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Message: [QUOTE="tropicalavera, post: 30617, member: 143"] Also, I think it's a bit dubious to lump videogames in with traditional games - although this gets at one of the biggest problems with this entire debate, which is that nobody can agree on a definition for videogame (let alone [I]game [/I]or [I]play[/I]) OR art. There's also little incentive for those in the 'game ARE art' to get involved - we simply engage with videogames as art and nobody seems to mind? (frankly, I have always thought the burden of proof in this debate lies on the '*blank* is NOT art' crowd...) I think this is why the discussion is only had on weird cesspit gaming forums and not, for example, in serious game studies academia or games journalism. [/QUOTE]

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