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Message: [QUOTE="CocaFeca, post: 548013, member: 40140"] I agree that the perception people have of db because of Z and all you said is valid (not to mention the overly long scenes that were just a few pages in the manga), with that said: 1: the manga all around has the same style of evolution in storytelling as the anime, it just doesn't feel 1:1 because stuff in the manga that was a few pages (or panels even) were stretched to 20 or so minutes, as iconic as those scenes are, goku turning into a super Saiyan or super saiyan 3 don't resemble the manga in anyway. with that said, if you read the thing you actually get to understand when i'm coming from, and it's not just the transformations, in general the story in manga flows well and it takes itself relatively seriously, even in the buu saga which a lot say is "back to the roots" when it's actually pretty serious and with a balanced tone, it's mostly the anime in this last regard where it feels like a tonal whiplash due to the sheer number of episodes, which wasn't fixed in kai, but even then i wouldn't call the buu saga mostly comedy in manga form, even then, it has good comedy, not just goku acting like an annoying child, because let's face it: it's different being a childish adult than directly act like a manchild, goku in og manga was the former while in super is the latter 2: both db and db have this problem, not just Z, the original show stretches 16 and ½ volumes worth of comic into a 153 episodes + the og show also had repeated animation loops and repetitive choreography, which is not present in the manga since they are just a few panels as said in point 1, it's just not only Z where this happens, also the original had lame filler too and wasn't accurate since episode 1 (pilaf and it's gang appear as secondary villains in vol. 2 and only reappear a few times up to the king piccolo saga, then they never appear again, they aren't even the main villains in the first arc) 3: honestly, people need to understand that the perceptionan an author can have on it's work might change with time and not always for the better, a relevant example (since toriyama actually wanted to watch phantom menace back in 1999) is george lucas, he literally went back and made a lot of changes in the story and the releases of the clasic films, people didn't vibe with him at that time but eventually came around when the new era started back in 2014. the perception an author can have on his work isn't always the right one to be honest, it was demonstrated with lucas since there where a few different sw projects aside from the movies that were wortwhile, like republic commandos or the 2003 show, this last one showing a different but really good vision of the sw universe. Lucas got it served, but since at toei and bandai they're so incompetent, they never made something better than the original manga, and i don't really believe toriyama was 100% with making dragon ball really all that childish and stupid, i know he was pressured by the editorial, that we all already know of, but there's also the possibility that he simply didn't care, it's sad to read, i know, but giving that his other works didn't pay off after dr. Slump and dragon ball, he might as well have needed the money, i don't want to give him a bad rep, but he just didn't seem happy when making dragon Ball (final dialogue in manga, may 1995) or in a few photos seen years after, not to mention that the man struggled with pets with health issues as mentioned in the first page of sandland, he just didn't enjoy what he made because of constant stress, as seen always: your creation/s become bigger than you [automerge]1783474265[/automerge] Ok, i give you that one, since back in the early to mid 2010s most people that weren't that into anime were too lazy or young to search for blu ray or dvd versions online or physical, instead opting to watch it on cable tv, but a question: if those same people watched super subtitled and got an authentic experience, why most people waited for buu-hen in 2017 instead of watching the "superior" japanese versions subtitled? I get it was still just redubbed dbz, but the whole "kai on tv is different than the one on blu ray" wasn't that well known aside from some forums or people commenting Yamamoto score in some videos, and as far as i know, the kai buu-hen might have actually been online before dbs [automerge]1783474988[/automerge] I'm not trying to be douchie or an elitist really, it's just that the perception of dragon ball as a story or media is one i disagree with a lot of folks, but it doesn't feel right to insult those who enjoy the newer stuff from db, it's just that after so much time is hard to not feel jaded when a franchise you once really liked is in a state you don't vibe with, it doesn't always has to be bad, there are times we're you just don't agree or feel like it, but in the case of dragon ball i can't ignore it honestly, there was even a time were i treated the franchise as a joke while super was airing outside japan, and i was at the time the perfect demographic, i didn't even watch tfc because of that. 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