People who put their newest videos or livestreams on YouTube behind a paywall deserve to have their channels revoked.

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I'm sick of YouTube content creators charging for everything. I get that it's a job and it's better than most other options, but nothing is worse than wanting to watch a video or a livestream of a person you are subscribed to and not being able to because you aren't a paid member. I am not paying with my money to be a member of anything. There's too many channels i'm subscribed to. It's fucking ridiculous. On top of that people in their chats constantly give them large sums of cash for free. I'm talking hundreds of dollars sometimes. It's insane. They sure as hell don't need my money if they can just get it for free from psycho fans.

 

[UnDubious]

Youtube is always demonetizing people over nonsense when not outright banning them, it's a notoriously fickle platform that keeps their rules unclear on purpose, so creators have turned to other ways to make money. Sponsorships, Patreons, and now memberships and streams. I don't suscribe to any either. Most content is still free, just watch whatever you can without paying and use the rest of your time better. Most YT content is useless. I am also saying this to myself, I really have to quit clicking on random negative garbage that just make my days worse.

 

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Youtube is always demonetizing people over nonsense when not outright banning them, it's a notoriously fickle platform that keeps their rules unclear on purpose, so creators have turned to other ways to make money. Sponsorships, Patreons, and now memberships and streams. I don't suscribe to any either. Most content is still free, just watch whatever you can without paying and use the rest of your time better. Most YT content is useless. I am also saying this to myself, I really have to quit clicking on random negative garbage that just make my days worse.

which is what steered me towards more music related content instead. I often times have music in the background when i visit sites like this. ^_^

 

[Jayonnaise6105 Jayonnaise6105]

I'm sick of YouTube content creators charging for everything. I get that it's a job and it's better than most other options, but nothing is worse than wanting to watch a video or a livestream of a person you are subscribed to and not being able to because you aren't a paid member. I am not paying with my money to be a member of anything. There's too many channels i'm subscribed to. It's fucking ridiculous. On top of that people in their chats constantly give them large sums of cash for free. I'm talking hundreds of dollars sometimes. It's insane. They sure as hell don't need my money if they can just get it for free from psycho fans.

I see both sides of the argument. I'm not that bothered by paywalled content because it's usually stuff I don't care to watch, or can wait a bit to watch if need be.

What bugs me more is when sponsors are baked into the video. I'm glad to see some people doing well enough to get to that point, but my viewing of the video isn't going to come anywhere close to what they're getting through sponsorships. So I save my time for something else.

I stopped watching one channel in particular recently just because they were crudely shoehorning sponsors into what used to be their best segments. It's fine though, because they don't need my viewership and they don't owe me anything.

 

[Izzy]

I'm sick of YouTube content creators charging for everything. I get that it's a job and it's better than most other options, but nothing is worse than wanting to watch a video or a livestream of a person you are subscribed to and not being able to because you aren't a paid member. I am not paying with my money to be a member of anything. There's too many channels i'm subscribed to. It's fucking ridiculous. On top of that people in their chats constantly give them large sums of cash for free. I'm talking hundreds of dollars sometimes. It's insane. They sure as hell don't need my money if they can just get it for free from psycho fans.

Monetization has been a HUGE problem, probably bigger than copyright issues. It's probably a bigger sham than Twitch because they have one thing in common; you gotta jump through some hoops to get a paycheck and some of us users have been around for years. I'm one of those Let's Players who just gave up on wanting to get paid there and I've been on there for 15 years. And even if you're partnered, it sure as hell don't feel like anything special.

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

I'm sick of YouTube content creators charging for everything. I get that it's a job and it's better than most other options, but nothing is worse than wanting to watch a video or a livestream of a person you are subscribed to and not being able to because you aren't a paid member. I am not paying with my money to be a member of anything. There's too many channels i'm subscribed to. It's fucking ridiculous. On top of that people in their chats constantly give them large sums of cash for free. I'm talking hundreds of dollars sometimes. It's insane. They sure as hell don't need my money if they can just get it for free from psycho fans.

'Fuck you, give me my free shit! I totally deserve it because.... reasons..."

 

[Vexicrypt]

From what I've seen, usually youtubers make those paywalled videos available for free after couple days, maybe a week max, so I don't really see the issue in that. Yeah its stupid to me because we clearly see that the video is done but they just choose to do the "pay to watch early" thing like games do these days too, but whatever, if that makes them a bit extra money - I'm okay with that. The thing that I hate though is when there is a video I would really like to watch but they made it exclusive to Nebula (which is a video hosting platform owned by some big youtubers). I don't want to subscribe to some streaming service, I despise those, so I can't watch the video and that sucks. But you know, I can live without it. As for donations and the amount of money people make, I think its strange to count someone else's money. You don't know how much they need to sustain themselves and their families, people have different needs, you know. Also donations is an extremely inconsistant thing, one day you can get hundreds of dollarinos but then almost nothing for months straight, so people trying to make some stable income with subscriptions and bonus content is totally understandable.

 

[IyoTheHelpfulWolf]

I plan to keep my content free as I don't intend to make streaming my day job. Trusting my livelyhood to corrupt sponsors, algorithms, and the whims of the internet terrifies me. I actually encourage my audience to use third party clients and ad-blockers, and I'm currently adding interactive features to my Twitch channel that don't involve using Twitch points or Bits, allowing users to interact using any client they wish with simple commands like "!pet". That said, I don't blame anyone for monetizing their work, as this can be quite a money sink if you're passionate about it. My next planned upgrade is a used iPhone 11 for improved VTuber model tracking, which is over 100USD on it's own even with a cracked screen and a shit battery.

 

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'Fuck you, give me my free shit! I totally deserve it because.... reasons..."

nah man. YouTube used to be free. It was the You in YouTube.

 

[IyoTheHelpfulWolf]

nah man. YouTube used to be free. It was the You in YouTube.

That's true, but ambitions and production values have gone up since then and it's not cheap. There's a lot of slop on Youtube sure, but we're also seeing productions on Youtube that often rival paid television and animation in terms of polish and production. If you would have told me as a child that brand new cartoons like The Amazing Digital Circus with professional animation and voice acting would be legally free day fucking one, my brain would have exploded. Or that you can puppet an anime character model while people interact with your persona in real fucking time. And as much as we take this stuff for granted now, it ain't cheap to make, so it's understandable that creators want to recoup what they spent to make their passion a viable career or to reinvest more into their hobby without going into the red. It's important that monetization methods are as unobtrusive as reasonably possible, but some of what we get now wouldn't exist without it. And there are still lots of free, low budget creators on Youtube if that's what you like. They just aren't pushed by the algorithm unfortunately =_=

 

[VampireLord1024VampireLord1024's icon]

I've never wasted money on those YouTubers.

 

[ShadowsofCreationAga]

nah man. YouTube used to be free. It was the You in YouTube.

It is still free. You can post whatever you want without paying anything, which is incredibly generous given server cost, website maintenance, employees that need paid it goes on and on.

The 'You' in 'Youtube' was about YOU being able to UPLOAD videos of YOU. not about 'You' being able to VIEW whatever you want without consequence. If that were the case videos would've never been copyright struck... but that's a whole different thing.

Either way it still reeks of entitlement, "I used to get something free and I still deserve to get it free even though it costs the creator time and money to make it." The videos that were uploaded in the first year of youtube is nothing like the landscape now, so even that is a bad equivolance. You still can watch all those early flip phone recordings for free to your hearts content. They aren't scripted, edited, recorded on high budget equipment... again I could go on forever about the differences.

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That's true, but ambitions and production values have gone up since then and it's not cheap. There's a lot of slop on Youtube sure, but we're also seeing productions on Youtube that often rival paid television and animation in terms of polish and production. If you would have told me as a child that brand new cartoons like The Amazing Digital Circus with professional animation and voice acting would be legally free day fucking one, my brain would have exploded. Or that you can puppet an anime character model while people interact with your persona in real fucking time. And as much as we take this stuff for granted now, it ain't cheap to make, so it's understandable that creators want to recoup what they spent to make their passion a viable career or to reinvest more into their hobby without going into the red. It's important that monetization methods are as unobtrusive as reasonably possible, but some of what we get now wouldn't exist without it. And there are still lots of free, low budget creators on Youtube if that's what you like. They just aren't pushed by the algorithm unfortunately =_=

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