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Message: [QUOTE="Gorse, post: 28318, member: 73"] PART 2 (love you Karnik and Fake): Bad news: Pikuniku is based on the PSP game Locoroco, down to the bloody [I]title[/I]. (With added millennial politics writing, of course.) This is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about. Even Lovely Planet is clearly pulling from Katamari Damacy (I actually like that game, but it still counts) and World of Horror is straight-up meant to be an old Apple II point-and-click a la Uninvited or Deja Vu. Again, with some exception on that list, why would I celebrate these games? They haven’t achieved anything — they’ve just repeated what’s come before. They may even be better than the old games they’re copying — World of Horror almost definitely is — but they’re still unoriginal and, yes, tedious. Whether or not it’s doing more harm (the fact that we’re using that phrasing speaks for itself) is debatable, but think of what you wrote above — if innovation [I]is [/I]supposed to be coming from the indie space, shouldn’t we hold it to a far higher standard than AAA gaming? Shouldn’t we be [I]more[/I] strict and critical of it, not less? It’s like I said at the start: I think gamers are much, much too forgiving of these games, for all sorts of dumb reasons. Simply put: [B]I’m looking for unique, creative, original games that don’t rely on directly pulling from another game’s aesthetics or gameplay to be fun, entertaining experiences in their own right. [/B]To wit, here are five examples: 1. Grow (the flash game series) 2. WTF: Work Time Fun 3. What Did I Do to Deserve This, My Lord? 4. Tecmo’s Deception: Invitation to Darkness 5. Patapon You’ll note that every one of these games is at least 17 years old and that only one of them could be described as “indie”. I rest my case. Mate, the fact that you’re willing to respond to my post in good faith and not just petty, passive-aggressive snark shows how much of an angel you are. I’m harsh about this stuff because it truly and legitimately annoys me, but I wouldn’t be writing all this if I didn’t believe it, and I really appreciate all your thought and effort. ❤️ I know that a lot of my criticisms here are unfair or only valid to my tastes, but, hey… this is a hot takes thread! ? I’m 100% on the losing end of these arguments, because gamers [I]do [/I]like these modern indie games, clearly… BUT I DON’T Sonic does inspiration the right way — it uses its own unique aesthetics and gameplay to create an original game [I]in a genre[/I], not just copies what Mario did with a few token alterations. Sonic has undeniably its own visual style and mechanics that are completely distinct from Mario, and you don’t immediately think of the latter when you see a screenshot from the former. Sonic is a platformer — it isn’t a Mario clone. That’s my point — if we embrace unoriginality like so many indie developers do, Old Maid is what we’ll be playing… forever. I want to play newer, better card games, not [I]Gold Maiden: A Quirky Post-Modern Card RPG[/I] developed by Johnny Simpbrain for release on Steam. I won’t disagree (even though I kind of secretly do), but, again, I think we should hold indie games to a higher standard. I’m not willing to give either section of the industry a pass. I'm not actually arguing that most of these games are plagiarizing each other to a criminal degree (Undertale 100% is, but the Japanese don't care), but seriously – they re-use a [I]lot[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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