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Message: [QUOTE="Octopus, post: 358117, member: 4"] This escalated quickly. I don't like 343 as much as the next average Halo fan, but I don't really understand this refusal some people have to even entertain the idea of not blindly detesting 343, and these arguments are getting just a little weird because of it. Other people liking things you don't doesn't make them a shill or make them some oddly personal enemy, jesus. If you just blindly refuse to even consider another viewpoint on something, you're just forming a doomer circle which is never constructive. Halo 4 wasn't a bad game all things considered, I think the core story idea of Cortana essentially dying via rampancy was good and dare I say even well executed. It gave Chief some human element to him as he goes from what feels like denial over it in the beginning to finally acceptance of what is his best friend dying without ever dipping into melodrama or feeling out of character. Let's not talk about 5 completely undoing all of that Cortana ending by immediately bringing her back as evil for some reason, goddamn it 343, or the fact that whatever the hell the new faction 4 tried to introduce were pretty bland. See? There's good and bad. Anyway, I primarily just wanted to comment on this kind of famous quote from 343's Frank O'Connor mentioned here in that Reddit post linked a bit back ([URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/2vl26y/we_had_people_who_we_hired_who_hated_halo_because/);[/URL] "w[I]e had people who we hired who hated Halo because of 'X. But what that really meant was, 'I feel like this game could be awesome because of 'Y input' that I'm going to bring into it. I want to prove it, and I'm passionate about proving it.' So we ended up with a bunch of people who were genuinely passionate about the product. That is a huge advantage, and that helped in hiring and forming our team". [/I]I've seen it mentioned around a lot even before here in this thread as being some smoking gun that 343 was purposefully ruining the series through subversive hiring or something to that effect, but the way I read the quote I don't see that. Personal opinion obviously, I know. People oddly glaze over the '[I]ended up with a bunch of people who were genuinely passionate about the product' [/I]bit there for some reason, and just focus on O'Connor's specific wording with '[I]hated Halo'[/I] at the beginning. Having other viewpoints and constructive conflict in a group project is a positive I think, as it ends up strengthening the core once people begin collaborating (the point of a creative team) which is what I think he was clearly trying to say in it; internal engagement like this creates passion (when handled correctly of course), like he said. Considering this quote was specifically about Halo 4 which I feel most people can accept is the least offensive of the 343 era, and like someone else in here already said the vast majority of that staff only worked on Halo 4, then this quote gets extrapolated a little too much I think. [/QUOTE]

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