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Message: [QUOTE="MasterEn, post: 293848, member: 3287"] yes, there is a lot to go over on this topic. maybe at some point a thread will pop up covering this. several of the games that you mentioned being "okay" or "average" do indeed fall far below that. but even good or competent games can objectively be considered bad as well; like pikmin 4. i love the pikmin series, but 4 has quite a few shortcomings and some bizarre decisions that stop it from being a fantastic game. [/QUOTE]

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