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Message: [QUOTE="Zeo, post: 548170, member: 2142"] As stated many times about the whole whats canon and whats not: Not even Toriyama, Toei and Toyotaro are consistent about it... like at all Toriyama for the fandom IS still the word of god of DB, but the problem is that he sometimes say that something is canon even if another plot point retcon it I mean.... Daima, Super and end of Z are all canon yet one retcons the other for lots of reasons The big one is that Dragon Ball Super (canon) takes place after Buu saga but before the final episodes of Z (before Goku goes training with Uub). In all of this we need to add the years that Bulma said Goku didnt contact her and the possible plots after the tournament of power (Broly, Moro, etc) Then there is Daima (also canon and before super) that introduced two form (Vegeta SSJ3 and Goku SSJ4) that retcons the very start of Super where Goku said to Beerus that SSJ3 was his last form instead of what he wanted (SSJ God) and the episode where Vegeta gets angry at Beerus when he hits Bulma and goes SSJ2 "Rage".... and he was at "full power" Not to mention the reason Shin and Kibito fusion ended got changed in Daima Long story short, is not worth it to think too much of it since at the long run they will add more stuff that in no way could end with the final episodes of Z The only possible way to fix all of this is introduce an enemy that somehow makes Goku and Vegeta loose their God powers (permanent) and Beerus is forced to sleep for a long time again.... but the problem is Whis, Zeno sama and the angels... .... Is impossible that what Toriyama said makes sense at all other than "they just dont mention them at that moment and Goku didnt fight Uub at full power, so no God powers and just base form with some base SSJ at the end) [/QUOTE]

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