So, I recently watched Mobile Suit Gundam F91...

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Eeyeah, it's bad. Pretty bad. It's a classic example of too many cooks in the kitchen: Yoshiyuki Tomino wanted to and began production on this film as a full-length TV series, but executive meddling happened, and the end results, well... There's good reason why the Universal Century setting was relegated to OVAs after Victory and especially this. Character motivations make little to no sense, the characters themselves are bland, the pacing hits the perfect balance of "slow and monotonous" and "COMMENCE PREPARATION... FOR LUDICROUS SPEED!", the violence and body count in the movie is too ridiculous and over blown to take seriously and too mean-spirited and brutal to have fun with, there's plenty of action fluff that's just there to keep audiences glued, and the story itself is very poorly written and boasts some ridiculous shocking swerves and plot twists. It is really bad, tonally inconsistent and beyond ridiculous, but it's a damn fun time to riff if you're a bad movie fan.

However, what keeps F91 from reaching SEED Destiny and The Witch from Mercury levels of suckitude is that as you watch, you can't help but feel the things Tomino and co. got right here. The music, whilst forgettable, gives us a great theme song in Noriko Moriguchi's "ETERNAL WIND~ Hikaru Kaze no Naka", which plays as we see Frontier 4 under Crossbone Vanguard control and over the final scenes and end credits. The animation does a lot of heavy lifting to render the movie a 4/10 rather than a 2 or a 3/10, giving us some pretty solid fight scenes and setpieces. We also get ideas here that would be explored to their fullest potential in other entries in the main Mobile Suit Gundam franchise, such as the protagonist having to fight against his friend (Mobile Suit Gundam SEED), which here lasts thirty or so minutes before we get another shocking swerve as the narrative changes focus.
But what really stands out here are the mechanical designs: These are some of Okawara-san's* best work. The feddies are represented by basic Jegans who provide us with cannon fodder and a new variant, but the Crossbone Vanguard and F91 itself are really cool: The latter faction are, in the Universal Century, a band of space pirates who looted, pillaged and cobbled their way to become an Empire-like fighting force, and their suits demonstrate this, with a cobbled-together, almost steampunk, look. The F91 isn't a Gundam, being a prototype mobile suit that happens to have a mouth guard for its front vent that resembles Anaheim Electronics' RX Gundam series of MSs, and despite its smaller size than anything we've seen previously (a constant for the 1990s era of Gundam), it boasts some powerful armaments and flexible movement that more than prove it worthy of the moniker.

So ultimately, though I think this movie sucks, I don't regret the time I spent with it. The redeeming qualities do make it worth at least one watch, but it is a very baffling, confusing watch.
Apologies, I just had to type my thoughts somewhere as a way of therapy...

EDIT: Yes, I call the guy by that moniker. My respect for him as a pioneering mechanical designer cannot be understated.
 
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Eh it's fine

I feel it's a good and fun movie, but it's not one of my favorites from Tomino or Gundam. Got top tier animation, some good design work, It's just the story in what it is is pretty basic stuff. It did lead to Crossbone which I feel is really good and the F90 stuff does showcase some good stuff from okawara.

F91 I see a lot more love from people than those who don't like it, some even going so far to call it better than CCA, but I don't fall into either side and I don't think either side is truly right.

I do not think it's better than Seed Destiny. Seed Destiny has flaws, but it has a lot more going for than most I feel give credit for. A lot of it is salvaged in the special edition movies with many of it's best qualities shown.

I'd take both over G-wtich, as that was just a waste of time with 0 vision behind it.
 
Yeah, Gundam it's kind of a thing. I'm not saying everything is bad but it's a matter of taste, some like it, others don't.
 
Yeah, I recommend the two part novel which fleshes everything out better. At least this series spawned Crossbone afterwards as a sequel.
 
Eh it's fine

I feel it's a good and fun movie, but it's not one of my favorites from Tomino or Gundam. Got top tier animation, some good design work, It's just the story in what it is is pretty basic stuff. It did lead to Crossbone which I feel is really good and the F90 stuff does showcase some good stuff from okawara.

F91 I see a lot more love from people than those who don't like it, some even going so far to call it better than CCA, but I don't fall into either side and I don't think either side is truly right.

I do not think it's better than Seed Destiny. Seed Destiny has flaws, but it has a lot more going for than most I feel give credit for. A lot of it is salvaged in the special edition movies with many of it's best qualities shown.
I disagree with you on SEED Destiny (I love the first SEED, but I'm very, very aware of what went wrong with Destiny and will only watch the opening six-part "Break the World" arc if I do decide to look into it). However, F91 does definitely have a lot going for it, even though I feel its flaws outclass its positives, leading me to consider Char's Counterattack the better of Tomino's two Gundam flicks. Some people give CCA shit, but its more focused narrative and mostly satisfying conclusion to the storyline from the original show and Zeta (ZZ was its own thing despite initial plans alluded to in the first opening) definitely give it the edge when compared to its semi-successor.

To me, F91 and SEED Destiny are both wasted potential personified, but F91 feels more like a sad clown failing to entertain despite his best efforts whilst SEED Destiny, like Witch after it, feels like baiting your audience with the promise of something cool before kicking them all in the balls. They're both not what I'd consider "good", but I do prefer F91. Maybe because two hours is preferable to fifty twenty-two minute episodes to me? I don't know, man. I'm just a guy on the internet.

EDIT: And yes, the F90 prequel manga books do look pretty promising.
 
I disagree with you on SEED Destiny (I love the first SEED, but I'm very, very aware of what went wrong with Destiny and will only watch the opening six-part "Break the World" arc if I do decide to look into it). However, F91 does definitely have a lot going for it, even though I feel its flaws outclass its positives, leading me to consider Char's Counterattack the better of Tomino's two Gundam flicks. Some people give CCA shit, but its more focused narrative and mostly satisfying conclusion to the storyline from the original show and Zeta (ZZ was its own thing despite initial plans alluded to in the first opening) definitely give it the edge when compared to its semi-successor.

To me, F91 and SEED Destiny are both wasted potential personified, but F91 feels more like a sad clown failing to entertain despite his best efforts whilst SEED Destiny, like Witch after it, feels like baiting your audience with the promise of something cool before kicking them all in the balls. They're both not what I'd consider "good", but I do prefer F91. Maybe because two hours is preferable to fifty twenty-two minute episodes to me? I don't know, man. I'm just a guy on the internet.

A lot of Seed Destiny's Flaws I feel are remedied in Seed Freedom, It doesn't turn it magically into a masterpiece, it's still flawed in many ways but I have seen how Destiny can be salvaged in one way or another and I feel it has some of the best stuff in any gundam series, which I can't say for G-witch which feels like something trying to be as appealing to everyone as possible while having nothing to it.
 
A lot of Seed Destiny's Flaws I feel are remedied in Seed Freedom, It doesn't turn it magically into a masterpiece, it's still flawed in many ways but I have seen how Destiny can be salvaged in one way or another and I feel it has some of the best stuff in any gundam series, which I can't say for G-witch which feels like something trying to be as appealing to everyone as possible while having nothing to it.
Yeah. I agree on that point. I myself have seen the OVA companion series SEED CE 73: Stargazer, and I loved it, thinking it embodied the best qualities of the first SEED whilst adding a darker tone that's handled well and compensating for a lack of character development by being a two-man show between Sven and Selene. The Cosmic Era after the first Bloody Valentine war had a lot of potential.

Witch from Mercury on the other hand was a shameful, misguided, downright spiteful in-name-only yurifest, and it, coupled with the reason it was made (overrated shitmeister Ichiro Okouchi and Bamco execs thought Gundam was "an old man's show" and decided to sacrifice everything its known for to chase trends in an apocalyptically misguided attempt at modernising that which was timeless) and its toxic fandom (The Church of Suletta Mercury) and equally toxically positive reception from said fandom, anitubers and even breadtubers, was what wound up scaring me away from modern anime shows. Even if I wasn't turned off from modern anime by Witch and the shitshow surrounding it as it aired, I would still have zero interest in the Ad Stella, because whatever potential it had was ditched once the second episode/first TV episode aired.

Jesus Yamato almighty, even Mobile Fighter G Gundam felt more like Gundam than Witch, and that was the lighthearted super robot shonen series made to give viewers a breather after Victory!
 
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Yeah. I agree on that point. I myself have seen the OVA companion series SEED CE 73: Stargazer, and I loved it, thinking it embodied the best qualities of the first SEED whilst adding a darker tone that's handled well and compensating for a lack of character development by being a two-man show between Sven and Selene. The Cosmic Era after the first Bloody Valentine war had a lot of potential.

Witch from Mercury on the other hand was a shameful, misguided, downright spiteful in-name-only yurifest, and it, coupled with the reason it was made (overrated shitmeister Ichiro Okouchi and Bamco execs thought Gundam was "an old man's show" and decided to sacrifice everything its known for to chase trends in an apocalyptically misguided attempt at modernising that which was timeless) and its toxic fandom (The Church of Suletta Mercury) and equally toxically positive reception from said fandom, anitubers and even breadtubers, was what wound up scaring me away from modern anime shows. Even if I wasn't turned off from modern anime by Witch and the shitshow surrounding it as it aired, I would still have zero interest in the Ad Stella, because whatever potential it had was ditched once the second episode/first TV episode aired.

Jesus Yamato almighty, even Mobile Fighter G Gundam felt more like Gundam than Witch, and that was the lighthearted super robot shonen series made to give viewers a breather after Victory!


I mean Seed's pretty dark in general if you stop and think about some of the stuff involving in it, esp with the coordinators. I do feel the side story stuff with Stargazer and Astray do go a long way in fleshing out the cosmic, which has a lot of potential and was clearly set to be the next gundam timeline after UC but that just didn't happen. even though it clearly would do very well and Seed besides 00 have endured the most with people when it comes to the other gundam timelines.

I don't really feel that's what made G-witch a waste of time, but sure okay. The long and short of it is Bamco has 0 idea what to do with gundam and 99% of what they own and that's reflected in G-witch and Gquxx, which I didn't watch knowing it's a gundam show clearly not made by sunrise and also just not a fan of Khara in general.
 
While I don't think it was that bad, I will agree it was clearly mismanaged. Definitely would've worked better as a series like Tomino originally envisioned, after all he did intend for F91 to be the start of a new saga in the UC timeline after Char's story had come to an end in CCA (Although this was obviously before the timeline concept was established).

If you've never seen them; I'd recommend a lot of the "side-story" OVA's based on the UC timeline. Stuff like 0083, War in The Pocket, 08th MS Team etc. some of the best stuff you'll see from Gundam outside of Tomino's works IMO.
 
While I don't think it was that bad, I will agree it was clearly mismanaged. Definitely would've worked better as a series like Tomino originally envisioned, after all he did intend for F91 to be the start of a new saga in the UC timeline after Char's story had come to an end in CCA (Although this was obviously before the timeline concept was established).

If you've never seen them; I'd recommend a lot of the "side-story" OVA's based on the UC timeline. Stuff like 0083, War in The Pocket, 08th MS Team etc. some of the best stuff you'll see from Gundam outside of Tomino's works IMO.
0080 and 0083 I've already watched.
EDIT: No, really, I've watched a fair bit of the franchise both through unofficial means and home video, and I can't wait to add Zeta and Mobile Fighter G to my Blu-Ray collection, and am also holding out hope for Anime ltd to release 0080 and 08th MS Team over here in the UK.
 
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If it had the time and budget to be a proper series, I feel it would have been better. I still rate it much higher than Victory anyway, and the F91 is my favorite U.C MS.
 
Yeah? And did you find Iron Mask was the realest mother fucker?
kwdwHks.jpeg

Who crawls out of their MA in the vacuum of space, just to punch their own daughter in the face?

Carozzo Ronah, that's who.
 
Yeah? And did you find Iron Mask was the realest mother fucker?
kwdwHks.jpeg

Who crawls out of their MA in the vacuum of space, just to punch their own daughter in the face?

Carozzo Ronah, that's who.
Carozzo was a great villain, and like the mechs, I wish Bamco gave F91 the series treatment to do him justice, because as it is, he stands out as the best character in a sea of blandness.
 
The F91 isn't a Gundam, being a prototype mobile suit that happens to have a mouth guard for its front vent that resembles Anaheim Electronics' RX Gundam series of MSs
How? They very explicitly refer to it as a Gundam in the movie and its predecessor was also called a Gundam and didn't have a vent on its head.
 
How? They very explicitly refer to it as a Gundam in the movie and its predecessor was also called a Gundam and didn't have a vent on its head.
I looked it up and... Never mind. It is a Gundam-type mobile suit, ditto for the F90.
 
I kinda liked it but I still prefer Stardust Memories.
 
Do to how it's originally meant to be a show i don't hold the films flaws against it i feel it helps to view it less as a movie and more as a Gundam Experience the Crossbone Vanguard is a cool faction and the ammount of designs they are able to fit in such a short time frame meanwhile shows that got full episode orders having a sizeable shortage is pretty impressive. PS Victory Rules
 

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