the right call and video game industry is what "non-adults" society calls "kids" heavily involved. Companies brainwashed kids to scam them but governments should prevent this. A kid has no idea how law and world works, so they for games in their own way but they are easily a subject to scam so much. No one should expect kids to care about "what is terms of use" so reality of video games should kept simple and fairness regarding video games should be in the way "what society expects and understand" by the concept of "buying a video game". It means, companies may legally revoke access to video game, but this is not what society expect so it causes unfairness, so customers' wishes should be naturally protected by not allowing video game companies to do most of what they can do right now.

2) Who owns video game cannot change by law. But, companies can be forced that customers keep their digital goods by just paying for once and it only means "a license to use the digital good for an infinite time and use". It will mean, for example, Ubisoft cannot remove access from their games just because "it's online only" when the nature of the game is singleplayer so it should have offline access from the start. Laws can be fixed regarding it.

For example back then video games could work offline and activated offline for legit play by the power of "CD-Key". If customers have the CD-Key then the game should work offline too. Customers shouldn't care about piracy and what BS companies does to prevent piracy.

This calls for the topic of piracy methods should be limited by laws. For example, double DRM that forces internet requirement to have to login tons of places to access video game is BS. It doesn't respect life and personal preference of customers. It prevent people from buying video games. So in a way whatever law is needed to make things fair for customers are also good for companies so their BS won't be the reason of their collapse.

That being said the GOG model should be the only way how video games are and how Steam, Epic Games Store, Ubisoft, EA... and whatever digital video game distribution platforms are has to be legally enforced to provide games as how GOG does. No DRM, just download the setup and play it forever. Customers doesn't have to legally "own" games, but they paid for the product so they should be able to access what they paid for forever. If customers lose access to product then they will simply won't wanna pay for video games and it risk the industry collapsing. Good job for Ubishit to risk the whole video game industry turn into something people wanna forget and thanks Denuvo for making people cannot access the game they paid for. Who thought best way to deal with piracy and make people buy games is by not allowing them to access the game they paid for? wow lol

3) We wouldn't expect a company to pay additional cost to make a MMO, like World of Warcraft to allow offline gameplay because the nature of the game is not in that way and we cannot expect companies to provide infinite access to online games. However The Crew 1 is clearly a video game that is barely an "online game", it's more like a singleplayer game forced internet connection which is unfair for customers. Law can establish "type of video games" to distinguish the difference between them by defining how "a video game fundamentally depended on internet connection" (for example World of Warcraft) and "video game, despite forced online, does not require internet connection for core functionality therefore the video game can work without internet connection" (for example The Crew 1 and Need for Speed (2016)) are so companies won't use scams to remove the game from your library just to sell same but newer game (Ubisoft deleted Crew 1 just so people would buy newer Crew games) by forcing unnecessary usage of internet connection. So laws could enforce that if a video game doesn't really need internet to function then don't make it dependent on internet function to provide fair access to customers.

In this context laws regarding video games need to be upgraded because digital goods due to their nature and how they are provided is nothing like physical goods but laws are so stuck in physical good reality. So laws need to care about this:

1) Video games being released in unfair state that customers cannot use it properly, and sometimes video games are not usable even after few years.

Normally governments shouldn't allow this but they don't care. They don't even care customers can refund video games properly or not. You play a game more than 2 hours and then the game crashes so hard you cannot play the game anymore and cannot refund it. This is BS. Companies shouldn't be allowed to leave the game "unplayable" and if they do, if customers cannot play the game and if the game is buggy, no matter for how long they played the game and when they bought the game they should be necessarily allowed to refund the product.

2) DLC is a scam method so it should be removed. Either add DLC to the base game or you won't be allowed to sell DLCs so DLCs should be free of charge because companies intentionally remove features from base game to sell features as DLCs. Persona games are worst on that. In base Persona 4 game people talk about owning a motobike and then travelling between other places, and then they talk about the winter vacation that never happened so clearly the whole content is cut just to sell them as Persona 4 Golden lol. So this scam BS should prevent they selling same game with "little difference". Instead add this content for free to the actual version of the game or not. You shouldn't be allowed to sell the DLC and "another version of the game with little updates". This should be necessarily considered "update" and "updates" should be necessarily free to get and provide.

3) Gacha BS should be illegal. For those who doesn't know, gacha games are a free to play model but what's bad is you cannot "progress" the game if you don't pay for characters and weapons. You can get these "for free" but due to the "luck" system that's a gamble you cannot get the character and item required to progress in games. This gacha BS is necessarily a gamble and gambles in any form should be illegal.

Perhaps lots to say about all these but who reads these shit, innit? lol
 
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I'm gonna be honest around here
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN
as much as I want this to happen but it aint gonna
cause the corporates wont allow this as it hurts their pockets
Then we need French Revolution 2.0!!! Come on, bois, wear your Power Gloves, get your Nintendo Zappers and tape Virtual Boy headset to your head. We are going to war to protect gamer rights of your grandkids and their grandkids and their grandkids so they can keep driving their digital cars in The Crew 1!!! We shall follow on the steps of Angry Video Game Nerd!!! lol:
 
Wouldnt this just make them close all servers besides the current game servers? Seems counter intuitive. Unless someone can prove me wrong. Feels like Sony will just pull the plug on the ps3 store before this goes into effect
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I had no idea about all these but Googled it: So it's one of those "petition" stuff they expect governments would care: They won't. Why?:

1) According to the law what company produces and the services they provide are legally owned by the said company that's legally responsible for the existence of the product and service they provide. Customers can only have a license to use it by obeying the terms of use of in what way and how the company want customers to use the product and service for.

2) If customers could own the product, like a video game, then they could use the assets of video games like textures, models and even codes of it to produce their own video games. So laws and its rules are trying to exist together to make things "fair and square" for everyone, so one change will require tons of changes that lots of parts of the laws had to be rewritten. So customers gotta accept they cannot own anything and the money they paid for doesn't mean anything to the law in terms of ownership, it just means "you have a license to use it". What can be done is to make the reality of "customers using the product" fair by still accepting you cannot own the product unless you are the person who produced the product. "Paying for it" is not enough to own anything.

3) Governments consist of people, usually old people who forgot to die but their mind stuck in whatever popular girl of high school mentality of the era their brain think they still live in, and they even ignore serious social matters like life and death so video games are the least of what they would care. This is why digital reality of goods, products and services are not properly updated to befit it to the current era most of us live, but not the governments.

But what can be done to make governments wanna act upon this topic?:

1) Governments has to understand the danger of how what video game companies does is bad for the economy. Video game industry is a significant plus for the economy. It make money flow and gives people jobs. If they get the danger that will make the industry likely to collapse then governments have to do something about it. The governments has to get what video game companies does is still a scam and it hurts people economically because laws are not enough to prevent them from their brainwashes and scam methods, so it make people don't wanna buy games and as a result this significant part of economy risked to reduce and making people fired when companies collapse one by one and then it will cause a domino effect for related industries too.

Not to mention according to the law we cannot expect "non-adult" people to make "decent decisions" to make the right call and video game industry is what "non-adults" society calls "kids" heavily involved. Companies brainwashed kids to scam them but governments should prevent this. A kid has no idea how law and world works, so they for games in their own way but they are easily a subject to scam so much. No one should expect kids to care about "what is terms of use" so reality of video games should kept simple and fairness regarding video games should be in the way "what society expects and understand" by the concept of "buying a video game". It means, companies may legally revoke access to video game, but this is not what society expect so it causes unfairness, so customers' wishes should be naturally protected by not allowing video game companies to do most of what they can do right now.

2) Who owns video game cannot change by law. But, companies can be forced that customers keep their digital goods by just paying for once and it only means "a license to use the digital good for an infinite time and use". It will mean, for example, Ubisoft cannot remove access from their games just because "it's online only" when the nature of the game is singleplayer so it should have offline access from the start. Laws can be fixed regarding it.

For example back then video games could work offline and activated offline for legit play by the power of "CD-Key". If customers have the CD-Key then the game should work offline too. Customers shouldn't care about piracy and what BS companies does to prevent piracy.

This calls for the topic of piracy methods should be limited by laws. For example, double DRM that forces internet requirement to have to login tons of places to access video game is BS. It doesn't respect life and personal preference of customers. It prevent people from buying video games. So in a way whatever law is needed to make things fair for customers are also good for companies so their BS won't be the reason of their collapse.

That being said the GOG model should be the only way how video games are and how Steam, Epic Games Store, Ubisoft, EA... and whatever digital video game distribution platforms are has to be legally enforced to provide games as how GOG does. No DRM, just download the setup and play it forever. Customers doesn't have to legally "own" games, but they paid for the product so they should be able to access what they paid for forever. If customers lose access to product then they will simply won't wanna pay for video games and it risk the industry collapsing. Good job for Ubishit to risk the whole video game industry turn into something people wanna forget and thanks Denuvo for making people cannot access the game they paid for. Who thought best way to deal with piracy and make people buy games is by not allowing them to access the game they paid for? wow lol

3) We wouldn't expect a company to pay additional cost to make a MMO, like World of Warcraft to allow offline gameplay because the nature of the game is not in that way and we cannot expect companies to provide infinite access to online games. However The Crew 1 is clearly a video game that is barely an "online game", it's more like a singleplayer game forced internet connection which is unfair for customers. Law can establish "type of video games" to distinguish the difference between them by defining how "a video game fundamentally depended on internet connection" (for example World of Warcraft) and "video game, despite forced online, does not require internet connection for core functionality therefore the video game can work without internet connection" (for example The Crew 1 and Need for Speed (2016)) are so companies won't use scams to remove the game from your library just to sell same but newer game (Ubisoft deleted Crew 1 just so people would buy newer Crew games) by forcing unnecessary usage of internet connection. So laws could enforce that if a video game doesn't really need internet to function then don't make it dependent on internet function to provide fair access to customers.

In this context laws regarding video games need to be upgraded because digital goods due to their nature and how they are provided is nothing like physical goods but laws are so stuck in physical good reality. So laws need to care about this:

1) Video games being released in unfair state that customers cannot use it properly, and sometimes video games are not usable even after few years.

Normally governments shouldn't allow this but they don't care. They don't even care customers can refund video games properly or not. You play a game more than 2 hours and then the game crashes so hard you cannot play the game anymore and cannot refund it. This is BS. Companies shouldn't be allowed to leave the game "unplayable" and if they do, if customers cannot play the game and if the game is buggy, no matter for how long they played the game and when they bought the game they should be necessarily allowed to refund the product.

2) DLC is a scam method so it should be removed. Either add DLC to the base game or you won't be allowed to sell DLCs so DLCs should be free of charge because companies intentionally remove features from base game to sell features as DLCs. Persona games are worst on that. In base Persona 4 game people talk about owning a motobike and then travelling between other places, and then they talk about the winter vacation that never happened so clearly the whole content is cut just to sell them as Persona 4 Golden lol. So this scam BS should prevent they selling same game with "little difference". Instead add this content for free to the actual version of the game or not. You shouldn't be allowed to sell the DLC and "another version of the game with little updates". This should be necessarily considered "update" and "updates" should be necessarily free to get and provide.

3) Gacha BS should be illegal. For those who doesn't know, gacha games are a free to play model but what's bad is you cannot "progress" the game if you don't pay for characters and weapons. You can get these "for free" but due to the "luck" system that's a gamble you cannot get the character and item required to progress in games. This gacha BS is necessarily a gamble and gambles in any form should be illegal.

Perhaps lots to say about all these but who reads these shit, innit? lol
Uhhhh tldr? Can i get a quick notes on this?
 
Not only that, but several members of the EU Parliament have spoken in favor of the initiative, signed it themselves, and urged others to do the same.

Dark, dark days for being a company who doesn't give a fuck about game preservation.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO
Dragalia will be avenged at last

Thank you PirateSoftware for being a catastrophic dumbass
 
I had no idea about all these but Googled it: So it's one of those "petition" stuff they expect governments would care: They won't. Why?:

1) According to the law what company produces and the services they provide are legally owned by the said company that's legally responsible for the existence of the product and service they provide. Customers can only have a license to use it by obeying the terms of use of in what way and how the company want customers to use the product and service for.

2) If customers could own the product, like a video game, then they could use the assets of video games like textures, models and even codes of it to produce their own video games. So laws and its rules are trying to exist together to make things "fair and square" for everyone, so one change will require tons of changes that lots of parts of the laws had to be rewritten. So customers gotta accept they cannot own anything and the money they paid for doesn't mean anything to the law in terms of ownership, it just means "you have a license to use it". What can be done is to make the reality of "customers using the product" fair by still accepting you cannot own the product unless you are the person who produced the product. "Paying for it" is not enough to own anything.

3) Governments consist of people, usually old people who forgot to die but their mind stuck in whatever popular girl of high school mentality of the era their brain think they still live in, and they even ignore serious social matters like life and death so video games are the least of what they would care. This is why digital reality of goods, products and services are not properly updated to befit it to the current era most of us live, but not the governments.
This is a bit different, the EU method they are using REQUIRES the EU parliament to look into this and legally come up with a solution, will it be a good solution?
Hard to say but considering actual parliament members are openly campaigning for it and are advocating for it, it has a good chance of getting stuff done.

TL;DR something will almost definitely happen, the question is whether it will be good or bad, considering a similar inititive is what forced apple to use USB-C and make USB-C the standard, this will likely have a effect of some kind that will change how the game companies operate in some form, the question is how pro consumer or pro publisher it will be, but again multiple voting members of the eu parliament signed the initiative personally and are advocating for it, meaning it's likely not going to be bogged down in BS from companies as these parliament members will give a ELI5 course for the less gaming knowledgeable members, so it's likely to have something done, doesn't mean we'll be happy with it but the EU parliament tends to be more pro-consumer than most of the other avenues like america and has ruled multiple times in consumer right's favor, so it has a 50/50 at least chance of finally getting a good outcome.

Also wow, i had to cut your quote as the forum limit hit.
 
Uhhhh tldr? Can i get a quick notes on this?
Umm this ain't really concept that can get a "TL;DR" but:

It's basically about how customers cannot own anything so no one should expect this would change because of X and Y -> video game industry scams and BS but it won't make governments care unless X and Y stated to make them understand how economy and industry ruined so customers are hurt and if industry ruined by allowing companies run their wild horses people will lose jobs and related industries will be effected -> particular laws should be enforced on video game companies to befit them to what society expect and how kids expect how industry is because we cannot expect ordinary people and kids to understand all the legal BS companies hide behind to make themselves keep innocent because thus customers have no idea how they are hurt and how they waste money -> they won't change laws but can upgrade laws for video game industry to stop companies from BS customers by doing X and Y -> they better follow GOG model regarding how customers can download the game, backup it and play forever in a way GOG model should be enforced law on other platforms -> current problems in video game industry on what they did to scam and brainwash and what BS they do to make money and what would fix these issues.

And you bet some government guy will be like "give me TL;DR" and when even TL;DR of all the BS in the industry "too long to mention" they will be like "let's ignore this BS, this is video games ducks sake" and people desperately collecting petitions lol. "George, I think I remember in 60s people gathered so many petitions just to legally get married with trees? I guess this is the same shit right here. Let's ignore it and go to strip club or somethin ha ha ha" -- governments lolol.

This is a bit different, the EU method they are using REQUIRES the EU parliament to look into this and legally come up with a solution, will it be a good solution?
Hard to say but considering actual parliament members are openly campaigning for it and are advocating for it, it has a good chance of getting stuff done.

TL;DR something will almost definitely happen, the question is whether it will be good or bad, considering a similar inititive is what forced apple to use USB-C and make USB-C the standard, this will likely have a effect of some kind that will change how the game companies operate in some form, the question is how pro consumer or pro publisher it will be, but again multiple voting members of the eu parliament signed the initiative personally and are advocating for it, meaning it's likely not going to be bogged down in BS from companies as these parliament members will give a ELI5 course for the less gaming knowledgeable members, so it's likely to have something done, doesn't mean we'll be happy with it but the EU parliament tends to be more pro-consumer than most of the other avenues like america and has ruled multiple times in consumer right's favor, so it has a 50/50 at least chance of finally getting a good outcome.

Also wow, i had to cut your quote as the forum limit hit.
Well we'll see then. The movement needs decent lawyers and related experts in their respective fields that can make them get what's the issue here and how laws are not enough.

Make the topic about kids and world changes so hard and fast. Even parents could enforce age rating and censor BS in video games, and current issue of the industry way more than gore in games. They literally scam kids to make more money and then they remove the game from the library and this ain't the "only" issue here. Tons of shit has to be changed just for the proper sake of customer protection.
 
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I think this is a hit and miss thing. If EU parliament wants to fuck up those companies, they will. Apple can corroborate it, no matter how big a company is, if there is will to fuck it up, EU will.

On the other hand, this topic is kind of "niche" for politics. Most of them have the age of saying "videogames are for kids, what the heck is this?", regardless of the number of votes it reached.

So, it's a 50/50 measure that will or will not be applied. And if it is applied, we need to think there is risk it will be wrongly applied and companies will find ways to avoid it with excuses.

We will see, at least it's going to be interesting :)
 

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